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Post by Skaathar on Apr 3, 2019 22:34:19 GMT
My plan was to binge watch all the previous MCU movies in preparation for Endgame. I just finished phase 1 and I realized that I need to reevaluate my opinions on some of these movies. Some of my memories of the older movies are now tainted by nostalgia. Some of them I remember more fondly because they came out in a time when there were very few MCU movies.
Already there's a whole bunch of things I'm realizing like:
1. The Incredible Hulk actually had the best romantic plot in any MCU movie I recall.
2. The first Thor and Captain America movies had really crappy fight scenes. Thor's fights were creative but ruined with too much cuts and weird angles, and CATFA's fights were just completely unimaginative.
3. Of all the phase 1 movies, IM2 actually had the best fight scenes. Yet I still find IM2 the most boring of the lot. RDJ talks waaaayyyy too much in IM2.
4. IM1 wasn't as good as I remembered it to be. I remember watching it the first time and was blown away by it, now it just feels like an average MCU flick. I mean, it's still a good movie, but not good enough to elevate it from majority of the (also good) MCU movies.
5. Thor1 had some serious pacing and tonal issues.
6. Cap's costume in Avengers really sucked. Also, Cap was not given a lot of respect in that movie.
7. I think Avengers is still the funniest MCU movie. Not because they have the most jokes/humor but because almost all their jokes actually land their punchlines.
8. Hemsworth and Evans weren't exactly impressive in their respective roles in their original films.
9. Scarjo was ridiculously bland in IM2 as Black Widow.
10. There's a lot of violence in the phase 1 films. The camera doesn't always show it but there's quite a number of deaths and violence delivered by the hero against their opponents.
11. It's very painful to watch how forced Portman's and Hemsworth's supposed attraction to each other is.
I'll keep updating this thread with some of my other observations as I go through phase 2. All I know at this point is that I'll probably end up with a very different ranking for MCU movies after I've done this binge.
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Post by hobowar on Apr 3, 2019 23:05:14 GMT
My plan was to binge watch all the previous MCU movies in preparation for Endgame. I just finished phase 1 and I realized that I need to reevaluate my opinions on some of these movies. Some of my memories of the older movies are now tainted by nostalgia. Some of them I remember more fondly because they came out in a time when there were very few MCU movies. Already there's a whole bunch of things I'm realizing like: 1. The Incredible Hulk actually had the best romantic plot in any MCU movie I recall. 2. The first Thor and Captain America movies had really crappy fight scenes. Thor's fights were creative but ruined with too much cuts and weird angles, and CATFA's fights were just completely unimaginative. 3. Of all the phase 1 movies, IM2 actually had the best fight scenes. Yet I still find IM2 the most boring of the lot. RDJ talks waaaayyyy too much in IM2. 4. IM1 wasn't as good as I remembered it to be. I remember watching it the first time and was blown away by it, now it just feels like an average MCU flick. I mean, it's still a good movie, but not good enough to elevate it from majority of the (also good) MCU movies. 5. Thor1 had some serious pacing and tonal issues. 6. Cap's costume in Avengers really sucked. Also, Cap was not given a lot of respect in that movie. 7. I think Avengers is still the funniest MCU movie. Not because they have the most jokes/humor but because almost all their jokes actually land their punchlines. 8. Hemsworth and Evans weren't exactly impressive in their respective roles in their original films. 9. Scarjo was ridiculously bland in IM2 as Black Widow. 10. There's a lot of violence in the phase 1 films. The camera doesn't always show it but there's quite a number of deaths and violence delivered by the hero against their opponents. 11. It's very painful to watch how forced Portman's and Hemsworth's supposed attraction to each other is. I'll keep updating this thread with some of my other observations as I go through phase 2. All I know at this point is that I'll probably end up with a very different ranking for MCU movies after I've done this binge. I thought this as well. I remember someone on youtube saying Joss Whedon basically created a new character from scratch in his movie. In my opinion Evans was amazing right from the start, but Hemsworth was abysmal until Ragnarok.
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Post by scabab on Apr 3, 2019 23:09:52 GMT
I remember making a thread on the old IMDb about how I thought the movies were good but the fight scenes in them weren't very good at all.
Iron Man's fights with Iron Monger and War Machine weren't particularly that great. Same with Captain America and his fight with Red Skull and Thor and his fight with Loki.
And so on. When compared to the Spider-Man and Doctor Octopus fight they were really lacking. Then again even now most fight scenes in superhero movies aren't nearly as good as they should be.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 3, 2019 23:29:11 GMT
My plan was to binge watch all the previous MCU movies in preparation for Endgame. I just finished phase 1 and I realized that I need to reevaluate my opinions on some of these movies. Some of my memories of the older movies are now tainted by nostalgia. Some of them I remember more fondly because they came out in a time when there were very few MCU movies. Already there's a whole bunch of things I'm realizing like: 1. The Incredible Hulk actually had the best romantic plot in any MCU movie I recall. 2. The first Thor and Captain America movies had really crappy fight scenes. Thor's fights were creative but ruined with too much cuts and weird angles, and CATFA's fights were just completely unimaginative. 3. Of all the phase 1 movies, IM2 actually had the best fight scenes. Yet I still find IM2 the most boring of the lot. RDJ talks waaaayyyy too much in IM2. 4. IM1 wasn't as good as I remembered it to be. I remember watching it the first time and was blown away by it, now it just feels like an average MCU flick. I mean, it's still a good movie, but not good enough to elevate it from majority of the (also good) MCU movies. 5. Thor1 had some serious pacing and tonal issues. 6. Cap's costume in Avengers really sucked. Also, Cap was not given a lot of respect in that movie. 7. I think Avengers is still the funniest MCU movie. Not because they have the most jokes/humor but because almost all their jokes actually land their punchlines. 8. Hemsworth and Evans weren't exactly impressive in their respective roles in their original films. 9. Scarjo was ridiculously bland in IM2 as Black Widow. 10. There's a lot of violence in the phase 1 films. The camera doesn't always show it but there's quite a number of deaths and violence delivered by the hero against their opponents. 11. It's very painful to watch how forced Portman's and Hemsworth's supposed attraction to each other is. I'll keep updating this thread with some of my other observations as I go through phase 2. All I know at this point is that I'll probably end up with a very different ranking for MCU movies after I've done this binge. I thought this as well. I remember someone on youtube saying Joss Whedon basically created a new character from scratch in his movie. In my opinion Evans was amazing right from the start, but Hemsworth was abysmal until Ragnarok. True. For me, the first time I watched these movies I wasn't blown away by their performance but I thought they were decent. However, now that I got used to seeing them in CW or Ragnarok or IW, getting thrown back to their first movies makes me realize how awkward they seemed back then. As for Black Widow in IM2... well, she felt like a wallflower that just so happened to know martial arts. There was almost zero allure to her character. I remember being excited back then to first see Black Widow in a movie, but now looking back on it she was mostly wasted in that movie.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 3, 2019 23:43:03 GMT
I remember making a thread on the old IMDb about how I thought the movies were good but the fight scenes in them weren't very good at all. Iron Man's fights with Iron Monger and War Machine weren't particularly that great. Same with Captain America and his fight with Red Skull and Thor and his fight with Loki. And so on. When compared to the Spider-Man and Doctor Octopus fight they were really lacking. Then again even now most fight scenes in superhero movies aren't nearly as good as they should be. When I first watched these movies I didn't make much of the action scenes, mostly because action scenes in cbm's weren't that great. The only great fight scenes we had were from SM1 and 2 but other cbms at that time (like Daredevil, Catwoman, the Batman movies, the Superman movies, the X-men movies) didn't have great action either. So these new (at that time) MCU movies didn't seem to have bad action scenes. They were at least better than some others. But now that we have movies like TWS, CW, IW and Ragnarok that have very good fight sequences, it makes it pretty clear how bad the fight scenes were from those first few MCU movies.
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 4, 2019 0:08:42 GMT
I’m almost afraid to go back and reëvaluate them, as my opinions on modern movies change so much anyway...
I will say that I recently saw The Avengers on TV and still didn’t really like it. It’s pretty much just Whedonesque quippiness and CGI, both of which I dislike.
I also recently caught a few minutes of IM and still liked what little I saw—but then I also saw part of IM3 and was more mixed on it than when I saw it in theaters.
Whereas a recent reviewing of The Dark Knight left me much more favorable towards it.
But, anyhoo, there are still a bunch of these I haven’t seen even once.
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 4, 2019 0:33:44 GMT
Also because the new DC films have raised the standard.
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 4, 2019 0:34:19 GMT
I’m almost afraid to go back and reëvaluate them, as my opinions on modern movies change so much anyway... I will say that I recently saw The Avengers on TV and still didn’t really like it. It’s pretty much just Whedonesque quippiness and CGI, both of which I dislike. I also recently caught a few minutes of IM and still liked what little I saw—but then I also saw part of IM3 and was more mixed on it than when I saw it in theaters. But, anyhoo, there are still a bunch of these I haven’t seen even once. Yes Whedon sucks. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 4, 2019 0:35:50 GMT
Also because the new DC films have have raised the standard. LOL, what?
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Post by scabab on Apr 4, 2019 11:20:12 GMT
Aquaman was a clear improvement over the likes of Batman vs Superman, Suicide Squad and Justice League. Now Shazam is apparently a bigger improvement still, it currently has a 93% on Rotten Tomatoes, the same as Wonder Woman. I think that's what he was getting at.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 4, 2019 12:12:41 GMT
Aquaman was a clear improvement over the likes of Batman vs Superman, Suicide Squad and Justice League.Now Shazam is apparently a bigger improvement still, it currently has a 93% on Rotten Tomatoes, the same as Wonder Woman. I think that's what he was getting at. Not to me; it was just as shitty but in a different way. I can't wait until we move on from this Rotten Tomatoes era. It doesn't mean anything. A film has more positive than negative reviews, that's all. If I say Shazam was "Alright, 6/10," that counts as a positive review. If the majority of the audience feels that way, that isn't a 93/100 rating on the film. Even here you're comparing Shazam to Wonder Woman because they both sit at 93%. They're two different films trying to accomplish different things. The most you could say they have in common is they're superhero movies. Shazam looks fun but I don't expect it to feel like Wonder Woman. "Well, rotten tomatoes told me it's as good as Wonder Woman." That isn't how it works. Do you watch comedies for the same reason you watch dramas? Find a PT Anderson film with a comparable rating to Shazam or Black Panther and tell me which film is objectively 'better.' Rotten Tomatoes only has value to the studios as an advertising gimmick. "Go see our film, it's certified fresh." The RT rating has less value to the public than any single critic's review.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 4, 2019 12:36:18 GMT
My plan was to binge watch all the previous MCU movies in preparation for Endgame. I just finished phase 1 and I realized that I need to reevaluate my opinions on some of these movies. Some of my memories of the older movies are now tainted by nostalgia. Some of them I remember more fondly because they came out in a time when there were very few MCU movies. Already there's a whole bunch of things I'm realizing like: 1. The Incredible Hulk actually had the best romantic plot in any MCU movie I recall. 2. The first Thor and Captain America movies had really crappy fight scenes. Thor's fights were creative but ruined with too much cuts and weird angles, and CATFA's fights were just completely unimaginative. 3. Of all the phase 1 movies, IM2 actually had the best fight scenes. Yet I still find IM2 the most boring of the lot. RDJ talks waaaayyyy too much in IM2. 4. IM1 wasn't as good as I remembered it to be. I remember watching it the first time and was blown away by it, now it just feels like an average MCU flick. I mean, it's still a good movie, but not good enough to elevate it from majority of the (also good) MCU movies. 5. Thor1 had some serious pacing and tonal issues. 6. Cap's costume in Avengers really sucked. Also, Cap was not given a lot of respect in that movie. 7. I think Avengers is still the funniest MCU movie. Not because they have the most jokes/humor but because almost all their jokes actually land their punchlines. 8. Hemsworth and Evans weren't exactly impressive in their respective roles in their original films. 9. Scarjo was ridiculously bland in IM2 as Black Widow. 10. There's a lot of violence in the phase 1 films. The camera doesn't always show it but there's quite a number of deaths and violence delivered by the hero against their opponents. 11. It's very painful to watch how forced Portman's and Hemsworth's supposed attraction to each other is. I'll keep updating this thread with some of my other observations as I go through phase 2. All I know at this point is that I'll probably end up with a very different ranking for MCU movies after I've done this binge. It's not really a fair comparison at this point. A fledgling enterprise like CA: TFA compared to Infinity War? Of course they've gotten better as time has gone by; wouldn't it be more disturbing if you went back and said, "Boy, those old MCU movies are just so much better than the stuff they're putting out now." Marvel raises the bar on themselves every year, it's no wonder those early films can't compare. To quote the Dude in The Big Lebowski, "How ya gonna keep em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus?" Most franchises skew the other way. The original Die Hard trilogy, the first two Alien films, Terminator and T2, the Indy trilogy; all are great, all were eventually followed by empty cash grabs that devalued the franchise and turned everything to shit. I'm glad Marvel keeps improving instead of diluting itself further with each installment. What are we, 11 years and 20+ films in and we're still getting great stuff? To me, Iron Man still holds up and Cap always had a timeless charm to it, being a period piece. I was never a huge fan of TIH or the first two Thor films. I thought Black Widow sucked in IM2 when it first came out, so that hasn't changed. I saw Avengers in the theater again a couple of years ago and expected to find Cap's costume distracting, but surprisingly it was fine. It is kind of goofy and I still don't understand what they were thinking with it (and somehow it looks worse in stills than it does in the film itself, I think), but everything else is so good I don't even care.
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Post by scabab on Apr 4, 2019 13:34:21 GMT
I can't wait until we move on from this Rotten Tomatoes era. It doesn't mean anything. A film has more positive than negative reviews, that's all. If I say Shazam was "Alright, 6/10," that counts as a positive review. If the majority of the audience feels that way, that isn't a 93/100 rating on the film. It's not like I was giving an analysis or anything. If 93% of people have it a 6/10 it's still more than the previous DCEU movies. It's average score is 7.53 though, a decent score and second only to Wonder Woman.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 4, 2019 14:48:05 GMT
For me all the MCU movies get better every time I watch them.
The DCEU movies have started getting better. Let's hope they can continue on that path.
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Post by Vassaggo on Apr 4, 2019 15:21:52 GMT
Ironman, Avengers, Civil War, and for some odd reason Doc Strange have the most rewatchability for me.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 4, 2019 20:30:37 GMT
My plan was to binge watch all the previous MCU movies in preparation for Endgame. I just finished phase 1 and I realized that I need to reevaluate my opinions on some of these movies. Some of my memories of the older movies are now tainted by nostalgia. Some of them I remember more fondly because they came out in a time when there were very few MCU movies. Already there's a whole bunch of things I'm realizing like: 1. The Incredible Hulk actually had the best romantic plot in any MCU movie I recall. 2. The first Thor and Captain America movies had really crappy fight scenes. Thor's fights were creative but ruined with too much cuts and weird angles, and CATFA's fights were just completely unimaginative. 3. Of all the phase 1 movies, IM2 actually had the best fight scenes. Yet I still find IM2 the most boring of the lot. RDJ talks waaaayyyy too much in IM2. 4. IM1 wasn't as good as I remembered it to be. I remember watching it the first time and was blown away by it, now it just feels like an average MCU flick. I mean, it's still a good movie, but not good enough to elevate it from majority of the (also good) MCU movies. 5. Thor1 had some serious pacing and tonal issues. 6. Cap's costume in Avengers really sucked. Also, Cap was not given a lot of respect in that movie. 7. I think Avengers is still the funniest MCU movie. Not because they have the most jokes/humor but because almost all their jokes actually land their punchlines. 8. Hemsworth and Evans weren't exactly impressive in their respective roles in their original films. 9. Scarjo was ridiculously bland in IM2 as Black Widow. 10. There's a lot of violence in the phase 1 films. The camera doesn't always show it but there's quite a number of deaths and violence delivered by the hero against their opponents. 11. It's very painful to watch how forced Portman's and Hemsworth's supposed attraction to each other is. I'll keep updating this thread with some of my other observations as I go through phase 2. All I know at this point is that I'll probably end up with a very different ranking for MCU movies after I've done this binge. Sounds like you're saying that most MCU movies haven't held up over time and you're now beginning to realize what I knew from the beginning - that those movies are over-rated. |
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Post by James on Apr 4, 2019 20:57:22 GMT
My plan was to binge watch all the previous MCU movies in preparation for Endgame. I just finished phase 1 and I realized that I need to reevaluate my opinions on some of these movies. Some of my memories of the older movies are now tainted by nostalgia. Some of them I remember more fondly because they came out in a time when there were very few MCU movies. Already there's a whole bunch of things I'm realizing like: 1. The Incredible Hulk actually had the best romantic plot in any MCU movie I recall. 2. The first Thor and Captain America movies had really crappy fight scenes. Thor's fights were creative but ruined with too much cuts and weird angles, and CATFA's fights were just completely unimaginative. 3. Of all the phase 1 movies, IM2 actually had the best fight scenes. Yet I still find IM2 the most boring of the lot. RDJ talks waaaayyyy too much in IM2. 4. IM1 wasn't as good as I remembered it to be. I remember watching it the first time and was blown away by it, now it just feels like an average MCU flick. I mean, it's still a good movie, but not good enough to elevate it from majority of the (also good) MCU movies. 5. Thor1 had some serious pacing and tonal issues. 6. Cap's costume in Avengers really sucked. Also, Cap was not given a lot of respect in that movie. 7. I think Avengers is still the funniest MCU movie. Not because they have the most jokes/humor but because almost all their jokes actually land their punchlines. 8. Hemsworth and Evans weren't exactly impressive in their respective roles in their original films. 9. Scarjo was ridiculously bland in IM2 as Black Widow. 10. There's a lot of violence in the phase 1 films. The camera doesn't always show it but there's quite a number of deaths and violence delivered by the hero against their opponents. 11. It's very painful to watch how forced Portman's and Hemsworth's supposed attraction to each other is. I'll keep updating this thread with some of my other observations as I go through phase 2. All I know at this point is that I'll probably end up with a very different ranking for MCU movies after I've done this binge. Sounds like you're saying that most MCU movies haven't held up over time and you're now beginning to realize what I knew from the beginning - that those movies are over-rated. He’s just nitpicking them bruh. Never in his thread did he say they’re overrated. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 4, 2019 21:22:46 GMT
Aquaman was a clear improvement over the likes of Batman vs Superman, Suicide Squad and Justice League. Now Shazam is apparently a bigger improvement still, it currently has a 93% on Rotten Tomatoes, the same as Wonder Woman. I think that's what he was getting at. Oh, well he could've said DC films have been improving. MCU has actually raised the standards. They're the ones that make the most money, they're the ones with the best reviews, and they're the ones got into the Best Picture Oscars.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 5, 2019 15:31:09 GMT
I have always said that the action in IM@ is very good. It is much better than any of the other phase one movies. I still think Phase 2 might have been the best. TWS is the best MCU movie, Guardians was awesome, etc.
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 5, 2019 15:45:55 GMT
It's not really a fair comparison at this point. A fledgling enterprise like CA: TFA compared to Infinity War? Of course they've gotten better as time has gone by; wouldn't it be more disturbing if you went back and said, "Boy, those old MCU movies are just so much better than the stuff they're putting out now." Marvel raises the bar on themselves every year, it's no wonder those early films can't compare. To quote the Dude in The Big Lebowski, "How ya gonna keep em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus?" ... Um. Other than TWS, my favorite MCU flicks are all “Phase 1.” Um. OK. I’ll be quiet now. (Oh, one more thing. I’ve never seen The Big Lebowski, but that’s a paraphrase of a 1919 song. Huh. That’s kinda neat.) |
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