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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 15:23:35 GMT
You should be... God only gave us plants for food, not animals. You are instructed not to kill. That was before the flood. Go and read Genesis 9:3-4.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 15:30:55 GMT
Hello... hello... is this thing on? Are you vegan? No. So, you're anti-vegan, or do you support their choice of being vegan, though you yourself aren't one? If so, then you're pro-vegan... and by proxy of your absolutism metric, anti-meat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 15:31:15 GMT
You should be... God only gave us plants for food, not animals. You are instructed not to kill. That was before the flood. Go and read Genesis 9:3-4. Jesus came along and told you not to kill... He didn't make any exceptions. You know Jesus calls you to practice love and compassion... You know animals are put through lives and deaths of torture, torment, despair, pain, and suffering, to needlessly satiate your personal desire... You know all the suffering is unnecessary, yet you hark back to an old testament verse to self justify what you know is the antithesis of love and compassion. Animals have souls, and all are gathered back to himself... You will be held accountable for the cruelty you inflict in this earthly life for your own selfish desire. |
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 17:19:57 GMT
So, you're anti-vegan, or do you support their choice of being vegan, though you yourself aren't one? If so, then you're pro-vegan... and by proxy of your absolutism metric, anti-meat. LOL
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 17:26:10 GMT
That was before the flood. Go and read Genesis 9:3-4. Jesus came along and told you not to kill... He didn't make any exceptions. You know Jesus calls you to practice love and compassion... You know animals are put through lives and deaths of torture, torment, despair, pain, and suffering, to needlessly satiate your personal desire... You know all the suffering is unnecessary, yet you hark back to an old testament verse to self justify what you know is the antithesis of love and compassion. Animals have souls, and all are gathered back to himself... You will be held accountable for the cruelty you inflict in this earthly life for your own selfish desire. You seriously think thou shalt not kill applies to animals?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 17:28:11 GMT
Jesus came along and told you not to kill... He didn't make any exceptions. You know Jesus calls you to practice love and compassion... You know animals are put through lives and deaths of torture, torment, despair, pain, and suffering, to needlessly satiate your personal desire... You know all the suffering is unnecessary, yet you hark back to an old testament verse to self justify what you know is the antithesis of love and compassion. Animals have souls, and all are gathered back to himself... You will be held accountable for the cruelty you inflict in this earthly life for your own selfish desire. You seriously think thou shalt not kill applies to animals? Yes. They have souls. They are our brothers and sisters in Christ. |
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 10, 2019 17:42:37 GMT
You seriously think thou shalt not kill applies to animals? Yes. They have souls. They are our brothers and sisters in Christ. Animals were not made in the image of God, unlike humans. God makes the distinction between human life and animal life clear. ”Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed; for in the image of God He made man.”GENESIS 9:6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 17:48:13 GMT
Yes. They have souls. They are our brothers and sisters in Christ. Animals were not made in the image of God, unlike humans. God makes the distinction between human life and animal life clear. ”Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed; for in the image of God He made man.”GENESIS 9:6 It's ok, I'm not judging you, just telling you how I live my relationship with my faith. You don't even seem to have grasped the lesson of the good Samaritan. I should think expanding love and compassion beyond species barriers is too advanced for you. It's your soul, do with it what you will. Good luck. You keep putting animals through hell on earth to satiate yourself, I'll keep praying to St. Francis for them, and getting animals in my care blessed by a priest. Being a voice for the voiceless is important to me. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 10, 2019 20:16:28 GMT
Animals were not made in the image of God, unlike humans. God makes the distinction between human life and animal life clear. ”Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed; for in the image of God He made man.”GENESIS 9:6It's ok, I'm not judging you, just telling you how I live my relationship with my faith. You don't even seem to have grasped the lesson of the good Samaritan. I should think expanding love and compassion beyond species barriers is too advanced for you. It's your soul, do with it what you will. Good luck. You keep putting animals through hell on earth to satiate yourself, I'll keep praying to St. Francis for them, and getting animals in my care blessed by a priest. Being a voice for the voiceless is important to me.Ned, it is rare that I ever use this word, but... Amen.
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Post by maya55555 on Apr 10, 2019 20:17:37 GMT
YES
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 10, 2019 20:58:01 GMT
That was before the flood. Go and read Genesis 9:3-4. Jesus came along and told you not to kill... He didn't make any exceptions. You know Jesus calls you to practice love and compassion... You know animals are put through lives and deaths of torture, torment, despair, pain, and suffering, to needlessly satiate your personal desire... You know all the suffering is unnecessary, yet you hark back to an old testament verse to self justify what you know is the antithesis of love and compassion. Animals have souls, and all are gathered back to himself... You will be held accountable for the cruelty you inflict in this earthly life for your own selfish desire. mmmmm bacon... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 21:13:48 GMT
Jesus came along and told you not to kill... He didn't make any exceptions. You know Jesus calls you to practice love and compassion... You know animals are put through lives and deaths of torture, torment, despair, pain, and suffering, to needlessly satiate your personal desire... You know all the suffering is unnecessary, yet you hark back to an old testament verse to self justify what you know is the antithesis of love and compassion. Animals have souls, and all are gathered back to himself... You will be held accountable for the cruelty you inflict in this earthly life for your own selfish desire. mmmmm bacon... 
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Post by mslo79 on Apr 11, 2019 2:43:49 GMT
I think some people kind of twist that 'unconditional love' a bit in thinking since God loves all humans, that we can pretty much do whatever we want and still get to Heaven and it does not work that way as sin has consequences, especially serious sin and many in today's immoral world tend to (potentially) cross into serious sin territory in the sexual dept as many today sleep together without being married, or just for fun etc, and that's serious sin which can potentially send you to hell for. (NOTE: I say potentially because there are three things required for someone to truly cross over into mortal sin territory on something that's of serious sin subject matter like I just mentioned which is... CCC #1857 where it says, "For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent." ; so with that said, it's probably difficult to truly tell whether someone crossed over into serious sin or not. but either way, something of serious sin subject matter, like I mentioned, is not something you want to gamble on since your eternal soul is at stake.) but anyways, another way to put it... God gave us free will and we have to choose to love Him by following His commandments etc as He won't stop us from rejecting Him as while He loves all people, he's not going to force someone to love Him as we have to choose it. so those who ultimately reject God, Hell is the natural consequence of rejecting God and His ways since God is goodness itself and once you remove God from ones soul, all that remains is eternal hate/misery. some might wonder, how can God send someone to hell for ETERNITY but it's not that He sent them there, it's that they rejected Him in this life(here on earth) and even if they were given a second chance they would not want it as their will is fixed in evil at that point once someone ends up in hell and they hate God along with everything else etc. basically people reject God by sin, especially serious sin. one way to put it... venial sin (mild sin) only wounds ones relationship with God where as mortal sin (serious sin) destroys it. NOTE: I know we all sin on some level, so God gives us some leeway(otherwise we could not get to Heaven), but at the very least one should avoid serious sin and if you find yourself struggling to avoid serious sin etc it's not surprising especially if a person is not regularly praying (regularly praying as in daily prayer(I strongly recommend The Holy Rosary being prayed daily!)) as I think a lot of Christians seem to think prayer is optional but it's not as it's required if one is going to avoid sin and work their way towards God as prayer (along with the Sacraments etc) gives us supernatural grace from God to live a more holy life (it's a slow and difficult process though to obtain saint level holiness) as those who don't pray (or rarely pray) is basically like going at it on your own, it won't end well... "I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing." - John 15:5 another thing... those who do not obtain saint status in this life(as in being perfectly pure as only one who is perfectly pure can immediately enter Heaven upon death here on earth), will be purified in Purgatory before eventually reaching Heaven at which point you will be a saint as only saints are in heaven. personally... I kind of assume the vast majority of people (including myself) are not pure enough to immediately enter heaven upon death here on earth. so the vast majority of us, assuming one does not end up in hell, will see some purgatory time. but as far as how long someone spends in that state is pretty much only something God knows. but my personal guess (based partially on what I read etc)... it won't be quick and will probably be AT LEAST years (in earth time) for many people and possibly decades (and maybe in some cases, like those who barely avoided hell, centuries etc) etc.
p.s. for someone who's in a state of serious sin... forgiveness can still be obtained which the only ordinary way is through the Sacrament of Confession.
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Post by goz on Apr 11, 2019 4:00:20 GMT
I think some people kind of twist that 'unconditional love' a bit in thinking since God loves all humans, that we can pretty much do whatever we want and still get to Heaven and it does not work that way as sin has consequences, especially serious sin and many in today's immoral world tend to (potentially) cross into serious sin territory in the sexual dept as many today sleep together without being married, or just for fun etc, and that's serious sin which can potentially send you to hell for. (NOTE: I say potentially because there are three things required for someone to truly cross over into mortal sin territory on something that's of serious sin subject matter like I just mentioned which is... CCC #1857 where it says, "For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent." ; so with that said, it's probably difficult to truly tell whether someone crossed over into serious sin or not. but either way, something of serious sin subject matter, like I mentioned, is not something you want to gamble on since your eternal soul is at stake.) but anyways, another way to put it... God gave us free will and we have to choose to love Him by following His commandments etc as He won't stop us from rejecting Him as while He loves all people, he's not going to force someone to love Him as we have to choose it. so those who ultimately reject God, Hell is the natural consequence of rejecting God and His ways since God is goodness itself and once you remove God from ones soul, all that remains is eternal hate/misery. some might wonder, how can God send someone to hell for ETERNITY but it's not that He sent them there, it's that they rejected Him in this life(here on earth) and even if they were given a second chance they would not want it as their will is fixed in evil at that point once someone ends up in hell and they hate God along with everything else etc. basically people reject God by sin, especially serious sin. one way to put it... venial sin (mild sin) only wounds ones relationship with God where as mortal sin (serious sin) destroys it. NOTE: I know we all sin on some level, so God gives us some leeway(otherwise we could not get to Heaven), but at the very least one should avoid serious sin and if you find yourself struggling to avoid serious sin etc it's not surprising especially if a person is not regularly praying (regularly praying as in daily prayer(I strongly recommend The Holy Rosary being prayed daily!)) as I think a lot of Christians seem to think prayer is optional but it's not as it's required if one is going to avoid sin and work their way towards God as prayer (along with the Sacraments etc) gives us supernatural grace from God to live a more holy life (it's a slow and difficult process though to obtain saint level holiness) as those who don't pray (or rarely pray) is basically like going at it on your own, it won't end well... "I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing." - John 15:5 another thing... those who do not obtain saint status in this life(as in being perfectly pure as only one who is perfectly pure can immediately enter Heaven upon death here on earth), will be purified in Purgatory before eventually reaching Heaven at which point you will be a saint as only saints are in heaven. personally... I kind of assume the vast majority of people (including myself) are not pure enough to immediately enter heaven upon death here on earth. so the vast majority of us, assuming one does not end up in hell, will see some purgatory time. but as far as how long someone spends in that state is pretty much only something God knows. but my personal guess (based partially on what I read etc)... it won't be quick and will probably be AT LEAST years (in earth time) for many people and possibly decades (and maybe in some cases, like those who barely avoided hell, centuries etc) etc.
p.s. for someone who's in a state of serious sin... forgiveness can still be obtained which the only ordinary way is through the Sacrament of Confession.
What a huge load of mumbo jumbo! This is archaic scaremongering at its absolute finest. Why are Catholics so childlike that they actually believe this stuff? Why live in fear of all this shit, when you can just be a loving intelligent humanist compassionate empathetic human being to yourself, others and the environment? It is all so unnecessary and primitive.
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Post by permutojoe on Apr 11, 2019 4:11:52 GMT
First of all there doesn't appear to be much love coming from that God. Second, if you want to call the abomination He offers "love", it is certainly not unconditional.
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Post by geode on Apr 11, 2019 7:29:41 GMT
Unconditional - Not subject to any conditions. The first condition of the Abrahamic god is that you have to follow his religion. Even if you follow his religion you still have to abide by his standards. In my personal opinion, there isn't even any room for debate here. God's love (especially Abrahamic God's) love is totally conditional. It would be good to ask whether anyone's love is unconditional. My answer will remain the same. Love is always conditional. Sometimes conditions are implicit in reasons for developing love in the first place. However, I can respectfully agree to disagree with people who believe that their love for their children or parents or wife is unconditional. I started this thread because I read a comment elsewhere complaining that although most Mormons believe God's love is unconditional their top leader had just given a talk where serious conditions were applied to benefiting from God's saving grace. Like you I am not sure unconditional love exists. My mother seemed to place conditions upon love to me upon obedience. I once was watching a show around the pool of a beach resort with my girlfriend. She did not look happy and I asked her why....she replied that she was homesick. I said that was a strange comment as she had just left Scotland a day earlier to visit me in Thailand. She said, "I wish to be among people who give me unconditional love." A conversation about what that entailed began. What had triggered her was that I was following Thai cultural norms by not showing overt affection in public. I said that unconditional love didn't really exist, except perhaps in an ideal sense from God, or from your dog. But the dog knows you feed it....and God seems to require love from us in return for His love. Anyway, the relationship finally ended when she said the only way it could continue was for me to quit my job and move to Scotland so she could be with her family and friends and not quit her job. She said I didn't really have any friends but then corrected herself, maybe so, but they were not important. My job was not portable, and my chances of getting one in Scotland were slim. She could have most likely gotten a similar job to what she had in Thailand. I talked about moving there in five years when I could take early retirement. She ignored this. The girl who believed in unconditional love sure seemed to put heavy conditions on any she had to offer.
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Post by Morgana on Apr 11, 2019 8:00:51 GMT
For those who believe in God (I am thinking the Abrahamic God here) do you think God's love is unconditional? For the atheists here, do you think God as a concept offers unconditional love? I don't follow any organized religion and I believe that God's love is unconditional.
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Post by clusium on Apr 11, 2019 13:08:26 GMT
What's the origin of that particular comic, Ned?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 13:18:58 GMT
What's the origin of that particular comic, Ned? Dunno mate... It's a stock response when someone finds out you are vegan, and says 'bacon' thinking they are being funny. |
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Post by clusium on Apr 11, 2019 13:28:24 GMT
What's the origin of that particular comic, Ned? Dunno mate... It's a stock response when someone finds out you are vegan, and says 'bacon' thinking they are being funny. I see.
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