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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 26, 2019 0:18:05 GMT
For any superheroes, but I’m putting it here because a pal asked me how I would write a Batman flick, and then I wrote it up because someone asked a similar question on Reddit. I’d love to hear your concepts, too; I’m always intrigued by plot-concepts, they ignite my imagination. I will finish my Batman story here eventually, hopefully by next Halloween. Suffice it to say that does not spoil this, or vice versa. That same pal, who’s more into comic-books than I, also came up with an idea for a Superman story that we plotted out for a bit (we agreed it’d be better for a comic than for a movie), which I can also write up here if anyone’s interested.
OK, Batman movie. It’s based on my argument, somewhere around here, that filmmakers should include Robin for the next Batman movie. No idea what the title should be. Thoughts, comments, criticisms, etc., more than welcome.
The requirements on that Reddit thread were that we needed two villains and at least one sidekick, which worked nicely with the story I was plotting anyway.
Time period: modern, closest to Nolan’s approach with a touch of Burton’s ’30s-’40s aesthetic.
Mood: mostly dark, though Robin brings—not obvious, campy humor like a Burt Ward (or Chris O’Donnell) Robin, but a gentle lightening of tone. By “dark,” I don’t mean something like MoS or BvS, or even TDK. Closer to Batman Begins, or The Empire Strikes Back.
Villains: The Riddler, as he hasn’t been in a movie since Batman Forever, which I can’t stand. Writer would have to do a lot of work on making the riddles actually clever. Riddler as Moriarty figure—absurdly intelligent, “a spider in the centre of its web, but that web has a thousand radiations.” Have to differentiate sharply from the Joker. Other villain is Hush. I’m not a fan of that story, but the premise is good. His identity is a genuine surprise, instead of the obvious culprit we get in the book: the Riddler is the obvious villain, Hush is in the shadows.
Mandatory sidekick: Robin (Dick Grayson), recently adopted by Bruce Wayne. Wayne determinatively does not want to get the kid into crimefighting, but Grayson eventually figures the Batman thing out. After the whole movie of Wayne trying to dissuade him, Grayson rescues Wayne from Hush at the end.
Optional sidekick: Selina Kyle, or Julie Madison, or Vicky Vale, or some girlfriend for Batman. The premise of the story is that he’s rediscovering his humanity because of this kid who reminds him of himself, so we want some happiness for the guy. I mean, it’s not going to work for them as a family, but then rationally it was never going to work for Han and Leia as a couple, either.
Plot outline:
Bruce Wayne, “Batman,” is alone and secluded in his mansion, not even talking to Alfred. He’s nearly going over the edge in his fight against crime, to the extent that Capt. Gordon is getting worried. After the Joker, new costumed villains are roaming the streets, which Wayne hadn’t expected and which the police aren’t ready for. New villain called the Riddler appears, taunting the police.
Soon bodies are found all over town, even when the Riddler is arrested and imprisoned. The Riddler reveals he has an agent, a hitman, working for him, and he chuckles because he says Batman et al. will never deduce the agent’s identity.
(Hitman is “Hush.”)
Batman’s old friend Dr. Thomas Elliot comes to town; Elliot’s story mirrors Wayne’s in a lot of ways. (Red herring for folks who have read the comic.) The new D.A. (second red herring) is putting the screws into Gordon to solve the case.
Two of the assassin’s first victims are the John and Mary Grayson. One mystery is, why would he kill them? Wayne empathizes with their son, Dick, because he was in much the same scenario, and adopts him.
Cue what I wrote before re: Robin.
Twist: “Hush” is both Riddler’s assassin and one of his own victims—someone high up in the Gotham social ladder. He turns the gun on himself towards the end but makes it look like a murder, just like all of his other murders—a twist on Christie’s A.B.C. Murders gimmick. The Riddler then commits the last murder, to make it look as if “Hush” is still alive. I admit that I haven’t yet figured out why the Graysons et al. were killed—if someone has some ideas, I’d love to hear them. (I don’t want to do a straight ripoff of The A.B.C. Murders’ main gimmick, especially as I’m borrowing but tweaking it for the Hush twist. Something based on Cat of Many Tails might work.) Have to work on Hush’s identity more.
At the end Robin and Batman’s girlfriend are threatened, and Bats has to find his humanity again, even if it’s at the risk of letting the criminal go (he later captures him). Happy ending—a “let’s go home, Debbie” kind of thing. (“Let’s go home, Robin”?) Not too different from Gotham by Gaslight (the movie), which I very much liked.
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Post by primeone on Mar 26, 2019 10:10:44 GMT
This does relate to the MoS prequel comic.
Man of Steel 2
Act 1
* Clark Kent and Lois Lane are happily married. They both still work at the Daily Planet and Clark is still Superman, still saving people which we get a little montage of.
* Superman puts the Fortress of Solitude back at the North Pole but in a more isolated location. As he is in the area, he sees a bunch of scientist doing research. He realizes they are working with Lex Luthor.
* Lex Luthor establishes Project Cadmus at a hidden location after finding a female under ice not too far from the original location of the Fortress of Solitude. He is also still hiding.
* He figures she’s a kryptonian and plans on making her into a super soldier and eventually clone her. He even makes a suit with House of El symbol on her.
* Lex Luthor has a new body guard named John Corben.
* Lex’s scientist team work on a Warsuit, the same suit General Zod wore during the Black Zero Event.
* Lois and Clark talk and they look into where Lex Luthor is hiding.
Act 2
* The female kryptonian wakes up and realizes she’s being held captive. Her powers go out of control but John Corben opens his chest to her, knocking her out. This reveals John is an android named Metallo. Lex did an experiment on him after he had an accident, saving his life. This means Lex Luthor was smart enough to keep some extra kryptonite hidden for backup.
* Superman and Lois learn the location of the Cadmus Lab which is somewhere underground in a foreign country and he heads there.
* Superman arrives and finds the female Kryptonian. He fights Metallo for a bit but then they escape.
* Metallo doesn’t open his chest but Superman feels a bit weakened. He breaks the female Kryptonian out and they head to the Kent Farm.
* It is revealed that her name is Kara Zor-El and figure Superman is related to her. She meets Lois and Martha. Kara and Clark talk about their history. She finds out that Krypton is destroyed. All four of them have a nice heartfelt dialogue scene. Clark shows her around Metropolis and stuff about Earth and people.
* Clark tries to teach Kara how to use her powers carefully. They get into a heated argument because her powers are too out of control. She has been in the yellow sun for centuries. She feels as if she’s being told what to do, they have a small fight and she flies off.
Act 3
* Kara finds the Fortress of Solitude, her former ship. She looks around and talks to the Jor-El A.I and comes to an understanding.
* While looking for Kara, Superman is intercepted by Lex Luthor. He is in his warsuit. He and Metallo both fight Superman.
* Superman is getting beat up and Kara comes in to help. So the fight is even.
* Metallo is killed but Lex Luthor escapes.
* In the end, Superman and Supergirl come to an understanding. He takes her to Themyscira and asks Wonder Woman if she can train her. Wonder Woman agrees.
MoS 3 in works
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 18:12:36 GMT
I had an idea for a superhero called "KA-POW!!!@!"
He's an adult superhero who screams the magic name of KA-POW!!!@!! to turn into a teenager with no powers. He then stays at home all day and watches cartoons.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 26, 2019 18:56:02 GMT
Wonder Woman 3 idea.
The malevolent beings Circe and Medusa unite to restore the Greek pantheon resurrecting the Children of Ares (Deimos, Phobos, and Eris) and Zeus’ monstrous son the First-Born. But they are scattered across the world to avoid their revival.
They first attack Paradise Island (don’t have time to misspell its proper name) and turn the Amazons into stone or wild animals. They present Diana with an ultimatum. Leave her home as it is in ruins or track down the hidden locations of each sibling and her people are returned to live enslaved to the new Gods.
Diana teams up with the archaeologist Carter Hall and her guide Mari McCabe ostensibly completing the villains’ mission. But she is secretly looking for a legendary cure-all device called the Purple Ray-yes it exists and is canon.
The ray currently resides in the African kingdom of Kor which is populated by Homo Magi and ruled by the shaman Doctor Mist. All the while, Diana intends to destroy the Children before their awakening.
Story Notes:
- The plot will jump between DC locales such as Byiala; Corto Maltese; and Qurac.
- DC villains such as Felix Faust and Shadow Thief would appear as minor henchmen and rival treasure hunters.
- Both Hawkman and Vixen would suit up. Their origins would be reserved for backstory. There will be a few hints of Thanagarian influences in human history.
- The tone and style would essentially be Raider of the Lost Ark meets Jason and the Argonauts.
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 27, 2019 18:54:11 GMT
Love all your ideas, everybody! By the way, the concepts don’t have to center on DC heroes; Marvel’s (or another company’s, or your own) are fine too. I just posted this thread here because mine was about Batman. primeone , would your premise tie into that Supergirl TV show? I’m more or less of the opinion that Supes should be the last Kryptonian (hm… Interesting title for a Supes story, The Last Kryptonian. Or too close to The Last Jedi—and The Last of the Mohicans?  ), but I really like bringing in Metallo. I love pretty much the whole concept, politicidal . Raiders meets Jason and the Argonauts… Who could ask for anything more? And, @forceghostackbar , how on earth can anyone beat KA-POW? THE GREATEST SUPERHERO OF ALL OF THEM JUST ABSOLUTELY AMAZING KA-POW!!!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for mine: if anyone’s interested, I think I’ve found a motive for the serial murders: The Riddler’s motive is to create a panic, clearly, by killing these seemingly randomly-chosen people—making it easier for him to loot the city, yes, but also just showcasing his ingenuity with this plan. He wants the world to know about it afterwards. “Hush,” on the other hand, is insane but has a motive—if a lunatic one. The order of the victims is chosen according to the nursery rhyme “ Hush, Little Baby”—for the Graysons, they’re the “mockingbird” of the lullaby because they were “flying.” (This ties into Robin’s being called “Robin” as well, of course.) |
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 27, 2019 22:06:17 GMT
My first comic-book script. I know, absolutely amazing. Now we just need someone to illustrate it.
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 28, 2019 18:32:40 GMT
I don’t mean to clutter up this thread with only my own ideas (I’d love to read more of your ideas, guys!), but here’s that aforementioned Superman story, which I recently fleshed out. More for a comic than for a movie in this case. Stridently uncanonical.
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Post by primeone on Mar 29, 2019 14:48:16 GMT
Love all your ideas, everybody! By the way, the concepts don’t have to center on DC heroes; Marvel’s (or another company’s, or your own) are fine too. I just posted this thread here because mine was about Batman. primeone , would your premise tie into that Supergirl TV show? I’m more or less of the opinion that Supes should be the last Kryptonian (hm… Interesting title for a Supes story, The Last Kryptonian. Or too close to The Last Jedi—and The Last of the Mohicans? ), but I really like bringing in Metallo. I love pretty much the whole concept, politicidal . Raiders meets Jason and the Argonauts… Who could ask for anything more? And, @forceghostackbar , how on earth can anyone beat KA-POW? THE GREATEST SUPERHERO OF ALL OF THEM JUST ABSOLUTELY AMAZING KA-POW!!!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for mine: if anyone’s interested, I think I’ve found a motive for the serial murders: The Riddler’s motive is to create a panic, clearly, by killing these seemingly randomly-chosen people—making it easier for him to loot the city, yes, but also just showcasing his ingenuity with this plan. He wants the world to know about it afterwards. “Hush,” on the other hand, is insane but has a motive—if a lunatic one. The order of the victims is chosen according to the nursery rhyme “ Hush, Little Baby”—for the Graysons, they’re the “mockingbird” of the lullaby because they were “flying.” (This ties into Robin’s being called “Robin” as well, of course.) No, this would be a whole different Supergirl only related to the DCEU. It’s related to the prequel MoS comic.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Mar 31, 2019 4:01:45 GMT
I posted this on a different board months ago, but here's a (slightly edited) mediocre idea for a Batman movie...
To be clear, the Shining-esque ending I no longer really want. It could work if it's done for character purposes, but it would probably just end up being a cheap twist at the end. I left it in there, though.
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 31, 2019 4:23:53 GMT
What an interesting plot, sdrew13163. Thanks for sharing it. It’s definitely not a typical Batman plot, but that’s exactly what I like about it. It’d be a complete punch in the gut. Despite my own concept above, I think it makes much more sense when Batman works alone, but here you’ve worked in the “family” adeptly. I was wondering if Bruce Wayne should die as well and Dick Grayson should take over? (Robin makes more sense if Wayne is grooming him as a replacement—but of course the comics are never going to kill Wayne off permanently.) But then that’d mess up the scene at the end. I’d just like to make sure I’ve got the “ Shining-esque ending” right. Todd was the Joker? Or is he going to be a new Joker? (There was a comic or a movie like this, right?) Anyway, love the concept.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Mar 31, 2019 6:11:48 GMT
What an interesting plot, sdrew13163. Thanks for sharing it. It’s definitely not a typical Batman plot, but that’s exactly what I like about it. It’d be a complete punch in the gut. Despite my own concept above, I think it makes much more sense when Batman works alone, but here you’ve worked in the “family” adeptly. I was wondering if Bruce Wayne should die as well and Dick Grayson should take over? (Robin makes more sense if Wayne is grooming him as a replacement—but of course the comics are never going to kill Wayne off permanently.) But then that’d mess up the scene at the end. I’d just like to make sure I’ve got the “ Shining-esque ending” right. Todd was the Joker? Or is he going to be a new Joker? (There was a comic or a movie like this, right?) Anyway, love the concept. Thanks! Yeah, I forgot to mention that it was a prequel to the Suicide Squad/BvS era. So Bruce lives and it would lead to Jason becoming the Joker for his appearance in Suicide Squad some time afterwards. I also wanted to give a justification of sorts for why Batman goes on killing rampages in BvS. I figured showing him lose his cool on the Joker and then seeing Jason turn on him would be adequate. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 1:29:54 GMT
My first comic-book script. I know, absolutely amazing. Now we just need someone to illustrate it. BRILLIANT!!!!!@!!
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Post by politicidal on Apr 1, 2019 19:49:27 GMT
Something about a superhero prison break movie always intrigued me. David Goyer had a Green Arrow film like that planned.
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Post by primeone on Apr 5, 2019 0:40:36 GMT
One thing I want to say is, I can see Joker being the cause of a lot of things throughout the DCEU
- Joker killed Jason Todd
- Joker shot Barbara Gordon
- Joker stole the motherboxes and brought back the parademons for a second invasion (JL2)
- Joker kills Alfred
- Joker causes the death of Lois Lane which turns Superman evil and triggers the Anti-Life Equation, which is why Superman blames Batman for Lois’s death. (In a future JL sequel)
Mind you he doesn’t have to be the main villain in any of them. Maybe one. This is the kind of Joker I would like WB to use throughout the DCEU. He just wants chaos. Let the fans see that.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 5, 2019 1:27:49 GMT
I've been thinking about it and came to consider a decent replacement for Superman would be Captain Atom (the Nathanial Adam version). He's on par with Superman in terms of strength, and he's got his tragic backstory and history of conflicting loyalties that would make an interesting political thriller a la Captain America: Winter Soldier, and the sheer number of powers at his disposal would make for killer action scenes.
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 8, 2019 4:01:21 GMT
OK, so this is only tangentially related to superheroes, and not at all to DC or Marvel heroes, but ever since I went to Yellowstone I’ve had the idea for a Lone Ranger-esque character called the Huckleberry Kid.
(Huckleberry, just so you know, is ubiquitous at Yellowstone [and Glacier] National Park: it’s in such assorted foodstuffs as pancake syrup and ice cream, in tchotchkes like pillows, etc.)
The concept was for the son of escaped slaves who was born near a huckleberry bush (thus the name). His mother died in childbirth, and he was raised by bears, Mowgli-like, in the woods. His sidekick is a straight-laced U.S. marshal who dislikes his vigilantism but is tasked by President Grant with overseeing his activities. The premise is intentionally ridiculous, and the plots are as ’60s surreal as The Avengers or The Wild Wild West, but the Huckleberry Kid takes himself seriously and fights a genuine fight against wickedness and racism in the Old West.
Terribly dumb concept, yes, but I was kinda fond of it.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 3, 2019 23:17:04 GMT
Anyone know the nursery rhyme “ Cock Robin”? I keep having this idea that it’d be interesting to work a Batman mystery plot around it, because of Robin, but the problem is that it’s about Cock Robin’s death, and, well, you can’t kill off Robin. (OK, they did kill off that one Robin…but I was thinking of this as an alternative to the plot I mentioned above, Dick Grayson’s first adventure.)So I thought of a crazy killer sending Robin all these notes as a warning, but then how do you fit in all the other verses?I like this because I think it fits in better with its being Robin’s story (Dickens again—Pip comes to mind more than anyone else), but I can’t for the life of me figure out how to make the poem work to structure the mystery around. Anyone else like the concept or have some idea how to make it work? Not very important, I know, but it’s fun. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 13, 2019 12:17:07 GMT
Bump?
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 13, 2019 13:12:07 GMT
Wonder Woman 3 idea. The malevolent beings Circe and Medusa unite to restore the Greek pantheon resurrecting the Children of Ares (Deimos, Phobos, and Eris) and Zeus’ monstrous son the First-Born. But they are scattered across the world to avoid their revival. They first attack Paradise Island (don’t have time to misspell its proper name) and turn the Amazons into stone or wild animals. They present Diana with an ultimatum. Leave her home as it is in ruins or track down the hidden locations of each sibling and her people are returned to live enslaved to the new Gods. Diana teams up with the archaeologist Carter Hall and her guide Mari McCabe ostensibly completing the villains’ mission. But she is secretly looking for a legendary cure-all device called the Purple Ray-yes it exists and is canon. The ray currently resides in the African kingdom of Kor which is populated by Homo Magi and ruled by the shaman Doctor Mist. All the while, Diana intends to destroy the Children before their awakening. Story Notes: - The plot will jump between DC locales such as Byiala; Corto Maltese; and Qurac. - DC villains such as Felix Faust and Shadow Thief would appear as minor henchmen and rival treasure hunters. - Both Hawkman and Vixen would suit up. Their origins would be reserved for backstory. There will be a few hints of Thanagarian influences in human history. - The tone and style would essentially be Raider of the Lost Ark meets Jason and the Argonauts. I know I’ve written this before, but I really love this concept, politicidal. I meant to ask, do you know any other really good WW villains? (I seem to remember asking this before too.) Unlike Spidey’s or Bats’ rogue galleries, or even Superman’s (less so), I can’t think of any classic WW villains. I’d never heard of “The First Born,” I like it and how it ties into the actual mythology. Is Faust a WW villain in the comics?—he was in that Justice League episode where he resurrects Hades.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 13, 2019 14:31:31 GMT
Wonder Woman 3 idea. The malevolent beings Circe and Medusa unite to restore the Greek pantheon resurrecting the Children of Ares (Deimos, Phobos, and Eris) and Zeus’ monstrous son the First-Born. But they are scattered across the world to avoid their revival. They first attack Paradise Island (don’t have time to misspell its proper name) and turn the Amazons into stone or wild animals. They present Diana with an ultimatum. Leave her home as it is in ruins or track down the hidden locations of each sibling and her people are returned to live enslaved to the new Gods. Diana teams up with the archaeologist Carter Hall and her guide Mari McCabe ostensibly completing the villains’ mission. But she is secretly looking for a legendary cure-all device called the Purple Ray-yes it exists and is canon. The ray currently resides in the African kingdom of Kor which is populated by Homo Magi and ruled by the shaman Doctor Mist. All the while, Diana intends to destroy the Children before their awakening. Story Notes: - The plot will jump between DC locales such as Byiala; Corto Maltese; and Qurac. - DC villains such as Felix Faust and Shadow Thief would appear as minor henchmen and rival treasure hunters. - Both Hawkman and Vixen would suit up. Their origins would be reserved for backstory. There will be a few hints of Thanagarian influences in human history. - The tone and style would essentially be Raider of the Lost Ark meets Jason and the Argonauts. I know I’ve written this before, but I really love this concept, politicidal. I meant to ask, do you know any other really good WW villains? (I seem to remember asking this before too.) Unlike Spidey’s or Bats’ rogue galleries, or even Superman’s (less so), I can’t think of any classic WW villains. I’d never heard of “The First Born,” I like it and how it ties into the actual mythology. Is Faust a WW villain in the comics?—he was in that Justice League episode where he resurrects Hades. Much obliged. Yeah, WW's villain roster is sketchy. Like there's some interesting characters from a design standpoint but they're simply not as memorable as Batman or Superman;though I think Aquaman has even less noteworthy foes aside from Black Manta and Ocean Master. As for notoriety, Cheetah (who is set to appear in WW: 1984 next year) is actually her arch-nemesis alongside Ares (who's no longer an option at this point). Plus there are other DC villains that threaten the Justice League as a whole who have sometimes been the focus of her attention like Maxwell Lord (who is widely rumored to be played by Pedro Pascal in WW:1984), Queen of Fables; and the aforementioned Felix Faust. His JL debut is exactly what I had in mind;I'd keep him alive for reappearances though. Oh and I forgot! Giganta, she's fought Wonder Woman a few times. But she might look very silly and campy onscreen unless they made her size transformation genuinely intimidating, like body horror or something. There's also Doctor Psycho who's basically a dwarf hypnotist that is grossly misogynistic.
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), but I really like bringing in Metallo. 