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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Apr 10, 2019 17:39:49 GMT
The theists believe in their various religions. They have many reasons, but generally its because they were born into a family that follows that religion and they have never left it.
The atheists don't believe in any religions. There are several reasons why that could be. But often it's because they examined the premises of the religions and concluded that they don't make sense.
To get a theist to change their position you're going to need to get them to genuinely examine beliefs they've held for a long time. And it's very unlikely that a post on a forum is likely to do that.
To get an atheist to change their position you probably need to ask God to help. Which is never going to happen for obvious reasons.
Still...
Poor though the odds are, I think the odds of converting a theist are slightly better. (although judging by some of the theists we have here I'm not sure we want them)
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 10, 2019 17:55:48 GMT
The theists believe in their various religions. They have many reasons, but generally its because they were born into a family that follows that religion and they have never left it. The atheists don't believe in any religions. There are several reasons why that could be. But often it's because they examined the premises of the religions and concluded that they don't make sense. To get a theist to change their position you're going to need to get them to genuinely examine beliefs they've held for a long time. And it's very unlikely that a post on a forum is likely to do that. To get an atheist to change their position you probably need to ask God to help. Which is never going to happen for obvious reasons. Still... Poor though the odds are, I think the odds of converting a theist are slightly better. (although judging by some of the theists we have here I'm not sure we want them) This one has been done several times before. Why would you want to convert a theist to atheism?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 18:12:18 GMT
The theists believe in their various religions. They have many reasons, but generally its because they were born into a family that follows that religion and they have never left it. The atheists don't believe in any religions. There are several reasons why that could be. But often it's because they examined the premises of the religions and concluded that they don't make sense. To get a theist to change their position you're going to need to get them to genuinely examine beliefs they've held for a long time. And it's very unlikely that a post on a forum is likely to do that. To get an atheist to change their position you probably need to ask God to help. Which is never going to happen for obvious reasons. Still... Poor though the odds are, I think the odds of converting a theist are slightly better. (although judging by some of the theists we have here I'm not sure we want them) This one has been done several times before. Why would you want to convert a theist to atheism? 9/11
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 18:16:53 GMT
Fear is the obstacle for theists.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 10, 2019 18:18:57 GMT
Fear is the obstacle for theists. Not for this theist it isn't. Can't speak for them all, though.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 10, 2019 18:20:00 GMT
The word you were looking for is "the non-religious people."
Quite a few atheists follow religion. Being an atheist doesn't mean one does not believe in supernatural things. It simply means a lack of belief in god. Many western Buddhists are atheists.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 18:23:49 GMT
Fear is the obstacle for theists. Not for this theist it isn't. Can't speak for them all, though. Then why not try disbelief for a bit?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 10, 2019 18:25:59 GMT
Fear is the obstacle for theists. what am I scared of exactly?😬 |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 10, 2019 18:33:26 GMT
Not for this theist it isn't. Can't speak for them all, though. Then why not try disbelief for a bit? More importantly, why does it matter to you? What you believe in (or don't believe in) doesn't matter to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 18:36:57 GMT
Then why not try disbelief for a bit? More importantly, why does it matter to you? What you believe in (or don't believe in) doesn't matter to me. Then why are you in this thread? Why did you respond to me? Are you afraid to answer my question? Definitely.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 18:38:04 GMT
Fear is the obstacle for theists. what am I scared of exactly?😬 You don't fear trying on atheism for a week? Cool... let me know when you start.
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Post by thefleetsin on Apr 10, 2019 18:38:12 GMT
jesus saw my joy stick at the jesuit jamboree
nothing pisses off a jesuit more
then to
have some spirit deity
horning in
on his
one and only chance
to swallow
something other than
his religion
whole.
sjw 04/10/19 inspired at this very moment in time by would this offend a jew.
from the 'boner series' of poems
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 10, 2019 18:40:23 GMT
More importantly, why does it matter to you? What you believe in (or don't believe in) doesn't matter to me. Then why are you in this thread? Why did you respond to me? Are you afraid to answer my question? Definitely. You haven't answered mine yet. Are you afraid to live your life without recruiting? Me, I wouldn't be afraid to go it alone. I won't be the last believer left in the world by the time I expire, but even if I were, it's okay.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 10, 2019 18:43:01 GMT
Lol at theophobiacs caring enough to evangelize but having nothing to evangelize with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 18:44:29 GMT
Then why are you in this thread? Why did you respond to me? Are you afraid to answer my question? Definitely. You haven't answered mine yet. The first question in our exchange was by me, idiot. Are you fucking kidding me? IMDB2.freeforums.net/user/465/recent_threads 
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 10, 2019 18:44:49 GMT
what am I scared of exactly?😬 You don't fear trying on atheism for a week? Cool... let me know when you start. ive spent years as a nonbeliever before. It wasn’t that scary. It was pretty easy. A lot more free time. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 10, 2019 18:46:29 GMT
What is the point of posting this? There's nothing there that was ever meant for you, or any of your kind.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 10, 2019 18:47:46 GMT
Lol at theophobiacs caring enough to evangelize but having nothing to evangelize with. Try disbelief for a week.....now that's something new at least. 
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 10, 2019 18:52:29 GMT
Lol at theophobiacs caring enough to evangelize but having nothing to evangelize with. Try disbelief for a week.....now that's something new at least. yeah Kudos to Opie for that one at least. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 10, 2019 20:07:56 GMT
Fear is the obstacle for theists. "Perhaps the whole root of out trouble, the human trouble, is that we will sacrifice all the beauty of our lives, will imprison ourselves totems, taboos, crosses, blood sacrifices, steeples, mosques, races, armies, flags, nations, in order to deny the fact of death, which is the only fact we have." James Baldwin. One of the things I was aware of, when I was on my journey from theism to atheism, was the loss of that secure feeling that I was being watched over, protected, and helped with things that were hard for me to do alone. It's a lot of work to be responsible for, and accepting of, the consequences of our own actions. It's actually a sense of insecurity, of fear, of knowing there is no second chance, no safety net, no backup, no White Knight... When I was a kid, my Dad could fix darn near anything, from a cut by a carving knife to a broken toy. A trip to the hospital was far less scary if Dad was right there with me. As I aged, there were more things he could fix - an over-drawn bank account, a clogged fuel filter. Fortunately, though, I paid attention to what he did and could soon fix things for myself. Even though I had learned a lot from Dad, when I lost him at age 83, it was scary. What if something happened that I didn't know how to fix? I would have to learn what to do all by myself. And if I failed... ? I've gotten through a lot since I lost my Dad, and I've gotten through a lot without the concept of god and immortality. It isn't easy, it takes work. Faith is easy in comparison, and I think that is why religion is so attractive. I know there are many good people who are believers that help others, but there is the dark side of religion, the side that manipulates, controls and uses others. I don't have any answers, but I would rather live with my mortality and real consequences than believe in something that cannot be quantified, hoping for immortality and a reward in an afterlife. I want life to be better in the here-and-now, not suffer in hope of a hereafter.
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