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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 18, 2019 20:31:13 GMT
Both of these characters were horribly wasted and killed off in a lame way in a bloated third installments of a trilogy. But who got it the worst?
I going to go with Phoenix in X3. At least Spider-Man’s Venom got to actually fight with the title hero while Phoenix never went toe to toe with any of the X-Men.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 18, 2019 22:10:56 GMT
Phoenix definitely. Jean Grey/Phoenix is arguably the most popular female Marvel character, so Fox screwing up her character is by far a bigger sin than screwing up Venom. Screwing up Venom is about on par with the MCU screwing up Mandarin.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 18, 2019 22:16:10 GMT
Phoenix definitely. Jean Grey/Phoenix is arguably the most popular female Marvel character, so Fox screwing up her character is by far a bigger sin than screwing up Venom. Screwing up Venom is about on par with the MCU screwing up Mandarin. She’s the most iconic but not the most popular. That title belongs to X-23 and before her it was between Storm or She-Hulk.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 18, 2019 22:33:47 GMT
Phoenix definitely. Jean Grey/Phoenix is arguably the most popular female Marvel character, so Fox screwing up her character is by far a bigger sin than screwing up Venom. Screwing up Venom is about on par with the MCU screwing up Mandarin. She’s the most iconic but not the most popular. That title belongs to X-23 and before her it was between Storm or She-Hulk. Nah, X-23 and She-Hulk are only known among comicbook fans. Jean Grey (and Storm) are known across a good number of regular audiences, not just comicbook readers. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 18, 2019 22:45:09 GMT
She’s the most iconic but not the most popular. That title belongs to X-23 and before her it was between Storm or She-Hulk. Nah, X-23 and She-Hulk are only known among comicbook fans. Jean Grey (and Storm) are known across a good number of regular audiences, not just comicbook readers. That just makes her more iconic. X-23 and She-Hulk’s comic series faired far better than Jean’s. Storm was popular enough to go toe to toe with Wonder Woman in the Marvel vs DC crossover. Jean is a character who has been dead for over a decade in comics until the Dark Phoenix movie was announced. Marvel wouldn’t keep a character dead that long if they really popular. And X-23 appeared in Logan, remember?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 22:50:28 GMT
Nah, X-23 and She-Hulk are only known among comicbook fans. Jean Grey (and Storm) are known across a good number of regular audiences, not just comicbook readers. That just makes her more iconic. X-23 and She-Hulk’s comic series faired far better than Jean’s. Storm was popular enough to go toe to toe with Wonder Woman in the Marvel vs DC crossover. Jean is a character who has been dead for over a decade in comics until the Dark Phoenix movie was announced. Marvel wouldn’t keep a character dead that long if they really popular. And X-23 appeared in Logan, remember? I also have to disagree. I liked Logan a lot and I didn't even know her name was X-23.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 18, 2019 22:52:53 GMT
Nah, X-23 and She-Hulk are only known among comicbook fans. Jean Grey (and Storm) are known across a good number of regular audiences, not just comicbook readers. That just makes her more iconic. X-23 and She-Hulk’s comic series faired far better than Jean’s. Storm was popular enough to go toe to toe with Wonder Woman in the Marvel vs DC crossover. Jean is a character who has been dead for over a decade in comics until the Dark Phoenix movie was announced. Marvel wouldn’t keep a character dead that long if they really popular. And X-23 appeared in Logan, remember? I think the main problem here is, you're limiting your criteria for "popularity" only within the comicbook community. When I talk "popularity", I'm including everyone, not just the comicbook community. The comicbook community is relatively small compared to those reached by the movies and TV shows. And outside the comicbook community, almost nobody knows who X-23 is.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 19, 2019 0:42:22 GMT
Phoenix.
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Post by James on Apr 19, 2019 2:58:07 GMT
I guess Phoenix, but I don’t have too much problems with both.
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Post by scabab on Apr 19, 2019 5:39:06 GMT
Venom because at that point he was the most popular Marvel villain around.
They could have had two good movies out of that storyline. One with Peter getting the Symbiote and then a follow up involving Venom. Maybe even a Spin-Off from that.
Instead it ended being one of the three plots in the one movie.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 21, 2019 22:35:21 GMT
That just makes her more iconic. X-23 and She-Hulk’s comic series faired far better than Jean’s. Storm was popular enough to go toe to toe with Wonder Woman in the Marvel vs DC crossover. Jean is a character who has been dead for over a decade in comics until the Dark Phoenix movie was announced. Marvel wouldn’t keep a character dead that long if they really popular. And X-23 appeared in Logan, remember? I think the main problem here is, you're limiting your criteria for "popularity" only within the comicbook community. When I talk "popularity", I'm including everyone, not just the comicbook community. The comicbook community is relatively small compared to those reached by the movies and TV shows. And outside the comicbook community, almost nobody knows who X-23 is. After appearing as a major character in a screenplay Oscar nominated film that mad over 600 million dollars?
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 21, 2019 22:51:36 GMT
I think the main problem here is, you're limiting your criteria for "popularity" only within the comicbook community. When I talk "popularity", I'm including everyone, not just the comicbook community. The comicbook community is relatively small compared to those reached by the movies and TV shows. And outside the comicbook community, almost nobody knows who X-23 is. After appearing as a major character in a screenplay Oscar nominated film that mad over 600 million dollars? Yup. Go ahead and ask around, ask people if they know who X-23 is. Don't tell them it was the little girl in Logan, just ask them if they know who X-23 is. Majority won't be able to recognize the name and match it with the little girl in Logan.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2019 23:22:33 GMT
After appearing as a major character in a screenplay Oscar nominated film that mad over 600 million dollars? Yup. Go ahead and ask around, ask people if they know who X-23 is. Don't tell them it was the little girl in Logan, just ask them if they know who X-23 is. Majority won't be able to recognize the name and match it with the little girl in Logan. I think both of you are wrong. The most popular female Marvel character is Mary Jane Watson.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 21, 2019 23:29:21 GMT
Yup. Go ahead and ask around, ask people if they know who X-23 is. Don't tell them it was the little girl in Logan, just ask them if they know who X-23 is. Majority won't be able to recognize the name and match it with the little girl in Logan. I think both of you are wrong. The most popular female Marvel character is Mary Jane Watson. Let me correct myself: most popular female Marvel superhero. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2019 15:22:32 GMT
I think both of you are wrong. The most popular female Marvel character is Mary Jane Watson. Let me correct myself: most popular female Marvel superhero.Right now is either Carol or Natasha.
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