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Post by jamescfinn on Apr 20, 2019 19:18:44 GMT
He got me banned from here before Xmas. He knows that I am a Tottenham supporter and he continually calls them "Spuds" to antagonise me. So I got fed up and attacked him, he called me a "nonce", and his usual gutter vitriol, then finally reporting me like a coward. He's a useless shitposter. I actually think he's a sock account of Carl La Fong - similar social inept weirdo. Everyone calls Spuds Spuds ya bad nonce. Yes, go back to watching your paedophile club. Big Jock Knew!
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 20, 2019 19:19:41 GMT
No, it isn't like that, either.
It's more like: a guy with 100 bucks in his pocket is walking down the street aimlessly with no particular goal, on the way passes several homeless families with charity baskets out, ignores them, sees a popular, rich celebrity fall down and break his wrist, calls him a cab to the hospital, pays for it himself, and makes sure everyone knows that he did it.
Well, if you want to compare the Notre-Dame cathedral fire to a rich celebrity falling and breaking his wrist. I reject that comparison. About 10-12 years back there were widespread protests in India regarding why a poor country like India was spending money on its own space program. The argument given was a very emotional one. That spend money on hungry kids. Of course, Indian government didn't back down. It turns out that ISRO went on to save 10,000 lives because of advances it made in satelite technologies. Recently, India launched 105 satelites on a single day and many of them were satelites for other countries. There were times when every natural disaster will wipe out many Indians. But we are so much better now with our space program coming to our aid and saving our lives.
ISRO is now considered as best space program when it comes to giving value for bucks. China's many times financially richer program failed to reach Mars whereas India was able to send spacecraft to Mars with a budget less than that of a Hollywood movie.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 19:23:59 GMT
Everyone calls Spuds Spuds ya bad nonce. Yes, go back to watching your paedophile club. Big Jock Knew! David Carter... Jailed for 12 years for child sexual abuse whilst head of security at Tottenham Hotspur for 20 years. Investigations by Operation Hydrant in to historic child sexual abuse at Spuds are ongoing. |
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Post by general313 on Apr 20, 2019 19:27:01 GMT
Of course you are, when you describe the Notre Dame Cathedral as just another "fucking building". No, I'm not. Either English is not your first language so you have an abysmal understanding of what "projecting" means, or you are philosophically illiterate. Take your pick.
No, I just think that stupid people should be called out as stupid people at every opportunity. It's one of my rules. And by the way: you don't even know what an ad hominem argument is. I didn't make one.
Just noticed that you edited this post of yours, removing the insult "shit for brains". I wonder what motivated you to do that? 
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Post by general313 on Apr 20, 2019 19:33:38 GMT
Well, if you want to compare the Notre-Dame cathedral fire to a rich celebrity falling and breaking his wrist. I reject that comparison. About 10-12 years back there were widespread protests in India regarding why a poor country like India was spending money on its own space program. The argument given was a very emotional one. That spend money on hungry kids. Of course, Indian government didn't back down. It turns out that ISRO went on to save 10,000 lives because of advances it made in satelite technologies. Recently, India launched 105 satelites on a single day and many of them were satelites for other countries. There were times when every natural disaster will wipe out many Indians. But we are so much better now with our space program coming to our aid and saving our lives.
ISRO is now considered as best space program when it comes to giving value for bucks. China's many times financially richer program failed to reach Mars whereas India was able to send spacecraft to Mars with a budget less than that of a Hollywood movie.
In the early 70's there was a similar backlash against the American space program, with calls to completely eliminate funding for NASA. It's such an ill-informed stance, as though the money is completely wasted and has no benefit to humans on Earth.
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Post by goz on Apr 20, 2019 22:53:28 GMT
Wow! PSA: I start a thread for discussion, stay out of it, go to bed and wake up to a shitstorm! On the one hand I am pleased that everyone has such valued and varied opinions, and on the other, it is sad that there is so much personal vitriol to the point of going off topic and bring other aboard arguments in and also personal health issues. As an atheist on this Board can I please just ask for a little more kindness, understanding and  I don't want to be a hypocrite or smartypants or  or tell you all how to post, butt as a recent victim of not-inconsequential bullying on this board for years I will just ask you to be more respectful, ignore the  and discuss a really important issue of the value of historical and spiritual things in society vs. the human physical needs. |
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Post by phludowin on Apr 21, 2019 0:21:20 GMT
So you can't prove it. I am not surprised. Try to imagine what it would be like "proving" that the Holocaust was immoral to a German Nazi in 1944 and you might perhaps figure out how impossibly stupid "proving" moral stances ultimately is--and why even asking for proof is basically something only a child does. Since I never asked to prove a moral stance, this is irrelevant. Your claim was that I don't have a moral compass. I asked you to prove that claim. You didn't. I believe that all people who are not sociopaths have a moral compass. Even Nazi officers, although I don't agree with theirs. Claiming that a moral compass doesn't exist or is broken, just because you don't agree with it, is extremely arrogant in my opinion. If you don't have enough empathy or sense of justice to see why what is being discussed is wrong, you don't possess the basic tools necessary for any kind of meaningful conversation on the subject. You just aren't a moral or ethical peer.
This reads like "something is wrong because it is wrong". Sounds like something someone who believes in absolute morality would say. In my opinion belief in absolute morality is as deluded as belief in conspiracy theories. People who believe them usually defend them strongly; although they have no solid evidence for them; but they want them to be true.
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Post by goz on Apr 21, 2019 1:09:27 GMT
Wow! PSA: I start a thread for discussion, stay out of it, go to bed and wake up to a shitstorm! On the one hand I am pleased that everyone has such valued and varied opinions, and on the other, it is sad that there is so much personal vitriol to the point of going off topic and bring other aboard arguments in and also personal health issues. As an atheist on this Board can I please just ask for a little more kindness, understanding and I don't want to be a hypocrite or smartypants or or tell you all how to post, butt as a recent victim of not-inconsequential bullying on this board for years I will just ask you to be more respectful, ignore the and discuss a really important issue of the value of historical and spiritual things in society vs. the human physical needs. I agree we should try to get the thread back on track. It's a good discussion to be had. But for what it's worth, I do believe AJ is using the "tough love" technique with Ned. I believe, AJ believes, this is the only way to get through to him. But I could be wrong, too. With respect, and I neither know nor care about the 'histories' here. From what has been posted, slinging insults at each other when there are mental health issues involved, helps NO-ONE.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 1:23:04 GMT
I don't really buy into what I call the "priorities" argument - what it boils down to is the idea that some disasters are more important than others (I buy that part), and that we should not attempt to solve any problem until we have solved the more important problems.
Yes, the money spent to rebuild the building could be spent to feed the poor. So could the money spent to build sports stadiums - are we to expect everyone to give up on professional sports until there is not a starving person in the world?
For that matter, the computer industry is worth hundreds of billions a year. Why did you buy a computer, why do you spend money on an internet connection, when you could have donated that money to the poor and starving?
The worldview implied here is that everyone should do without every luxury, everything but the basic bare essentials, until starvation no longer exists in the world. And why stop there? Once starvation is done, there's still AIDS and Cancer. There's still lack of education and unemployment. There's still war and crime. How dare you spend money on an iPhone when there's an uneducated child anywhere in the world? How dare you own a television whilst there are acts of violence, anywhere, ever?
I'm not suggesting that we can all just casually ignore the major problems of the world and live the high life. But IMO it's unreasonable to act like we should only tackle life one priority at a time.
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Post by goz on Apr 21, 2019 1:36:00 GMT
I don't really buy into what I call the "priorities" argument - what it boils down to is the idea that some disasters are more important than others (I buy that part), and that we should not attempt to solve any problem until we have solved the more important problems. Yes, the money spent to rebuild the building could be spent to feed the poor. So could the money spent to build sports stadiums - are we to expect everyone to give up on professional sports until there is not a starving person in the world? For that matter, the computer industry is worth hundreds of billions a year. Why did you buy a computer, why do you spend money on an internet connection, when you could have donated that money to the poor and starving? The worldview implied here is that everyone should do without every luxury, everything but the basic bare essentials, until starvation no longer exists in the world. And why stop there? Once starvation is done, there's still AIDS and Cancer. There's still lack of education and unemployment. There's still war and crime. How dare you spend money on an iPhone when there's an uneducated child anywhere in the world? How dare you own a television whilst there are acts of violence, anywhere, ever? I'm not suggesting that we can all just casually ignore the major problems of the world and live the high life. But IMO it's unreasonable to act like we should only tackle life one priority at a time. I 'liked' this post and fundamentally I agree HOWEVER this is an unusual event and it can be polarising as we have already seen on this thread. On one side we have Macron and the billionaires either trying to be seen as benefactors/altruistic and/or get political mileage out of this event and its rebuilding and on the other side those who are more humanistic when they see the HUGE amount of money involved. It might be a worthwhile (for both reasons above) exercise for Macron to take this opportunity to be a visionary leader to set up a joint benefit fund where for every euro raised half will go to the cathedral re-building and half to a WHO ( or equivalent) international poverty and benefit fund. It might mean that the Cathedral is re-built in ten years rather than five however it could be a good opportunity to have an overall benefit to the poor in the world and quite bonding. Were the Catholic Church to both support this and contribute might also be healing for them in these times of disgrace on other levels. Overall it is my belief that the contributions would be increased to a level where neither side suffered.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 1:45:45 GMT
I don't really buy into what I call the "priorities" argument - what it boils down to is the idea that some disasters are more important than others (I buy that part), and that we should not attempt to solve any problem until we have solved the more important problems. Yes, the money spent to rebuild the building could be spent to feed the poor. So could the money spent to build sports stadiums - are we to expect everyone to give up on professional sports until there is not a starving person in the world? For that matter, the computer industry is worth hundreds of billions a year. Why did you buy a computer, why do you spend money on an internet connection, when you could have donated that money to the poor and starving? The worldview implied here is that everyone should do without every luxury, everything but the basic bare essentials, until starvation no longer exists in the world. And why stop there? Once starvation is done, there's still AIDS and Cancer. There's still lack of education and unemployment. There's still war and crime. How dare you spend money on an iPhone when there's an uneducated child anywhere in the world? How dare you own a television whilst there are acts of violence, anywhere, ever? I'm not suggesting that we can all just casually ignore the major problems of the world and live the high life. But IMO it's unreasonable to act like we should only tackle life one priority at a time. I 'liked' this post and fundamentally I agree HOWEVER this is an unusual event and it can be polarising as we have already seen on this thread. On one side we have Macron and the billionaires either trying to be seen as benefactors/altruistic and/or get political mileage out of this event and its rebuilding and on the other side those who are more humanistic when they see the HUGE amount of money involved. It might be a worthwhile (for both reasons above) exercise for Macron to take this opportunity to be a visionary leader to set up a joint benefit fund where for every euro raised half will go to the cathedral re-building and half to a WHO ( or equivalent) international poverty and benefit fund. It might mean that the Cathedral is re-built in ten years rather than five however it could be a good opportunity to have an overall benefit to the poor in the world and quite bonding. Were the Catholic Church to both support this and contribute might also be healing for them in these times of disgrace on other levels. Overall it is my belief that the contributions would be increased to a level where neither side suffered. I'd be happy to see such a parallel fund established. But I maintain that if they don't do so, that's not any kind of moral failing by anyone.
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Post by goz on Apr 21, 2019 1:52:03 GMT
I 'liked' this post and fundamentally I agree HOWEVER this is an unusual event and it can be polarising as we have already seen on this thread. On one side we have Macron and the billionaires either trying to be seen as benefactors/altruistic and/or get political mileage out of this event and its rebuilding and on the other side those who are more humanistic when they see the HUGE amount of money involved. It might be a worthwhile (for both reasons above) exercise for Macron to take this opportunity to be a visionary leader to set up a joint benefit fund where for every euro raised half will go to the cathedral re-building and half to a WHO ( or equivalent) international poverty and benefit fund. It might mean that the Cathedral is re-built in ten years rather than five however it could be a good opportunity to have an overall benefit to the poor in the world and quite bonding. Were the Catholic Church to both support this and contribute might also be healing for them in these times of disgrace on other levels. Overall it is my belief that the contributions would be increased to a level where neither side suffered. I'd be happy to see such a parallel fund established. But I maintain that if they don't do so, that's not any kind of moral failing by anyone. I agree, however as a pragmatist I see it being a win/win situation and an unrepeatable opportunity. Some one should tell Macron. You are that side of the wold...do you know him?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 6:33:50 GMT
Wow! PSA: I start a thread for discussion, stay out of it, go to bed and wake up to a shitstorm! On the one hand I am pleased that everyone has such valued and varied opinions, and on the other, it is sad that there is so much personal vitriol to the point of going off topic and bring other aboard arguments in and also personal health issues. As an atheist on this Board can I please just ask for a little more kindness, understanding and I don't want to be a hypocrite or smartypants or or tell you all how to post, butt as a recent victim of not-inconsequential bullying on this board for years I will just ask you to be more respectful, ignore the and discuss a really important issue of the value of historical and spiritual things in society vs. the human physical needs. I agree we should try to get the thread back on track. It's a good discussion to be had. But for what it's worth, I do believe AJ is using the "tough love" technique with Ned. I believe, AJ believes, this is the only way to get through to him. But I could be wrong, too. You're kidding right? You have noticed he has gone apeshit, and I am trying to be a friend to him? |
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Post by goz on Apr 21, 2019 6:50:39 GMT
I agree we should try to get the thread back on track. It's a good discussion to be had. But for what it's worth, I do believe AJ is using the "tough love" technique with Ned. I believe, AJ believes, this is the only way to get through to him. But I could be wrong, too. You're kidding right? You have noticed he has gone apeshit, and I am trying to be a friend to him? ...erm...'turn the other cheek'?
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 21, 2019 6:52:06 GMT
About 10-12 years back there were widespread protests in India regarding why a poor country like India was spending money on its own space program. The argument given was a very emotional one. That spend money on hungry kids. Of course, Indian government didn't back down. It turns out that ISRO went on to save 10,000 lives because of advances it made in satelite technologies. Recently, India launched 105 satelites on a single day and many of them were satelites for other countries. There were times when every natural disaster will wipe out many Indians. But we are so much better now with our space program coming to our aid and saving our lives.
ISRO is now considered as best space program when it comes to giving value for bucks. China's many times financially richer program failed to reach Mars whereas India was able to send spacecraft to Mars with a budget less than that of a Hollywood movie.
In the early 70's there was a similar backlash against the American space program, with calls to completely eliminate funding for NASA. It's such an ill-informed stance, as though the money is completely wasted and has no benefit to humans on Earth. It has partly to do with general lack of understanding about how long term economic development works. Do you know about the term called "Dutch Disease"?
Dutch diseases refers to a condition in which a country that has huge amounts of natural resources suffers because of owing them. The country in question starts paying too much attention to the natural resources they have got and start exporting them to the world. Because of the high export their currency appreciates. The currency appreciation hurts the other sectors of that country as exports for them (other sector products) decline because the home country's currency has appreciated and thus those goods are now more expensive to outsiders. Thus, gift of vast natural resources turns into a curse. Things are not as easy in this world as simply taking money from one and giving to the other. By natural mechanism money goes to the entity who has the most efficient use of money. That said, year by year the real GDP of the world (not just nominal) has been increasing and so I would expect things to even out in time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 6:52:14 GMT
You're kidding right? You have noticed he has gone apeshit, and I am trying to be a friend to him? ...erm...'turn the other cheek'? I have... I have remained calm, and continually invited him to change tack. |
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Post by goz on Apr 21, 2019 7:05:48 GMT
...erm...'turn the other cheek'? I have... I have remained calm, and continually invited him to change tack. Look sweetpeas! I address this to both of you. ( and I love and respect you both) You BOTH are having mental health issues ( self admitted and good for you to admit it) and seek understanding. I have noticed that both of you are sometimes erratic in your moods and attitudes to others on here yet when you are both on your game you are some of this Board's best posters. GRUDGES....don't hold them when you often get on well and have similar interests. MOVE ON and let bygones be bygones.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 7:18:10 GMT
I have... I have remained calm, and continually invited him to change tack. Look sweetpeas! I address this to both of you. ( and I love and respect you both) You BOTH are having mental health issues ( self admitted and good for you to admit it) and seek understanding. I have noticed that both of you are sometimes erratic in your moods and attitudes to others on here yet when you are both on your game you are some of this Board's best posters. GRUDGES....don't hold them when you often get on well and have similar interests. MOVE ON and let bygones be bygones. Erratic moods... moi? I don't hold grudges by the way. Every day is a new day... and don't call me 'sweetpea' 🤨 |
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Post by goz on Apr 21, 2019 8:00:04 GMT
Look sweetpeas! I address this to both of you. ( and I love and respect you both) You BOTH are having mental health issues ( self admitted and good for you to admit it) and seek understanding. I have noticed that both of you are sometimes erratic in your moods and attitudes to others on here yet when you are both on your game you are some of this Board's best posters. GRUDGES....don't hold them when you often get on well and have similar interests. MOVE ON and let bygones be bygones. Erratic moods... moi? I don't hold grudges by the way. Every day is a new day... and don't call me 'sweetpea' 🤨 If you knew me for the last 17 years from the old boards until now, I call everyone I like 'sweetpea'! 
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 21, 2019 9:19:36 GMT
People already spend ridiculous amounts of money on artwork with inflated value but at least people get to share the beauty of cathedrals and churches. So feed the world but keep the portions at reasonable proportions so we can also afford nice looking buildings.
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