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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Apr 19, 2019 7:45:55 GMT
President Bush is at his desk when Rumsfeld gives him the latest report that 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed in Iraq.
To everyone's surprise, Bush suddenly goes pale and sinks his face into his hands.
"Oh God...oh God..." he says.
Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney and all others exchange worried glances.
Bush then looks up and says "How many is a Brazilian?"
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Post by politicidal on Apr 19, 2019 12:50:20 GMT
Dick should have replied, “More than a Somalian.”
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Post by gameboy on Apr 20, 2019 1:55:37 GMT
I've never been able to fathom whether George W Bush was a dumbass or just putting on an act. After all, he graduated from Harvard Business School. I suppose it's possible that his father's reputation got him in of course. But he had to maintain some kind of standard to graduate I would hope.
In the movie "Vice" about Dick Cheney, Bush is portrayed as an airheaded aging fratboy who teams up with Cheney out of insecurity. Apparently the Republican Neo-Cons wanted a goofball frontman so Cheney could actually run everything behind the scenes. The premise of the movie is that Cheney was actually the 43rd President of the United States.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Apr 20, 2019 3:12:18 GMT
I've never been able to fathom whether George W Bush was a dumbass or just putting on an act. After all, he graduated from Harvard Business School. I suppose it's possible that his father's reputation got him in of course. But he had to maintain some kind of standard to graduate I would hope. In the movie "Vice" about Dick Cheney, Bush is portrayed as an airheaded aging fratboy who teams up with Cheney out of insecurity. Apparently the Republican Neo-Cons wanted a goofball frontman so Cheney could actually run everything behind the scenes. The premise of the movie is that Cheney was actually the 43rd President of the United States. I saw W. with Josh Brolin but I want to see Vice. Christian Bale is a changeling.
As for Bush, he wasn't super intelligent but he wasn't stupid either. I think when 9/11 happened, he just felt like it was pretty much Pearl Harbor and felt a need to make his mark in history. He probably saw it as an opportunity to be big and outdo his dad who left Saddam in power.
As whether or not he was manipulated by his peers, I don't know but you have to remember that can go both ways since it might be bad to dissent like what happened with Powell, yes-men are a dime a dozen.
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Post by gameboy on Apr 20, 2019 3:38:39 GMT
I've never been able to fathom whether George W Bush was a dumbass or just putting on an act. After all, he graduated from Harvard Business School. I suppose it's possible that his father's reputation got him in of course. But he had to maintain some kind of standard to graduate I would hope. In the movie "Vice" about Dick Cheney, Bush is portrayed as an airheaded aging fratboy who teams up with Cheney out of insecurity. Apparently the Republican Neo-Cons wanted a goofball frontman so Cheney could actually run everything behind the scenes. The premise of the movie is that Cheney was actually the 43rd President of the United States. I saw W. with Josh Brolin but I want to see Vice. Christian Bale is a changeling.
As for Bush, he wasn't super intelligent but he wasn't stupid either. I think when 9/11 happened, he just felt like it was pretty much Pearl Harbor and felt a need to make his mark in history. He probably saw it as an opportunity to be big and outdo his dad who left Saddam in power.
As whether or not he was manipulated by his peers, I don't know but you have to remember that can go both ways since it might be bad to dissent like what happened with Powell, yes-men are a dime a dozen. The first Bush was smart to liberate Kuwait but not invade Iraq. Toppling Saddam Hussein only created havoc in the Middle East. But Neo-Con thinkers as early as the 1970's were making lists of countries which the U.S. should invade. Iraq was one of them.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Apr 20, 2019 4:35:40 GMT
I saw W. with Josh Brolin but I want to see Vice. Christian Bale is a changeling.
As for Bush, he wasn't super intelligent but he wasn't stupid either. I think when 9/11 happened, he just felt like it was pretty much Pearl Harbor and felt a need to make his mark in history. He probably saw it as an opportunity to be big and outdo his dad who left Saddam in power.
As whether or not he was manipulated by his peers, I don't know but you have to remember that can go both ways since it might be bad to dissent like what happened with Powell, yes-men are a dime a dozen. The first Bush was smart to liberate Kuwait but not invade Iraq. Toppling Saddam Hussein only created havoc in the Middle East. But Neo-Con thinkers as early as the 1970's were making lists of countries which the U.S. should invade. Iraq was one of them. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Post by gameboy on Apr 20, 2019 4:52:03 GMT
The first Bush was smart to liberate Kuwait but not invade Iraq. Toppling Saddam Hussein only created havoc in the Middle East. But Neo-Con thinkers as early as the 1970's were making lists of countries which the U.S. should invade. Iraq was one of them. Si vis pacem, para bellum. War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Strength Pax vobiscum.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Apr 20, 2019 5:15:53 GMT
Si vis pacem, para bellum. War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Strength Pax vobiscum. 1984 is a okay read if you're under 20 but it's a bit straw man to me.
You might like this vid.
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Post by gameboy on Apr 20, 2019 6:39:11 GMT
War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Strength Pax vobiscum. 1984 is a okay read if you're under 20 but it's a bit straw man to me.
You might like this vid.
Interesting. But if when we land on the moon either us or the Russians will find a way to claim it. I think we already live in a dystopian nightmare. We just don't realize it. I don't get your comment that Orwell is not relevant to adults. It' a masterpiece. But Huxley's "Brave New World" is really where we're heading. They control us through consumer products, drugs and sex.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Apr 20, 2019 7:41:05 GMT
1984 is a okay read if you're under 20 but it's a bit straw man to me.
You might like this vid.
Interesting. But if when we land on the moon either us or the Russians will find a way to claim it. I think we already live in a dystopian nightmare. We just don't realize it. I don't get your comment that Orwell is not relevant to adults. It' a masterpiece. But Huxley's "Brave New World" is really where we're heading. They control us through consumer products, drugs and sex. The idea of a small few ruling over the weaker many is as old as civilization. The world is, and has pretty much always been, a game of hungry hungry hippos and a feeding frenzy. Orwell is always relevant but you don't need to read it to know what it talks about. That's why the French executed their king, that's why the Bolsheviks murdered the Tzar and his family. People make light of 1984 and joke about it today.
And the fact that we joke about it, is because people aren't directly suffering for it. If we had to worry about being dragged off to a gulag is we committed thought crime, it'd be a different story. But BNW is way more shrewd since it gives people what they want: stuff. People are okay with Benzos making billions because we get stuff. We don't care about the NSA even thought we whine because it has no direct impact.
What China is doing is just as much BNW as it is 1984. Russia and NK are 1984 but China is smarter because they give other countries money. It's a way of control without them knowing, or more importantly, caring.
That's something I learned about people. People don't care about things that don't affect them. Crap all over people when Hitler was coming to power as much as you want but we're really not so different today. Every day, North Koreans are trapped in their shitty country, people are beheaded in Saudi Arabia, gureilla civil wars take place in African all the time, Venezuela is bleeding.
What are you going to do about it? Nothing. Like everybody else. What would you think of someone who wants to solve all these problems? If they're a kid, they're cute. If they're an adult, they're nuts.
My point is that people care about their own. That includes themselves, their families and their friends. As long as someone gets money, stuff and is safe, that's what matters and BNW gives that to them.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 23, 2019 23:14:12 GMT
I've never been able to fathom whether George W Bush was a dumbass or just putting on an act. After all, he graduated from Harvard Business School. I suppose it's possible that his father's reputation got him in of course. But he had to maintain some kind of standard to graduate I would hope. In the movie "Vice" about Dick Cheney, Bush is portrayed as an airheaded aging fratboy who teams up with Cheney out of insecurity. Apparently the Republican Neo-Cons wanted a goofball frontman so Cheney could actually run everything behind the scenes. The premise of the movie is that Cheney was actually the 43rd President of the United States. Its an interesting question; but not on the basis of whether or not he graduated from Harvard. He only ever attended Harvard because daddy and rich.
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