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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 18:54:17 GMT
Let me get it out there right now.
I don't condone a man laying his hands on a woman or child (or an animal but that's another discussion)
I ask you this....
Can you blame Jack for losing his patience with Wendy and Doc?
This broad may be the most annoying character of All-Time - her over the top politeness, butt kissing and being apologetic is really wearing on me 15 minutes in - and how about Doc - this lil lightweight puss who needs to be toughened up a bit with the make believe friend who talks to his finger?
Maybe it would have been better for Jack to just seek a divorce instead of trying to 'make things work' and fleeing for his sanity instead of taking this job.
Or perhaps just planning his escape - I.e. just packing a duffle bag and fleeing at 2:30am when Wendy and Doc are sleeping onto a more peaceful life where he can enjoy his Jack Daniels.
Opinions and thoughts?
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Post by James on Apr 7, 2019 19:06:05 GMT
I think it’s all about interpretation. Like did he really go insane over his wife and kid or is it supernatural doings?
Personally, I never found them too annoying even with Wendy’s constant wailing which is supposed to be her being terrified.
Also the son’s name is really Danny, they just nickname him Doc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 19:12:11 GMT
imagine going through Cabin Fever with these two - being cutoff from the outside world for like half a year?
these 2 are your only sources of communication?
talk about torture.
poor fella
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Post by James on Apr 7, 2019 19:30:09 GMT
imagine going through Cabin Fever with these two - being cutoff from the outside world for like half a year? these 2 are your only sources of communication? talk about torture. poor fella Well I wouldn’t do that, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 19:39:02 GMT
I think Jack's mistake was thinking he could find happiness - even though he was initially miserable with Wendy and Doc to begin with....
He was running so to speak - tried to find 'the magic' again - writing - but after awhile soon realized he was living in a nightmare
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 7, 2019 21:12:41 GMT
I don’t actually find Shelley Duvall as annoying in this as everyone says—yeah, OK, the screaming is annoying, but not so much that I don’t sympathize with her character or anything like that. I do have a cousin who looks (and kinda sounds) like her here who’s a really wonderful, sweet (perhaps too sweet) person, so that may be part of it.
And I think the kid’s great.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 22:14:34 GMT
ever see 'The Shining' made for TV with the guy from 'Wings'?
probably late 90s or so on network TV.
only kid I found more annoying than this kid - was that kid............
I thought shelly duvall (god bless her soul) was hot in this - but just over the top 'too sweet' - and over the top 'too sweet' just like Olive Oil in Popeye can wear thin on a man......
I sympathized with Jack when he was trying to write his novel and she showed up - drop off my sandwich and beat it - i'm working - i'll communicate with you later if I feel the need to - in the mean time - since you're a mother - take care of our nutbag kid who talks to his finger - I'M WORKING!!!!!
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Post by rogerthat on Apr 7, 2019 22:30:44 GMT
I never found Doc annoying. If anything I found him one of the best characters in the film.
As far as Wendy, it's cinematic history that Stanley Kubrik tortured Shelley Duvall on the set and encouraged everyone else to give her a hard time so that he could get that very petfomance of an insecure and uncertain person.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 9, 2019 5:12:13 GMT
I sympathized with Jack when he was trying to write his novel and she showed up - drop off my sandwich and beat it Sheeeeit, I wish my SO brought me sandwiches while I was working period.
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Post by The Pumpkin King on Apr 21, 2019 15:17:57 GMT
Lol, funny post. I myself never once sympathized for Jack Torrance, but I did understand him at the same time. I see him as someone who was getting tired of life, becoming depressed, which alone could make a man go mad especially as isolated as he was about to become. I also think the supernatural forces relished the day he walked in. Like, "Oh, here's another Grady Groundskeeper". I also believe Jack would've taken his own life in the end, because as much as he wanted to kill his family, he wouldn't have wanted to be alone. As most suicidal maniacs have in common. Also, Jack reminds me a lot of my own dad. Thankfully my dad has a heart, ha.
Danny/Doc had moments of not listening. So, he was completely naïve to his environment. The man couldn't make it anymore clear to stay out of Room 237. "There ain't nothing in room 237, you hear me? Stay out. STAY OUT!" It didn't take Danny/Doc too long to break that rule, ha. But, Danny/Doc is a kid, and kids cannot be blamed for what they don't understand.
Wendy was an angel, both to Jack and Danny/Doc. The whole time we see her doing the weekly demands of taking care of the property, and cooking. And at the end she even goes so far to defend and protect him from Jack. Danny/Doc would've been dead almost immediately if Wendy hadn't taken him into the bathroom with her.
So, annoying? Not really at all, no. If anything, Jack had no patience, a short fuse, and by the end no respect for his family or human life. Of course, I still luv watching this movie and watching horror at it's best, ha. Love Jack, Shelley, and Danny Lloyd.
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 22, 2019 17:00:45 GMT
ever see 'The Shining' made for TV with the guy from 'Wings'?
probably late 90s or so on network TV. only kid I found more annoying than this kid - was that kid............ I thought shelly duvall (god bless her soul) was hot in this - but just over the top 'too sweet' - and over the top 'too sweet' just like Olive Oil in Popeye can wear thin on a man...... I sympathized with Jack when he was trying to write his novel and she showed up - drop off my sandwich and beat it - i'm working - i'll communicate with you later if I feel the need to - in the mean time - since you're a mother - take care of our nutbag kid who talks to his finger - I'M WORKING!!!!! I actually just saw it the other day—or, at least, skimmed through it. It’s available for free on Internet Archive (at the moment, that is). Stephen King likes his miniseries, yeah, but what about The Shining made it so necessary to make a six-hour miniseries?! You could have chopped off about half of it and had—pretty much everything. There’s so much padding in it that after a half hour or so I started skipping through it. It’s to King’s credit that he put his (or ABC’s) money where his mouth was and not only criticize the movie but also make his own version. (And it’s King’s influence, not the director’s or anyone else’s, that dominates the production, right down to the goofiness—curiously a King trait.) But that’s a backhanded compliment on my part, because I thought the miniseries was pretty much awful. In Doug “Nostalgia Critic” Walker’s review, he keeps saying that it isn’t scary, and he’s right, but even more than the subjective “scariness” criterion, for long sequences nothing happens on-screen. Because the director didn’t know how to build tension, as Kubrick did, much of the massive running time feels like scenes of people wandering around a rather quaint and cozy hotel. (King might have gotten a spooky feeling from the Stanley Hotel, but it certainly doesn’t come across in this production.) But Walker’s right about the “scary” thing. For a guy who has made his living in scaring people, King doesn’t seem to get what’s scary, certainly not in film or on television: he has a weakness for goofiness, exemplified here in a shot where he gets a close-up while playing the bandleader. How on earth does he think that cheap makeup and wolf masks (!) are scary, let alone an evil fire hose? He enjoys the sillier adaptations of his works, and that’s just his taste, but it certainly has nothing to do with horror. Is he somehow unable to take film seriously? Because I’ve read some King, and his books are scary, and he’s a good writer. I actually thought Steven Weber, the guy from Wings, wasn’t too bad. Early on he seems to be sleepwalking through the role (literally), but as it goes on he’s better. (As one YouTube reviewer insightfully noted, though, for all of King’s criticisms of Nicholson’s Nicholson-ness from the beginning of the movie, King’s script lays on the hints at the ending so thick in the beginning of the miniseries that this Jack’s journey is no more tragic than movie-Jack’s.) As everyone says, Rebecca de Mornay was the best part of the whole thing: her Wendy, completely different from Shelley Duvall’s, is very good (though she screams just as much as Shelley did!). I don’t want to criticize child-actors too much, but, yeah, the kid was annoying— much more so than Danny Lloyd, I thought. Melvin Van Peebles doesn’t compare to Scatman Crothers. Sorry for turning this all into a rant, but it just annoyed me that King finally got the version he wanted, and it stinks. Still, it’s fascinating to compare how good Kubrick made his version with how poor King made his.
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Post by Vits on Dec 1, 2019 10:21:04 GMT
Heeeeere's Vits to tell you that he agrees with most people's opinions on THE SHINING, except that 2 things ruined it: A) Imagine a tennis match where your opponent throws the ball at your face by accident over and over again and keeps waiting for you to hit it back. That's how I felt watching Shelley Duvall's performance. B) The way that JACK TORRANCE (the protagonist) transitions from normal to crazy was too rushed. As I was watching the movie, I was thinking "What if we had seen the downward spiral into madness?" and then I read that it was different in Stephen King's novel. I've said many times that changes in adaptations don't matter as long as they don't ruin the essence. By removing the element of JACK's struggle to stay sane, it comes off as if he had been evil yet sane all along. It ruined the character. Stanley Kubrick clearly had enough ideas to write an original script and that's what he should've done. Even if you think that's wrong, I still stand by what I said first because, while watching the movie (with no knowledge of the novel), I found the character to be flawed. That being said, there is a change that was for the better: Making the movie much more ambiguous. I'm not saying that the novel had too much exposition; I'm saying that I appreciated the ambiguety while watching the movie without knowing that I could find answers elsewhere. I'm also glad that DANNY TORRANCE (JACK's son) no longer meets his future self (Kubrick turned him into an imaginary friend). King sometimes tries to mix too many elements in his stories. We already have ghosts, telepathy and clairvoyance; time travel would've been overlook overkill! 8/10 DR. SLEEP tries to be a stand-alone movie and a direct sequel to THE SHINING. That's a problem, because both movies are very different in terms of tone, narrative and visual style. Things feel more jarring whenever an iconic shot is recreated. Honestly, I don't have a problem when a sequel severs ties with its predecessor if it's made decades later (especially with a different cast and crew), so I would've accepted it here. Everything was working without the references. In fact, the performances, characters, dialogue, plot, imagery, scares, editing and sound are top notch. 8/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 21:33:27 GMT
Have you read Dr Sleep and especially the ending? It's, quite frankly, ridiculous and wouldn't have worked at all for this movie.
Stephen King is a great writer but this guy always seems to be struggling with how to satisfyingly end a story.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Dec 13, 2019 23:14:40 GMT
Wendy never bothered me. She was an abused (at least emotionally) and frightened woman. Her behavior made sense.
Danny was just kinda there. Didn't bug me in the slightest.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Dec 13, 2019 23:16:06 GMT
In Doug “Nostalgia Critic” Walker’s review Now THERE'S an annoying character...
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 13, 2019 23:22:21 GMT
Have you read Dr Sleep and especially the ending? It's, quite frankly, ridiculous and wouldn't have worked at all for this movie. Stephen King is a great writer but this guy always seems to be struggling with how to satisfyingly end a story. To be fair, Dickens had the same problem.
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Post by dirtypillows on Dec 14, 2019 0:33:51 GMT
Let me get it out there right now. I don't condone a man laying his hands on a woman or child (or an animal but that's another discussion) I ask you this.... Can you blame Jack for losing his patience with Wendy and Doc? This broad may be the most annoying character of All-Time - her over the top politeness, butt kissing and being apologetic is really wearing on me 15 minutes in - and how about Doc - this lil lightweight puss who needs to be toughened up a bit with the make believe friend who talks to his finger? Maybe it would have been better for Jack to just seek a divorce instead of trying to 'make things work' and fleeing for his sanity instead of taking this job. Or perhaps just planning his escape - I.e. just packing a duffle bag and fleeing at 2:30am when Wendy and Doc are sleeping onto a more peaceful life where he can enjoy his Jack Daniels. Opinions and thoughts? I think you just don't like Wendy and "Doc". There are basically two camps here. And I like Wendy a lot. She is appealing and sympathetic and beautifully brought to life. Of course, I am biased myself as I love me some Shelly Duvall. Her energy waves were sublime.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 14, 2019 1:09:38 GMT
The only character that acted normal was the cook. Jack seemed normal at the start but when he was driving back was acting weird already.
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Post by dirtypillows on Dec 14, 2019 2:08:41 GMT
I think you just don't like Wendy and "Doc". There are basically two camps here. And I like Wendy a lot. She is appealing and sympathetic and beautifully brought to life. Of course, I am biased myself as I love me some Shelly Duvall. Her energy waves were sublime. Duvall gets flack because she is not a stunner in the looks department. Because of this, she gets bypassed for the quality and skill of her work. She had oodles of charisma and presence as well and is also very sexy. What a find! Kudo's to Altman.
Yes, I think Robert Altman was the perfect actor's director. His manner of getting the actor to respond seemed so much "healthier" and every bit as vital as Kurbick. Of course, Shelley is very effective here as well. She had such vulnerability, it was stunning. And so cute in her own manner. She was never unsympathetic. Even when she was unkind to Pinky, she was always so human. I love her. I don't know if I could fully trust somebody who thought Shelly was outright ugly.
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Post by Gourmando the Reindeer on Dec 14, 2019 12:00:52 GMT
There was a regular poster on the old board, I forget his name, but I will never forget the anecdote he told about his first experience with this movie. He did not know anything about it and had not read the book. He was flipping channels and caught a scene right when Doc starts wiggling his finger and talking to it in that croaky voice. His reaction was 'wth am I watching!?? I'm not watching 2 and a half hours of this!' He channel surfed on and avoided the movie for years even after hearing of its reputation over the years. Til he finally gave it another shot and thought it was good but not great. It is funny and I could understand one having that reaction if you happened upon that scene completely blind. Doc is fine and nice and quiet. At least he did not tromp all through the motel hollering and yelling and raising hell with a toy sword or something and not listening to a thing/purposefully doing what he has been told not to do cause he thinks its funny, like my 5 yr old 2nd cousin does. If Wendy was my wife I would encourage her to eat more and put on some more 'cushion', but I liked her personality. She was genuinely sweet and also submissive.
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