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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 27, 2019 22:17:04 GMT
Posters here (some of y'all at least) are so odd. Grown ass adult women that go to a hotel room at 3 am for an "audition" and then suck a dick and then years later cry about it are somehow victims. A CHILD of 12 who is given drugs and booze and then raped by Polanski is not only NOT a victim in the eyes of the more idiotic posters but more to blame somehow than creepy child rapist Roman. White folks (some of them) are terrifying in their lack of compassion and bat shit crazy ideas of morality. #whitefolksarescary #notallwhitefolkstho #streamamovieinsteadofrapingachild I love Polanski's movies but he is a huge pile of shit as a person. Apparently many of y'all don't understand this FACT but it's WRONG to have sex with children. It's WRONG to have sex with a person of any age that is drunk out of their minds. Who needs to be told these things? Sociopaths. And for some of you to actually think Polanski is a victim here. Loathsome and proves my suspicion that some here want to rape children and be given a free pass. Manson despite never actually murdering anyone is worse than pedo Polanski tho. Who has ever said they were not moved by the tragedy of what happened to Sharon Tate? Provide a link to someone on this site saying that. It's horrifying and heart breaking. Still doesn't give her husband a free pass to rape kids tho. You get a free pass to be an ass 
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Post by hi224 on Apr 27, 2019 22:23:26 GMT
If you post there it'd help that board with traction Only if being followed by another poster perhaps. Politics, RFS, general discussion, film general and soapbox are the best exposure. Well I'll totally follow as well. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 27, 2019 22:33:25 GMT
Only if being followed by another poster perhaps. Politics, RFS, general discussion, film general and soapbox are the best exposure. Well I'll totally follow as well. I'm scared, a stalker.....  
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Post by hi224 on Apr 27, 2019 22:35:57 GMT
Well I'll totally follow as well. I'm scared, a stalker..... Ha. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Apr 28, 2019 20:48:04 GMT
Posters here (some of y'all at least) are so odd. Grown ass adult women that go to a hotel room at 3 am for an "audition" and then suck a dick and then years later cry about it are somehow victims. A CHILD of 12 who is given drugs and booze and then raped by Polanski is not only NOT a victim in the eyes of the more idiotic posters but more to blame somehow than creepy child rapist Roman. White folks (some of them) are terrifying in their lack of compassion and bat shit crazy ideas of morality. #whitefolksarescary #notallwhitefolkstho #streamamovieinsteadofrapingachild I love Polanski's movies but he is a huge pile of shit as a person. Apparently many of y'all don't understand this FACT but it's WRONG to have sex with children. It's WRONG to have sex with a person of any age that is drunk out of their minds. Who needs to be told these things? Sociopaths. And for some of you to actually think Polanski is a victim here. Loathsome and proves my suspicion that some here want to rape children and be given a free pass. Manson despite never actually murdering anyone is worse than pedo Polanski tho. Who has ever said they were not moved by the tragedy of what happened to Sharon Tate? Provide a link to someone on this site saying that. It's horrifying and heart breaking. Still doesn't give her husband a free pass to rape kids tho. What took you so long?
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Post by dirtypillows on Apr 28, 2019 20:50:40 GMT
Oh, no, you didn't!!! (Gotta love the Baby Jane sausage curls LVH is sporting! Damn. And she was pretty, too. What a waste.)
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Post by dirtypillows on Apr 28, 2019 21:01:06 GMT
why “was”? he is still alive. and not really qualify as an outright bad a person in my book from what i know cannot even comprehend why someone would want to in any way ask this question, to compare Manson and Polanski. I know, Nora. My awkward attempt at trying to get at something. I have always believed that RP was a victim. He was not only a victim of the Holocaust (lost mother and sisters) AND lost his wife and unborn son to extreme violence. But so many people will only focus on his statutory rape conviction. I don't believe it. I don't trust these people and I don't believe them. Having sex with a minor is upsetting and it is wrong to the extent that it robs the young person of the innocent and trusting nature that accompanies (and SHOULD accompany) youth. People are naturally protective towards their own experience as a young person, and child molesters make them see red. I get that. But, first - I don't believe that Samantha Geimer was totally innocent, re: Lolita, and second - Roman Polanski suffered so much extreme trauma in his life and I think sometimes a free pass is warranted. And if anybody deserves this special consideration, it is Roman Polanski. But people are irrational sheep and never mind the awful things that happened to RP, no, never mind that his unborn child was practically cut out of the mother's stomach, no, what RP did to SG was much, much worse. Never mind the Holocaust. I want to rock their misplaced focus. So, that's what this is about, for me. Toasted Cheese has been going to bat for me on this one for a long time. He has been a good friend!
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Post by dirtypillows on Apr 28, 2019 21:12:22 GMT
Posters here (some of y'all at least) are so odd. Grown ass adult women that go to a hotel room at 3 am for an "audition" and then suck a dick and then years later cry about it are somehow victims. A CHILD of 12 who is given drugs and booze and then raped by Polanski is not only NOT a victim in the eyes of the more idiotic posters but more to blame somehow than creepy child rapist Roman. White folks (some of them) are terrifying in their lack of compassion and bat shit crazy ideas of morality. #whitefolksarescary #notallwhitefolkstho #streamamovieinsteadofrapingachild I love Polanski's movies but he is a huge pile of shit as a person. Apparently many of y'all don't understand this FACT but it's WRONG to have sex with children. It's WRONG to have sex with a person of any age that is drunk out of their minds. Who needs to be told these things? Sociopaths. And for some of you to actually think Polanski is a victim here. Loathsome and proves my suspicion that some here want to rape children and be given a free pass. Manson despite never actually murdering anyone is worse than pedo Polanski tho. Who has ever said they were not moved by the tragedy of what happened to Sharon Tate? Provide a link to someone on this site saying that. It's horrifying and heart breaking. Still doesn't give her husband a free pass to rape kids tho. So, do you believe in showing mercy and forgiveness to somebody whom you personally don't like? I agree that I've never read a post that actually said that what happened to Sharon Tate and unborn Stephen was not horrible and tragic. So, you are right about that. But many people have posted that Roman Polanski is a terrible person and for reasons that I can only speculate, the fact that he WAS A VICTIM of both the HOLOCAUST and Charles Manson "family" seems to slide right past their radar. And I do believe that these posters are more focused on and more outraged by what Polanski did in 1977 then everything that came before, and this is due to their own tunnel vision and personal issues. Man's capacity to judge his fellow man is really on gross display here, and I think it's a terrible, terrible shame. I really think it's akin to blood lust. I do think that mercy and compassion and forgiveness should be afforded to people - and this is my own judgment call here, and I know this is a person to person thing - and I think Roman Polanski is one person who definitely qualifies for the so-called "free pass" program. Put yourself in his shoes, if you have the courage and the heart to do so.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 29, 2019 4:23:08 GMT
why “was”? he is still alive. and not really qualify as an outright bad a person in my book from what i know cannot even comprehend why someone would want to in any way ask this question, to compare Manson and Polanski. I know, Nora. My awkward attempt at trying to get at something. I have always believed that RP was a victim. He was not only a victim of the Holocaust (lost mother and sisters) AND lost his wife and unborn son to extreme violence. But so many people will only focus on his statutory rape conviction. I don't believe it. I don't trust these people and I don't believe them. Having sex with a minor is upsetting and it is wrong to the extent that it robs the young person of the innocent and trusting nature that accompanies (and SHOULD accompany) youth. People are naturally protective towards their own experience as a young person, and child molesters make them see red. I get that. But, first - I don't believe that Samantha Geimer was totally innocent, re: Lolita, and second - Roman Polanski suffered so much extreme trauma in his life and I think sometimes a free pass is warranted. And if anybody deserves this special consideration, it is Roman Polanski. But people are irrational sheep and never mind the awful things that happened to RP, no, never mind that his unborn child was practically cut out of the mother's stomach, no, what RP did to SG was much, much worse. Never mind the Holocaust. I want to rock their misplaced focus. So, that's what this is about, for me. Toasted Cheese has been going to bat for me on this one for a long time. He has been a good friend! You word things eloquently, emphatically and with honest feeling. You are not coming from a space of displaced aggression or distorted perspectives, but more so, surrounding yourself with truth and compassion. You consider the whole picture and don't spout off just for the sake of it. You are a beautiful soul and don't let anyone else tell you any different.
I have commented enough about this topic, but people will see what they want too, even if it is through fuzzy and crap smeared lenses. Haters gonna hate, but that is their right as well. They just lack common sense reasoning.
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 29, 2019 10:32:45 GMT
Polanski knowingly committed a crime and should have accepted his punishment but Manson easily wins this contest.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 29, 2019 19:24:13 GMT
Polanski knowingly committed a crime and should have accepted his punishment but Manson easily wins this contest. What punishment should he have accepted? He pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor because he refused to plead guilty to the rape charges. Had it gone to trial, the evidence would not have held up too strongly. The DA knew this and it saved a lot of embarrassment for all involved, including the legally unethical judge presiding over the case. Under a plea deal, Polanski was sentenced 90 days incarceration. He spent around 42 days under psychiatric valuation and they let him go. Why? They already had him locked up.
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 29, 2019 20:53:06 GMT
Polanski knowingly committed a crime and should have accepted his punishment but Manson easily wins this contest. What punishment should he have accepted? He pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor because he refused to plead guilty to the rape charges. Had it gone to trial, the evidence would not have held up too strongly. The DA knew this and it saved a lot of embarrassment for all involved, including the legally unethical judge presiding over the case. Under a plea deal, Polanski was sentenced 90 days incarceration. He spent around 42 days under psychiatric valuation and they let him go. Why? They already had him locked up.
So why did he run? Why doesn’t he want to return? He should have stayed because the people who supported and championed him and financed his films would still have done the same after he came out of prison, wouldn’t they?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 30, 2019 2:17:59 GMT
What punishment should he have accepted? He pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor because he refused to plead guilty to the rape charges. Had it gone to trial, the evidence would not have held up too strongly. The DA knew this and it saved a lot of embarrassment for all involved, including the legally unethical judge presiding over the case. Under a plea deal, Polanski was sentenced 90 days incarceration. He spent around 42 days under psychiatric valuation and they let him go. Why? They already had him locked up.
So why did he run? Why doesn’t he want to return? He should have stayed because the people who supported and championed him and financed his films would still have done the same after he came out of prison, wouldn’t they? He ran because he was released before his final sentencing trial. He had had enough of the bulls<>t games they were playing. What do you think would have happened if he didn't abscond? Rittenband's behavior as a judge could have had him disbarred. Polanski did him a favor. I wouldn't be surprised if he was given some clandestine passage to leave. There was corruption from all parties involved. He was apparently going to be deported at Rittenband's behest anyway. Rittenband also claimed he was going to sentence him to 50yrs prison as well, which does appear absurd.
wiki linkIf Polanski's plea deal was able to be over-turned after the fact, which was the main ethical legality issue with Rittenband, could Polanski change his plea then to not guilty?
If Polanski went back to the States, all they could really nab him for is perverting the course of justice. The guilty plea he entered and the deal arranged would still stand. They do not really want him back, because of the can of worms it will open. Geimer was not a traumatized victim and was not a good witness due to her alleged previous sexual exploits with older men. All she had in her favor in the eyes of the law was her young age. She also had a bf at the time who was an adult, 19. She has forgiven Polanski, she kept in friendly touch with him—her vile rapist— and she wants him exonerated and for very good reason.
The thing that I am most curious about and only Polanski would know this and it doesn't appear to have been mentioned in what I have read; did he know Geimer's real age? Did he ask her how old she was? Did her mother at any stage tell Polanski how old she was? How old did Geimer tell Polanski she was?
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 30, 2019 8:26:06 GMT
So why did he run? Why doesn’t he want to return? He should have stayed because the people who supported and championed him and financed his films would still have done the same after he came out of prison, wouldn’t they? He ran because he was released before his final sentencing trial. He had had enough of the bulls<>t games they were playing. What do you think would have happened if he didn't abscond? Rittenband's behavior as a judge could have had him disbarred. Polanski did him a favor. I wouldn't be surprised if he was given some clandestine passage to leave. There was corruption from all parties involved. He was apparently going to be deported at Rittenband's behest anyway. Rittenband also claimed he was going to sentence him to 50yrs prison as well, which does appear absurd.
wiki linkIf Polanski's plea deal was able to be over-turned after the fact, which was the main ethical legality issue with Rittenband, could Polanski change his plea then to not guilty? If Polanski went back to the States, all they could really nab him for is perverting the course of justice. The guilty plea he entered and the deal arranged would still stand. They do not really want him back, because of the can of worms it will open. Geimer was not a traumatized victim and was not a good witness due to her alleged previous sexual exploits with older men. All she had in her favor in the eyes of the law was her young age. She also had a bf at the time who was an adult, 19. She has forgiven Polanski, she kept in friendly touch with him—her vile rapist— and she wants him exonerated and for very good reason. The thing that I am most curious about and only Polanski would know this and it doesn't appear to have been mentioned in what I have read; did he know Geimer's real age? Did he ask her how old she was? Did her mother at any stage tell Polanski how old she was? How old did Geimer tell Polanski she was?
All the more reason to stay. The sentence would have been overturned and I very much doubt he’d have gotten 50 years.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 30, 2019 10:06:48 GMT
He ran because he was released before his final sentencing trial. He had had enough of the bulls<>t games they were playing. What do you think would have happened if he didn't abscond? Rittenband's behavior as a judge could have had him disbarred. Polanski did him a favor. I wouldn't be surprised if he was given some clandestine passage to leave. There was corruption from all parties involved. He was apparently going to be deported at Rittenband's behest anyway. Rittenband also claimed he was going to sentence him to 50yrs prison as well, which does appear absurd.
wiki linkIf Polanski's plea deal was able to be over-turned after the fact, which was the main ethical legality issue with Rittenband, could Polanski change his plea then to not guilty? If Polanski went back to the States, all they could really nab him for is perverting the course of justice. The guilty plea he entered and the deal arranged would still stand. They do not really want him back, because of the can of worms it will open. Geimer was not a traumatized victim and was not a good witness due to her alleged previous sexual exploits with older men. All she had in her favor in the eyes of the law was her young age. She also had a bf at the time who was an adult, 19. She has forgiven Polanski, she kept in friendly touch with him—her vile rapist— and she wants him exonerated and for very good reason. The thing that I am most curious about and only Polanski would know this and it doesn't appear to have been mentioned in what I have read; did he know Geimer's real age? Did he ask her how old she was? Did her mother at any stage tell Polanski how old she was? How old did Geimer tell Polanski she was?
All the more reason to stay. The sentence would have been overturned and I very much doubt he’d have gotten 50 years. No, he wouldn't have gotten 50yrs, but that is not the essence or crux of the unethical legalities that were engaged in by the Californian justice system. It would have created more issues had he stayed and stirred the pot even more. They wanted him GONE, because it got way out of hand.
What happened and those that are asking for his hide, is really inconsequential and not of significance to them anyway. They just want to hate for the sake of it, and to Polanski, the big deal that it was being made out to be, was not that a big deal in context to the other experiences of his life and that is the point of this thread. He left the US, and that was in the best interests of all.
Even if Polanski had stayed and got more prison time, would it change how others choose to feel about him? They would still be braying for his blood.
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Post by llanwydd on Apr 30, 2019 18:50:30 GMT
I haven't taken anyone's word about either of them.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 13, 2019 18:00:46 GMT
why “was”? he is still alive. and not really qualify as an outright bad a person in my book from what i know cannot even comprehend why someone would want to in any way ask this question, to compare Manson and Polanski. Well if Polanski tried to get you drunk, photograph you naked and anally rape you when you were thirteen you might feel differently.
But I still said Manson. Polanski was trying to get some ass, but Mansons actions led to murders.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 13, 2019 20:13:04 GMT
Basically they're both scumbags, but for the sake of this thread we're choosing which is MORE scumbaggy. Manson. But they're both scumbags.
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Post by cryptoflovecraft on Jun 13, 2019 21:56:30 GMT
I think Charlie was just a misunderstood philosopher-cum-folk musician; he never ordered anyone to be murdered.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 7:53:00 GMT
Charles Manson. From what I heard he was a massive hypocrite who was originally a peace loving hippie that didn't like things like things like fame, power and money 'cause he believed they divided people and everybody should be equal but when his music career flopped despite having the help of Dennis Wilson from the Beach Boys fame, power and money was all he cared about and it was why he got people to kill for him. Other than him I think Henry Lee Lucas is probably one of the worst human beings of all time and I read he killed over 1000 people moving from town to town and that is more than any terrorist or mass shooter in history and is insane. 
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