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Post by politicidal on Apr 6, 2017 21:26:25 GMT
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Post by brokenbow on Apr 6, 2017 21:27:47 GMT
That's too bad, I liked the movie a good bit. Good visuals, an ok story, and good acting from Scarlet.
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Post by gogoschka1 on Apr 7, 2017 8:36:00 GMT
I doubt it really was the casting that was ultimately responsible for Ghost in the Shell's failure: this film should never have been made on such a big scale in the first place. A more daring (and possibly R-rated) film with a budget half that size could have been a critical and probably also financial success. Ghost in the Shell is a typical example for Hollywod's current tendency (Logan and Deadpool excluded) to try to reshape every IP it can get its hands on into a big-budget film for a mainstream audience (a so called "4-quadrant film which works for both male/female kids and both male/female adults). But not every IP lends itself to be this kind of blockbuster, and studios really should know better by now, after they failed miserably in their attempt to redo formerly adult oriented material like Total Recall, Robocop and Terminator as sanitized, dumbed down mass entertainment. The main reason why those tentpoles are often so sterile and "harmless" isn't so much the MPAA with their weird restrictions for a PG-13 rating, but how studios view their PG-13 tentpoles and what they expect from them. Many people don’t realize that a significant chunk of the audience for a typical PG-13 blockbuster are children aged 6-12 years (or younger; there is no age restriction for PG-13 films, and not even small children are legally required to be accompanied by an adult if they want to see a PG-13 film). And the studios are very much aware of this, in fact, they even rely heavily on that very demographic with their projected box office calculations. So if the film has to aim for a PG-13 rating, the studio will demand a simple plot from the writers even very young kids can follow (unless the filmmaker has the kind of creative control guys like Spielberg, Nolan, Jackson or Cameron have). The original 'Ghost in the Shell' was decidedly not for children: it was a dark, complex and deeply philosophical masterpiece of cyberpunk, and to be fair, the filmmakers tried to keep that dark vibe in the new version. But due to the studio's demand to have a 4-quadrant movie, they were not able to keep the complex, deep themes and story. The result is a film which is too weird and dark for kids and young teenagers (who are used to watching more straight forward Marvel/DC types of sci-fi/action), but it's too simple and derivative for adults (especially for fans of the original). Lesson for Hollywood: Don't remake Akira as a PG-13 (intended) franchise starter on a budget of over 100 million dollars.
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Post by ashverses on Apr 7, 2017 12:14:19 GMT
It just looked too weird for audiences not familiar to the original IP (ahem....me). Anime is a niche genre domestically. I assumed it might be more familiar to a foreign audience. But no way this is going to be profitable even including WW gross.
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Post by neymarjr on Apr 8, 2017 0:01:59 GMT
It's sad to see that it flopped big time on box office.
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Post by darkpast on Apr 8, 2017 0:04:48 GMT
they should have made the movie for 50m, not well over 100m
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Post by chatterer on Apr 9, 2017 14:55:54 GMT
they should have made the movie for 50m, not well over 100m Does Battle Angel Alita (2018) have a chance with a estimated 200 million budget?
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Post by politicidal on Apr 9, 2017 15:49:40 GMT
they should have made the movie for 50m, not well over 100m Does Battle Angel Alita (2018) have a chance with a estimated 200 million budget? if it has the greatest trailer ever made then yeah maybe.
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Post by brokenbow on Apr 9, 2017 20:37:20 GMT
they should have made the movie for 50m, not well over 100m Does Battle Angel Alita (2018) have a chance with a estimated 200 million budget? Yes because Jim Cameron's name will be attached, at least I think.
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Post by medjay on Apr 14, 2017 12:01:00 GMT
they should have made the movie for 50m, not well over 100m Does Battle Angel Alita (2018) have a chance with a estimated 200 million budget? So many things can change until it comes out...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 16:52:32 GMT
Pfft, gogoschka1 puts it quite well. It's unlikely it was the whole 'whitewashing' element. Let them try again and not use a cliche ridden story for a change. Let them try to respect the original stories and not make just another run-of-the-mill action nonsense movie. Ghost in the Shell isn't necessarily the peak of originality or brilliance, but it sure as heck offered more than this utterly disappointing movie.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Apr 22, 2017 8:37:36 GMT
Good. It was a pretty shell of a movie and that's about it.
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Post by luketargaryen on Apr 25, 2017 15:43:14 GMT
It will lose big money on China because of the whitewashing factor.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 28, 2017 5:18:05 GMT
they should have made the movie for 50m, not well over 100m But it looks awesome. Maybe if will be a classic in ten or twenty years. It looks good, the story is ok if not good, and Scarlett was also impressing - imho. I'm tired of these fan-boys who fail to see the point. And I have to read teh article, but by now it is 100m vs. 160m (ok, marketing etc. included, but also the DVDs, blu-ray sales etc. pp.) hence it should be more or less even.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 28, 2017 5:21:32 GMT
It will lose big money on China because of the whitewashing factor. The Chinese hate the Japanese. And Japanese even prefer a white character over a Chinese or Korean one. Maybe it is the Japanese origin that is the problem - in China. This whitewashing topic was political correctness BS of the Anglo-American space only.
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Post by medjay on Apr 29, 2017 10:23:01 GMT
It will lose big money on China because of the whitewashing factor. Like they give a fuck.
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Post by petrolino on Apr 29, 2017 17:19:46 GMT
Big loss.
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Post by bluerisk on May 4, 2017 16:14:59 GMT
It is heading for 170 million.
With all the other ways to cash in the 60 million are BS.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 4, 2017 18:05:21 GMT
Yeah people need to stop confusing box office with profit. Double the production budget at the global box office is considered a box office success i.e. worthy of a sequel and worth putting on your resume if you were involved in making it.
But the profits come from outside the theater. Home video, streaming, and TV rights is where the money is.
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Post by egon1982 on Oct 27, 2017 7:59:06 GMT
I doubt it really was the casting that was ultimately responsible for Ghost in the Shell's failure: this film should never have been made on such a big scale in the first place. A more daring (and possibly R-rated) film with a budget half that size could have been a critical and probably also financial success. Ghost in the Shell is a typical example for Hollywod's current tendency (Logan and Deadpool excluded) to try to reshape every IP it can get its hands on into a big-budget film for a mainstream audience (a so called "4-quadrant film which works for both male/female kids and both male/female adults). But not every IP lends itself to be this kind of blockbuster, and studios really should know better by now, after they failed miserably in their attempt to redo formerly adult oriented material like Total Recall, Robocop and Terminator as sanitized, dumbed down mass entertainment. The main reason why those tentpoles are often so sterile and "harmless" isn't so much the MPAA with their weird restrictions for a PG-13 rating, but how studios view their PG-13 tentpoles and what they expect from them. Many people don’t realize that a significant chunk of the audience for a typical PG-13 blockbuster are children aged 6-12 years (or younger; there is no age restriction for PG-13 films, and not even small children are legally required to be accompanied by an adult if they want to see a PG-13 film). And the studios are very much aware of this, in fact, they even rely heavily on that very demographic with their projected box office calculations. So if the film has to aim for a PG-13 rating, the studio will demand a simple plot from the writers even very young kids can follow (unless the filmmaker has the kind of creative control guys like Spielberg, Nolan, Jackson or Cameron have). The original 'Ghost in the Shell' was decidedly not for children: it was a dark, complex and deeply philosophical masterpiece of cyberpunk, and to be fair, the filmmakers tried to keep that dark vibe in the new version. But due to the studio's demand to have a 4-quadrant movie, they were not able to keep the complex, deep themes and story. The result is a film which is too weird and dark for kids and young teenagers (who are used to watching more straight forward Marvel/DC types of sci-fi/action), but it's too simple and derivative for adults (especially for fans of the original). Lesson for Hollywood: Don't remake Akira as a PG-13 (intended) franchise starter on a budget of over 100 million dollars. Do you think The Matrix is already live-action GITS?
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