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Post by bud47 on Apr 3, 2019 14:19:44 GMT
Maybe it is a slightly dumbed down popcorn flick (nothing wrong with that if it's still entertaining). At least it owns it and embraces it. I would take that over yet another Fox-Men film made for the sole purpose of apologizing and making up for a past film's mistakes. Pretty embarrassing. How much longer were they going to keep atoning for X3 and Origins Wolverine? Really, I hope Dark Phoenix works out for you. You'll have at least one more film to add to your pile to re-watch and keep you comforted now that they're officially done. No it is a dumbed down popcorn flick, theres no doubt about it. Stop making excuses as if dumbed down popcorn flicks should be proud of themselves and embrace it, its lazy and ruins the genre, if it hasnt ruined it already.
One more X-men film by a director who aint even that good to showup a cheesy MCU filler lmao, your lucky Bryan Singer or Matthew Vaughn didnt come back
OK there Mr. Dramatic. I didn't say it wasn't. It is a popcorn film. What's wrong with that and why shouldn't they be proud of it? It's ok for a movie to just be dumb entertainment and Captain Marvel even had a little heart. People and fans enjoyed it and they want to be entertained, which is what the film does. The studio and the filmmakers stand by it and are not apologizing for anything in it. Can Fox say the same for their products? I know popcorn movies offend you, but not everything needs to be dark and serious to meet your extremely high standards. And if Venom and Aquaman couldn't hurt the genre, nothing can at this point. I'd say we're all lucky Bryan Singer didn't come back. I would have welcomed Vaughn, but he would never come back. He's too wrapped in James Bond wannabe-spy movies. All I can say is enjoy Dark Phoenix. It's all you're getting. Did you check out the new Joker trailer? That seems right up your alley.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 3, 2019 14:42:22 GMT
It does look worse than Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel wasn't even bad. It really doesnt, unless you are judging these movies only on hype for endgame or just introducing another character to the MCU for the sake of it. Or your a brie larson stan.
Can only judge when both movies have come out in their entirety, but Dark Phoniex at least in the trailers looks superior to Captain Marvel from visuals alone. The cinematography isnt cartoony like Captain Marvel is. The colour grading is more balanced than the light, blandness of Captain Marvel. The score will be done by Hanz Zimmer which will be better than the Captain Marvel one, which I cant even remember now. The Wonder Con footage reaction to the opening space shuttle sequence has gained positive responses. And Sophie Turner shows range in her acting, unlike monotoned, monoexpression Brie Larson. The only way Dark Phoenix fails is if the story is poor and they retread old plot points, which is hinted at in the trailers but it could be a misdirection.
Oh, I'm far from a Brie Larson stan. I think she's a good actress, and her performance in Captain Marvel wasn't bad. It may have been wooden, but that's because she's portraying an emotionless Kree human hybrid whose memory has been wiped out. When reality hits her, she starts to show more emotion than she did in the beginning. As for Dark Phoenix, it looks bad because it looks like they're reatreading old plot points. I don't believe its trailer misinterpretation, I think it's just a remake of The Last Stand. Plus hiring a first time director to direct a big movie such as X-Men doesn't help. Not to mention it fucks up the continuity timeline, what little they have left. I understand they want to retell X-Men's greatest story, but The Last Stand is still fresh on our minds, and that came out almost 13 years ago. |
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Post by charzhino on Apr 3, 2019 14:46:39 GMT
It is a popcorn film. What's wrong with that and why shouldn't they be proud of it? It's ok for a movie to just be dumb entertainment and Captain Marvel even had a little heart. People and fans enjoyed it and they want to be entertained, which is what the film does. The studio and the filmmakers stand by it and are not apologizing for anything in it. Can Fox say the same for their products? I know popcorn movies offend you, but not everything needs to be dark and serious to meet your extremely high standards. And if Venom and Aquaman couldn't hurt the genre, nothing can at this point. I'd say we're all lucky Bryan Singer didn't come back. I would have welcomed Vaughn, but he would never come back. He's too wrapped in James Bond wannabe-spy movies. All I can say is enjoy Dark Phoenix. It's all you're getting. Did you check out the new Joker trailer? That seems right up your alley. They are hurting the genre as Admiral ackbar stated in his thread recently about how its dangerous to overpraise these medicore movies because more like it will get made. Look at the last few years, Venom, Captain marvel, apocalypse, Ragnarok, guardians 2, Aquaman, antman 2, Shazam all hollow formulaic movies. Only IW and to an extent black panther can come out of it with some dignity. And as the dumber the CBMs get the more money they make, hmm i see a pattern developing. They water it down to appeal to brainded casual fans and chinese audiences obviosly. The genre is a mockery now and will be dead by the time MCU xmen roll out No i didnt see joker trailer il have a look now. |
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Post by bud47 on Apr 3, 2019 15:20:55 GMT
It is a popcorn film. What's wrong with that and why shouldn't they be proud of it? It's ok for a movie to just be dumb entertainment and Captain Marvel even had a little heart. People and fans enjoyed it and they want to be entertained, which is what the film does. The studio and the filmmakers stand by it and are not apologizing for anything in it. Can Fox say the same for their products? I know popcorn movies offend you, but not everything needs to be dark and serious to meet your extremely high standards. And if Venom and Aquaman couldn't hurt the genre, nothing can at this point. I'd say we're all lucky Bryan Singer didn't come back. I would have welcomed Vaughn, but he would never come back. He's too wrapped in James Bond wannabe-spy movies. All I can say is enjoy Dark Phoenix. It's all you're getting. Did you check out the new Joker trailer? That seems right up your alley. They are hurting the genre as Admiral ackbar stated in his thread recently about how its dangerous to overpraise these medicore movies because more like it will get made. Look at the last few years, Venom, Captain marvel, apocalypse, Ragnarok, guardians 2, Aquaman, antman 2, Shazam all hollow formulaic movies. Only IW and to an extent black panther can come out of it with some dignity. And as the dumber the CBMs get the more money they make, hmm i see a pattern developing. They water it down to appeal to brainded casual fans and chinese audiences obviosly. The genre is a mockery now and will be dead by the time MCU xmen roll out No i didnt see joker trailer il have a look now. You sound more and more like summers8 with your talk of the genre being a mockery, in danger and dead. No wonder you got on so well with him. Braindead casual fans? Looking down on people much, are we? Here's your problem. You take this genre and these films way too seriously. You always have and always will. For you, they all need to be like the Dark Knight, DOFP, Logan, etc., which is apparently all that you want. That's fine and all, but don't knock people that don't have those same high standards. There's nothing wrong with simple, straightforward entertainment. Get off your high horse. The genre may slow down now that it has peaked with Endgame, but it's not anywhere close to being in danger. The MCU has seen to that. Next year may be slower, but things will pick up again once the MCU X-Men and Fantastic Four get rolling. Now you can do one of two things. Stop watching these films or keep watching them and complaining. I bet I know which one you're going to choose.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 3, 2019 15:43:29 GMT
It really doesnt, unless you are judging these movies only on hype for endgame or just introducing another character to the MCU for the sake of it. Or your a brie larson stan.
Can only judge when both movies have come out in their entirety, but Dark Phoniex at least in the trailers looks superior to Captain Marvel from visuals alone. The cinematography isnt cartoony like Captain Marvel is. The colour grading is more balanced than the light, blandness of Captain Marvel. The score will be done by Hanz Zimmer which will be better than the Captain Marvel one, which I cant even remember now. The Wonder Con footage reaction to the opening space shuttle sequence has gained positive responses. And Sophie Turner shows range in her acting, unlike monotoned, monoexpression Brie Larson. The only way Dark Phoenix fails is if the story is poor and they retread old plot points, which is hinted at in the trailers but it could be a misdirection.
Oh, I'm far from a Brie Larson stan. I think she's a good actress, and her performance in Captain Marvel wasn't bad. It may have been wooden, but that's because she's portraying an emotionless Kree human hybrid whose memory has been wiped out. When reality hits her, she starts to show more emotion than she did in the beginning. As for Dark Phoenix, it looks bad because it looks like they're reatreading old plot points. I don't believe its trailer misinterpretation, I think it's just a remake of The Last Stand. Plus hiring a first time director to direct a big movie such as X-Men doesn't help. Not to mention it fucks up the continuity timeline, what little they have left. I understand they want to retell X-Men's greatest story, but The Last Stand is still fresh on our minds, and that came out almost 13 years ago. I don’t think the Last Stand is as fresh in your mind as you think. It wasn’t based on Dark Phoenix but the Gifted storyline, it wasn’t even about Jean. The Nostalgia Critic recently made a review on The Last Stand and the vast majority of his commentary on the plot was about the storylines dealing with the Cure and makes very little mention of Jean’s storyline because there is not much to talk about. At 15:25 he talks about how the film doesn’t explore Jean’s background at all. At 20:26 he talks about how the movie doesn’t even try to develop Jean and just has her make a blank face for the vast majority of the film doing nothing. So I’m curious how this movie can be a retread of The Last Stand when Jean was a background character in that film. She is given more to do in the Dark Phoenix trailers than in the entirety of The Last Stand.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 3, 2019 17:36:45 GMT
Braindead casual fans? Looking down on people much, are we? Here's your problem. You take this genre and these films way too seriously. You always have and always will. For you, they all need to be like the Dark Knight, DOFP, Logan, etc., which is apparently all that you want. That's fine and all, but don't knock people that don't have those same high standards. There's nothing wrong with simple, Braindead casuals i.e the general audience only care about explosions and jokes. If they want that go to fast n furious or Jurassic world. Look at how star wars fan react so negatively to Disney star wars because Disney turned it into just that- a generic hollow blockbuster with thin storytelling and characteristion. Star wars used to be like comic book movies from the golden era of 2002-2014, compelling and taken seriously. Now they are seen as a joke, a product where you go in for 2 hours and turn your brain off to see comedy and quips nonstop followed by a big cgi fight at the end with no depth. Aquaman, Antman 2, Shazam, captain marvel, Ragnarok, GOTg2 all prove my point. You will see im right when Xmen disney is turned into a joke along with other Fox IP. sorry, thats not what comics intended Ye right. Hopefuly Kinberg is right and new mutants does come out in theatres to show what real genre innovation is. |
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Post by charzhino on Apr 3, 2019 17:42:44 GMT
Oh, I'm far from a Brie Larson stan. I think she's a good actress, and her performance in Captain Marvel wasn't bad. It may have been wooden, but that's because she's portraying an emotionless Kree human hybrid whose memory has been wiped out. When reality hits her, she starts to show more emotion than she did in the beginning. As for Dark Phoenix, it looks bad because it looks like they're reatreading old plot points. I don't believe its trailer misinterpretation, I think it's just a remake of The Last Stand. Plus hiring a first time director to direct a big movie such as X-Men doesn't help. Not to mention it fucks up the continuity timeline, what little they have left. I understand they want to retell X-Men's greatest story, but The Last Stand is still fresh on our minds, and that came out almost 13 years ago. Wen i said "looks better" I was mainly talking about the visuals and effects. Can't comment on the story as havent seen it but I dont believe these negative scoopers who keep spreading leaks of it being terrible, especially when some of the leaks are contradictory. There are so called neutral bloggers and journalists who want to see the movie fail no matter what because they are Disney cucks (like Jeremy Conrad) and just hate anything non-MCU. Well atleast wondercon footage went over well. But i agree witg you kinberg is a 1st time director who shouldnt have got the nod straight away to direct a massive project movie like Xmen. |
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Post by bud47 on Apr 3, 2019 17:47:55 GMT
Braindead casual fans? Looking down on people much, are we? Here's your problem. You take this genre and these films way too seriously. You always have and always will. For you, they all need to be like the Dark Knight, DOFP, Logan, etc., which is apparently all that you want. That's fine and all, but don't knock people that don't have those same high standards. There's nothing wrong with simple, Braindead casuals i.e the general audience only care about explosions and jokes. If they want that go to fast n furious or Jurassic world. Look at how star wars fan react so negatively to Disney star wars because Disney turned it into just that- a generic hollow blockbuster with thin storytelling and characteristion. Star wars used to be like comic book movies from the golden era of 2002-2014, compelling and taken seriously. Now they are seen as a joke, a product where you go in for 2 hours and turn your brain off to see comedy and quips nonstop followed by a big cgi fight at the end with no depth. Aquaman, Antman 2, Shazam, captain marvel, Ragnarok, GOTg2 all prove my point. You will see im right when Xmen disney is turned into a joke along with other Fox IP. sorry, thats not what comics intended Ye right. Hopefuly Kinberg is right and new mutants does come out in theatres to show what real genre innovation is. OK, now I'm starting to think summers8 hijacked your account. You definitely take these films way too seriously. Lighten up.
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Post by blockbusted on Apr 6, 2019 18:21:08 GMT
Braindead casual fans? Looking down on people much, are we? Here's your problem. You take this genre and these films way too seriously. You always have and always will. For you, they all need to be like the Dark Knight, DOFP, Logan, etc., which is apparently all that you want. That's fine and all, but don't knock people that don't have those same high standards. There's nothing wrong with simple, Braindead casuals i.e the general audience only care about explosions and jokes. If they want that go to fast n furious or Jurassic world. Look at how star wars fan react so negatively to Disney star wars because Disney turned it into just that- a generic hollow blockbuster with thin storytelling and characteristion. Star wars used to be like comic book movies from the golden era of 2002-2014, compelling and taken seriously. Now they are seen as a joke, a product where you go in for 2 hours and turn your brain off to see comedy and quips nonstop followed by a big cgi fight at the end with no depth. Aquaman, Antman 2, Shazam, captain marvel, Ragnarok, GOTg2 all prove my point. You will see im right when Xmen disney is turned into a joke along with other Fox IP. sorry, thats not what comics intended Ye right. Hopefuly Kinberg is right and new mutants does come out in theatres to show what real genre innovation is. 2002 to 2014 is a golden age of comic book films? Then what do THESE look like to you?: -Daredwvil -Blade: Trinity -The Punisher -Elektra -Catwoman -Fantastic Four -X-Men: The Last Stand -Ghost Rider -Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer -Punisher: War Zone -X-Men Origins: Wolverine -Jonah Hex -Green Lantern -Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance |
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Post by charzhino on Apr 6, 2019 23:42:35 GMT
2002 to 2014 is a golden age of comic book films? Then what do THESE look like to you?: -Daredwvil -Blade: Trinity -The Punisher -Elektra -Catwoman -Fantastic Four -X-Men: The Last Stand -Ghost Rider -Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer -Punisher: War Zone -X-Men Origins: Wolverine -Jonah Hex -Green Lantern -Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance The Dark Knight alone carries all those films you listed single handedly. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 20, 2019 3:37:46 GMT
2002 to 2014 is a golden age of comic book films? Then what do THESE look like to you?: -Daredwvil -Blade: Trinity -The Punisher -Elektra -Catwoman -Fantastic Four -X-Men: The Last Stand -Ghost Rider -Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer -Punisher: War Zone -X-Men Origins: Wolverine -Jonah Hex -Green Lantern -Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance The Dark Knight alone carries all those films you listed single handedly. The Dark Knight came out in 2002 and then remastered in 2014 and I missed it?
The funny thing about you saying that "brain dead casuals" go into these movies and only care about explosions and jokes is that they actually follow and care about the characters that have been appearing in these movies. Can you say the same for the characters in the X-men movies besides Logan? What about the DC characters? People would probably get upset if they recast Diana.
Also, can we start shortening Dark Phoenix to XDP? Everytime I see DP I get excited for Deadpool news.
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Post by blockbusted on Jun 29, 2019 2:35:59 GMT
And charzhino’s claims have aged like milk as ‘Dark Phoenix’ turned out to be worse than every single MCU films, every single ‘Star Wars’ films, every single ‘Jurassic Park’ films, and even every single ‘Fast & Furious’ films.  |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 29, 2019 4:22:51 GMT
And charzhino’s claims have aged like milk as ‘Dark Phoenix’ turned out to be worse than every single MCU films, every single ‘Star Wars’ films, every single ‘Jurassic Park’ films, and even every single ‘Fast & Furious’ films. Not saying that the movie is good, but I have a feeling you haven’t even seen it.
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Post by blockbusted on Jun 29, 2019 4:38:26 GMT
And charzhino’s claims have aged like milk as ‘Dark Phoenix’ turned out to be worse than every single MCU films, every single ‘Star Wars’ films, every single ‘Jurassic Park’ films, and even every single ‘Fast & Furious’ films. Not saying that the movie is good, but I have a feeling you haven’t even seen it. I actually have, and I honestly thought it was even worse than ‘Jurassic Park 3’ - and that’s saying something.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 23, 2019 20:17:53 GMT
Not saying that the movie is good, but I have a feeling you haven’t even seen it. I actually have, and I honestly thought it was even worse than ‘Jurassic Park 3’ - and that’s saying something. What makes you hate it so much?
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 24, 2019 17:27:18 GMT
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 8, 2019 9:55:08 GMT
Also: Is charzhino trying to convince us that Star Wars prequels were taken seriously like comic book films of 2002-2014?! |
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