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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 14, 2019 21:21:44 GMT
Back in 2014, the Fox X-Men franchise seemed like it was at the top of its game. DoFP was not only the best reviewed X-Men film at the time, but it managed to make over $700 million worldwide, at a point when the previous highest grossing X-Men film couldn’t even crack $500 million. Hell, it managed to make more money than TASM2 and TWS (worldwide), which not many people saw coming. Not only that, but the film appeared to have effectively given the franchise a clean slate without rebooting the whole thing altogether.
I distinctly remembered walking out of the theater for DoFP and hearing some people talking about how excited they were for X-Men: Apocalypse. It really seemed like Fox was on a roll at that point. If someone at the time had told me that Fox would get bought out by Disney before the end of the decade, I would’ve laughed at that person right to their face. Life is unpredictable like that I suppose.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 14, 2019 21:31:35 GMT
It's called
OVER-SATURATION.
Disney doesn't care because
they invest all the money to
hype it up and pretend it
is a popular success even if it isn't.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 14, 2019 23:24:40 GMT
It's called
OVER-SATURATION. Disney doesn't care because they invest all the money to hype it up and pretend it is a popular success even if it isn't. Over-saturation wasn’t the problem. There were no X-Men films released in 2015, and not counting the Deadpool movies, there have only been two other X-Men related films since DoFP.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 14, 2019 23:53:29 GMT
Over-saturation wasn’t the problem. There were no X-Men films released in 2015, and not counting the Deadpool movies, there have only been two other X-Men related films since DoFP. 1 a year is over-saturation.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 14, 2019 23:57:22 GMT
It's called
OVER-SATURATION. Disney doesn't care because they invest all the money to hype it up and pretend it is a popular success even if it isn't. Over-saturation wasn’t the problem. There were no X-Men films released in 2015, and not counting the Deadpool movies, there have only been two other X-Men related films since DoFP. That and Disney didn't even release the XMEN movies so why blame them for it?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 15, 2019 9:12:32 GMT
It's called
OVER-SATURATION. Disney doesn't care because they invest all the money to hype it up and pretend it is a popular success even if it isn't. Over-saturation wasn’t the problem. There were no X-Men films released in 2015, and not counting the Deadpool movies, there have only been two other X-Men related films since DoFP. And the last one was nominated for a screenplay Oscar. So what is the problem? You saying it has fallen after that nomination is kinda silly.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 15, 2019 9:20:55 GMT
Back in 2014, the Fox X-Men franchise seemed like it was at the top of its game. DoFP was not only the best reviewed X-Men film at the time, but it managed to make over $700 million worldwide, at a point when the previous highest grossing X-Men film couldn’t even crack $500 million. Hell, it managed to make more money than TASM2 and TWS (worldwide), which not many people saw coming. Not only that, but the film appeared to have effectively given the franchise a clean slate without rebooting the whole thing altogether. I distinctly remembered walking out of the theater for DoFP and hearing some people talking about how excited they were for X-Men: Apocalypse. It really seemed like Fox was on a roll at that point. If someone at the time had told me that Fox would get bought out by Disney before the end of the decade, I would’ve laughed at that person right to their face. Life is unpredictable like that I suppose. Because of inflation. X2 and X3 sold more domestic tickets than DOFP, around Spider-Man: Homecoming and Aquaman. www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=superhero.htm&adjust_yr=1&p=.htmSo they would have easily made over 500 million with today’s ticket prices and likely over 600 million.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 15, 2019 12:33:27 GMT
Back in 2014, the Fox X-Men franchise seemed like it was at the top of its game. DoFP was not only the best reviewed X-Men film at the time, but it managed to make over $700 million worldwide, at a point when the previous highest grossing X-Men film couldn’t even crack $500 million. Hell, it managed to make more money than TASM2 and TWS (worldwide), which not many people saw coming. Not only that, but the film appeared to have effectively given the franchise a clean slate without rebooting the whole thing altogether. I distinctly remembered walking out of the theater for DoFP and hearing some people talking about how excited they were for X-Men: Apocalypse. It really seemed like Fox was on a roll at that point. If someone at the time had told me that Fox would get bought out by Disney before the end of the decade, I would’ve laughed at that person right to their face. Life is unpredictable like that I suppose. They made a corporate mistake in going with a new set of younger actors and continuing with prequels. The original trilogy cast had box office pull and a strong connection with the audience that the new cast simply never was going to have. And doing Apocalypse vs a newly formed young Xmen team was silly (thanks Kinberg). Had they not took the cheap option and hired newbie actors we might still have the xmen today. Imagine this cast up against The Apocalypse  
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 15, 2019 14:49:12 GMT
Back in 2014, the Fox X-Men franchise seemed like it was at the top of its game. DoFP was not only the best reviewed X-Men film at the time, but it managed to make over $700 million worldwide, at a point when the previous highest grossing X-Men film couldn’t even crack $500 million. Hell, it managed to make more money than TASM2 and TWS (worldwide), which not many people saw coming. Not only that, but the film appeared to have effectively given the franchise a clean slate without rebooting the whole thing altogether. I distinctly remembered walking out of the theater for DoFP and hearing some people talking about how excited they were for X-Men: Apocalypse. It really seemed like Fox was on a roll at that point. If someone at the time had told me that Fox would get bought out by Disney before the end of the decade, I would’ve laughed at that person right to their face. Life is unpredictable like that I suppose. Because of inflation. X2 and X3 sold more domestic tickets than DOFP, around Spider-Man: Homecoming and Aquaman. www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=superhero.htm&adjust_yr=1&p=.htmSo they would have easily made over 500 million with today’s ticket prices and likely over 600 million. I’m aware that inflation is a factor, but the point is that DoFP managed to make a lot of money overseas. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 20, 2019 3:41:20 GMT
Back in 2014, the Fox X-Men franchise seemed like it was at the top of its game. DoFP was not only the best reviewed X-Men film at the time, but it managed to make over $700 million worldwide, at a point when the previous highest grossing X-Men film couldn’t even crack $500 million. Hell, it managed to make more money than TASM2 and TWS (worldwide), which not many people saw coming. Not only that, but the film appeared to have effectively given the franchise a clean slate without rebooting the whole thing altogether. I distinctly remembered walking out of the theater for DoFP and hearing some people talking about how excited they were for X-Men: Apocalypse. It really seemed like Fox was on a roll at that point. If someone at the time had told me that Fox would get bought out by Disney before the end of the decade, I would’ve laughed at that person right to their face. Life is unpredictable like that I suppose. They made a corporate mistake in going with a new set of younger actors and continuing with prequels. The original trilogy cast had box office pull and a strong connection with the audience that the new cast simply never was going to have. And doing Apocalypse vs a newly formed young Xmen team was silly (thanks Kinberg). Had they not took the cheap option and hired newbie actors we might still have the xmen today. Imagine this cast up against The Apocalypse They all would have died very quickly. Well, except for Logan. He's the star and would have defeated Apocalypse.
Also, the point of DoFP was to kill off the OT for the new cast.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 20, 2019 3:55:14 GMT
They made a corporate mistake in going with a new set of younger actors and continuing with prequels. The original trilogy cast had box office pull and a strong connection with the audience that the new cast simply never was going to have. And doing Apocalypse vs a newly formed young Xmen team was silly (thanks Kinberg). Had they not took the cheap option and hired newbie actors we might still have the xmen today. Imagine this cast up against The Apocalypse They all would have died very quickly. Well, except for Logan. He's the star and would have defeated Apocalypse.
Also, the point of DoFP was to kill off the OT for the new cast.
Actually, the point was more so to retcon The Last Stand.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 20, 2019 3:59:37 GMT
They all would have died very quickly. Well, except for Logan. He's the star and would have defeated Apocalypse.
Also, the point of DoFP was to kill off the OT for the new cast.
Actually, the point was more so to retcon The Last Stand. And in doing so they killed off everything after 1972. So killing off the OT. Now if they made the past part take place just after X2, or even during X1 (Kelly getting kidnapped), then you can say it was to retcon X3.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 20, 2019 20:03:01 GMT
They all would have died very quickly. Well, except for Logan. He's the star and would have defeated Apocalypse. [/div]
Also, the point of DoFP was to kill off the OT for the new cast.[/quote] Wolverine would likely have been a horseman. And youre only saying they would have killed everyone else based on X3 which Singer never made. X2 is a good ensemble movie, leans on Wolverine moreso at expensive of Cyke but still balances lotta the cast well The point was that fans wanted to see the original cast up against Apocalypse, not new young members. Thats why the box office for Apocalypse was low |
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2019 1:49:53 GMT
They all would have died very quickly. Well, except for Logan. He's the star and would have defeated Apocalypse. Also, the point of DoFP was to kill off the OT for the new cast. Wolverine would likely have been a horseman. And youre only saying they would have killed everyone else based on X3 which Singer never made. X2 is a good ensemble movie, leans on Wolverine moreso at expensive of Cyke but still balances lotta the cast well The point was that fans wanted to see the original cast up against Apocalypse, not new young members. Thats why the box office for Apocalypse was low Nah, the movie being bad was the reason the box office was low.
Wolverine would have likely been the hero. They had their moments in X2, but everyone looked to Logan. Every scene was "What does Wolverine think of this?" With Cyclops missing, Storm was suppose to be the leader. Didn't work out that way. And why would X3 be the reason I think they all would have died when DoFP is a better example?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 21, 2019 3:43:59 GMT
Wolverine would likely have been a horseman. And youre only saying they would have killed everyone else based on X3 which Singer never made. X2 is a good ensemble movie, leans on Wolverine moreso at expensive of Cyke but still balances lotta the cast well The point was that fans wanted to see the original cast up against Apocalypse, not new young members. Thats why the box office for Apocalypse was low Nah, the movie being bad was the reason the box office was low.
Wolverine would have likely been the hero. They had their moments in X2, but everyone looked to Logan. Every scene was "What does Wolverine think of this?" With Cyclops missing, Storm was suppose to be the leader. Didn't work out that way. And why would X3 be the reason I think they all would have died when DoFP is a better example?
More like mediocre than bad. It would have gotten razzie nominations if it was generally thought of as bad.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 21, 2019 8:35:16 GMT
Wolverine would likely have been a horseman. And youre only saying they would have killed everyone else based on X3 which Singer never made. X2 is a good ensemble movie, leans on Wolverine moreso at expensive of Cyke but still balances lotta the cast well The point was that fans wanted to see the original cast up against Apocalypse, not new young members. Thats why the box office for Apocalypse was low Nah, the movie being bad was the reason the box office was low.
Wolverine would have likely been the hero. They had their moments in X2, but everyone looked to Logan. Every scene was "What does Wolverine think of this?" With Cyclops missing, Storm was suppose to be the leader. Didn't work out that way. And why would X3 be the reason I think they all would have died when DoFP is a better example?
The movie had very low opening weekend which has nothing to do with quality. There was little hype because everyone was recast. Well they killed people in X3 from beginning through middle and end, namely cyclops prif X and Jean in that order. DOFP everyone "died" at the climax but then reborn in the new timeline immediately |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 21, 2019 9:24:02 GMT
I mean honestly X3 shouldn't have been rushed out. It's just another example of Studio greed and it cost us a storyline that had a lot of potential (Mutant Cure)
Replacing Singer with Ratner was such a stupid fucking idea to begin with.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 21, 2019 17:42:17 GMT
Nah, the movie being bad was the reason the box office was low.
Wolverine would have likely been the hero. They had their moments in X2, but everyone looked to Logan. Every scene was "What does Wolverine think of this?" With Cyclops missing, Storm was suppose to be the leader. Didn't work out that way. And why would X3 be the reason I think they all would have died when DoFP is a better example?
The movie had very low opening weekend which has nothing to do with quality. There was little hype because everyone was recast. Well they killed people in X3 from beginning through middle and end, namely cyclops prif X and Jean in that order. DOFP everyone "died" at the climax but then reborn in the new timeline immediately Most people who watch these movies are kids who weren’t around for the original trilogy. Professor X didn’t die.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2019 23:09:36 GMT
Nah, the movie being bad was the reason the box office was low.
Wolverine would have likely been the hero. They had their moments in X2, but everyone looked to Logan. Every scene was "What does Wolverine think of this?" With Cyclops missing, Storm was suppose to be the leader. Didn't work out that way. And why would X3 be the reason I think they all would have died when DoFP is a better example?
The movie had very low opening weekend which has nothing to do with quality. There was little hype because everyone was recast. Well they killed people in X3 from beginning through middle and end, namely cyclops prif X and Jean in that order. DOFP everyone "died" at the climax but then reborn in the new timeline immediately They also died at the beginning of the movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2019 23:14:45 GMT
I mean honestly X3 shouldn't have been rushed out. It's just another example of Studio greed and it cost us a storyline that had a lot of potential (Mutant Cure) Replacing Singer with Ratner was such a stupid fucking idea to begin with. The problem was that it wasn't rushed out. Rothman was sitting on his hands because he hated genre movies and wanted comic book movies to die. Singer got tired of waiting on him to okay X3, so he went to do Superman instead. Rothman then okayed X3 to spite Singer and tried to get it out before Superman Returns.
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