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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 19, 2019 9:40:34 GMT
www.gotquestions.org/Thomas-India.htmlI was talking with my baby on the phone once about where the Apostles ended up, and she told me that Thomas supposedly went to India. I had never head this before. Much of religion throughout the ages has dealt with transcendence of death. Correct me if I am wrong. Or....is it about transcendence of the conventional notion that death is the end? Or.....is death really the end and it's all about having as much gratification as you can get before you finally kick the bucket, as Goz and her crew would have us believe? I have zero doubt that I existed before I was born into this state, and I have zero doubt that I will continue (whether I want to or not) after I leave this state. It would be nice if I could come back in some way/shape/form to help convince others that death is not the end. No one else could do what Christ did, but if I could do something like what He did it would make my life worthwhile.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 19, 2019 11:16:07 GMT
St. Thomas Christians have lived in India since the earliest times of Christianity. They had their first Church in 52 AD I suppose. St. Thomas Christianity is basically a form of Syriac Christianity. The prominent divisions are: Jacobite Syrian Christian Church Syro-Malabar Catholic Church Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church Chaldean Syrian Church This is their symbol
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Post by Eλευθερί on Apr 19, 2019 22:06:20 GMT
I have zero doubt that I existed before I was born into this state, and I have zero doubt that I will continue (whether I want to or not) after I leave this state Define "I."
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Post by goz on Apr 19, 2019 22:07:04 GMT
www.gotquestions.org/Thomas-India.htmlI was talking with my baby on the phone once about where the Apostles ended up, and she told me that Thomas supposedly went to India. I had never head this before. Much of religion throughout the ages has dealt with transcendence of death. Correct me if I am wrong. Or....is it about transcendence of the conventional notion that death is the end? Or.....is death really the end and it's all about having as much gratification as you can get before you finally kick the bucket, as Goz and her crew would have us believe? I have zero doubt that I existed before I was born into this state, and I have zero doubt that I will continue (whether I want to or not) after I leave this state. It would be nice if I could come back in some way/shape/form to help convince others that death is not the end. No one else could do what Christ did, but if I could do something like what He did it would make my life worthwhile. It is amazing on this board the number of posters who post 'what Goz says and thinks'! I am actually quite flattered to be such a force in this community that my views ( if not accurately portrayed) are raised at all. Thankyou all who do this in a regular basis. In historical terms, it is the transcendence over death that has been the 'conventional' notion due to a combination of human's ignorance and also wishful thinking combined with an inability to contemplate that just as there was a beginning, there will be an end to human life. Obviously, with knowledge especially scientific which shows us actually how the human body and brain works and how we came to be here, the way we are through evolution, there has been an 'enlightenment' of sorts. I would really like you to define the term 'gratification' though I suspect that you are using the term pejoratively. Please explain just how you think that this has, or could occur. If you think that you are a body and a soul that lives on, just how and where does this 'soul' reside, in form were you before death, and what form will you take after death. Will you be in contact with other 'people'? What age will they be? What will they be doing? Will they have a body?the same as now, Will you have a brain, the same as now Will it have the same DNA as they do now? Will you have awareness, feel pain? If yes this presumes a body, so how old will you be? Will you stay that age, Will you age and die again in this place wherever it is? Will you have friends and family and al the things that make life worthwhile on earth? If not, how will it be worthwhile, Will there be any 'gratification? Please answer in detail, to all these questions. After you have answered all the last set of questions, please tell me how this could happen, and why no one ) except for argument's sake Christ) has been able to do this before? I know you claim to have come back from Hell, butt to be honest that is not really believable especially as you admitted to being a state of physical fever and this delusion is not uncommon in a febrile state.
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Post by goz on Apr 19, 2019 22:12:16 GMT
I have zero doubt that I existed before I was born into this state, and I have zero doubt that I will continue (whether I want to or not) after I leave this state Define "I." I am embarrassed that you said in two words what took me a long post, however, with Erjenious, you need to actually spell things out.....and even then...
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Post by maya55555 on Apr 19, 2019 22:45:45 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 19, 2019 23:53:29 GMT
www.gotquestions.org/Thomas-India.htmlI was talking with my baby on the phone once about where the Apostles ended up, and she told me that Thomas supposedly went to India. I had never head this before. Much of religion throughout the ages has dealt with transcendence of death. Correct me if I am wrong. Or....is it about transcendence of the conventional notion that death is the end? Or.....is death really the end and it's all about having as much gratification as you can get before you finally kick the bucket, as Goz and her crew would have us believe? I have zero doubt that I existed before I was born into this state, and I have zero doubt that I will continue (whether I want to or not) after I leave this state. It would be nice if I could come back in some way/shape/form to help convince others that death is not the end. No one else could do what Christ did, but if I could do something like what He did it would make my life worthwhile. It is amazing on this board the number of posters who post 'what Goz says and thinks'! I am actually quite flattered to be such a force in this community that my views ( if not accurately portrayed) are raised at all. Thankyou all who do this in a regular basis. In historical terms, it is the transcendence over death that has been the 'conventional' notion due to a combination of human's ignorance and also wishful thinking combined with an inability to contemplate that just as there was a beginning, there will be an end to human life. Obviously, with knowledge especially scientific which shows us actually how the human body and brain works and how we came to be here, the way we are through evolution, there has been an 'enlightenment' of sorts. I would really like you to define the term 'gratification' though I suspect that you are using the term pejoratively. Please explain just how you think that this has, or could occur. If you think that you are a body and a soul that lives on, just how and where does this 'soul' reside, in form were you before death, and what form will you take after death. Will you be in contact with other 'people'? What age will they be? What will they be doing? Will they have a body?the same as now, Will you have a brain, the same as now Will it have the same DNA as they do now? Will you have awareness, feel pain? If yes this presumes a body, so how old will you be? Will you stay that age, Will you age and die again in this place wherever it is? Will you have friends and family and al the things that make life worthwhile on earth? If not, how will it be worthwhile, Will there be any 'gratification? Please answer in detail, to all these questions. After you have answered all the last set of questions, please tell me how this could happen, and why no one ) except for argument's sake Christ) has been able to do this before? I know you claim to have come back from Hell, butt to be honest that is not really believable especially as you admitted to being a state of physical fever and this delusion is not uncommon in a febrile state. Goz, you don't simply say that you don't believe in the so-called afterlife. You declare it to be nonexistent, as if it were a fact. I never said it was a fact. I have only said that I am personally convinced that the soul (or consciousness if you prefer) survives physical death. I could attempt to answer some (if not all) of your questions, but what would be the point? You're not going to change your mind about anything.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 19, 2019 23:54:49 GMT
I have zero doubt that I existed before I was born into this state, and I have zero doubt that I will continue (whether I want to or not) after I leave this state Define "I." "I" needs a definition? What for?
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Post by goz on Apr 19, 2019 23:58:09 GMT
It is amazing on this board the number of posters who post 'what Goz says and thinks'! I am actually quite flattered to be such a force in this community that my views ( if not accurately portrayed) are raised at all. Thankyou all who do this in a regular basis. In historical terms, it is the transcendence over death that has been the 'conventional' notion due to a combination of human's ignorance and also wishful thinking combined with an inability to contemplate that just as there was a beginning, there will be an end to human life. Obviously, with knowledge especially scientific which shows us actually how the human body and brain works and how we came to be here, the way we are through evolution, there has been an 'enlightenment' of sorts. I would really like you to define the term 'gratification' though I suspect that you are using the term pejoratively. Please explain just how you think that this has, or could occur. If you think that you are a body and a soul that lives on, just how and where does this 'soul' reside, in form were you before death, and what form will you take after death. Will you be in contact with other 'people'? What age will they be? What will they be doing? Will they have a body?the same as now, Will you have a brain, the same as now Will it have the same DNA as they do now? Will you have awareness, feel pain? If yes this presumes a body, so how old will you be? Will you stay that age, Will you age and die again in this place wherever it is? Will you have friends and family and al the things that make life worthwhile on earth? If not, how will it be worthwhile, Will there be any 'gratification? Please answer in detail, to all these questions. After you have answered all the last set of questions, please tell me how this could happen, and why no one ) except for argument's sake Christ) has been able to do this before? I know you claim to have come back from Hell, butt to be honest that is not really believable especially as you admitted to being a state of physical fever and this delusion is not uncommon in a febrile state. Goz, you don't simply say that you don't believe in the so-called afterlife. You declare it to be nonexistent, as if it were a fact. I never said it was a fact. I have only said that I am personally convinced that the soul (or consciousness if you prefer) survives physical death. I could attempt to answer some (if not all) of your questions, but what would be the point? You're not going to change your mind about anything. There you go again...declaring what I think and believe! In this case it is to make an excuse for not answering my pertinent questions. How about you give it a go and I promise to keep an open mind and we can discuss each issue and perhaps you can convince me, if your answers are relevant possible and logical?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2019 0:02:46 GMT
Goz, you don't simply say that you don't believe in the so-called afterlife. You declare it to be nonexistent, as if it were a fact. I never said it was a fact. I have only said that I am personally convinced that the soul (or consciousness if you prefer) survives physical death. I could attempt to answer some (if not all) of your questions, but what would be the point? You're not going to change your mind about anything. There you go again...declaring what I think and believe! In this case it is to make an excuse for not answering my pertinent questions. How about you give it a go and I promise to keep an open mind and we can discuss each issue and perhaps you can convince me, if your answers are relevant possible and logical? I can tell you what a friend told me last year. She had an NDE.....a real NDE.....not like what happened to you when you almost fell down a flight of stairs. Personally, I think the term NDE has been forced on society by radical atheists. No heart. No brain. No breathing. That's not near-death. That's death IMO. You want me to tell you what she told me? I'm sure you'll be amused.
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Post by goz on Apr 20, 2019 0:53:45 GMT
There you go again...declaring what I think and believe! In this case it is to make an excuse for not answering my pertinent questions. How about you give it a go and I promise to keep an open mind and we can discuss each issue and perhaps you can convince me, if your answers are relevant possible and logical? I can tell you what a friend told me last year. She had an NDE.....a real NDE.....not like what happened to you when you almost fell down a flight of stairs. Personally, I think the term NDE has been forced on society by radical atheists. No heart. No brain. No breathing. That's not near-death. That's death IMO. You want me to tell you what she told me? I'm sure you'll be amused. Why don't you just answer the questions? The term NDE has actually been forced upon us by theists and I agree with you about No heart No brain and not breathing as being death. If she lived to tell you about her experience she was not dead. You just said so yourself, just as you were not in 'hell'.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2019 0:57:39 GMT
I can tell you what a friend told me last year. She had an NDE.....a real NDE.....not like what happened to you when you almost fell down a flight of stairs. Personally, I think the term NDE has been forced on society by radical atheists. No heart. No brain. No breathing. That's not near-death. That's death IMO. You want me to tell you what she told me? I'm sure you'll be amused. Why don't you just answer the questions? The term NDE has actually been forced upon us by theists and I agree with you about No heart No brain and not breathing as being death. If she lived to tell you about her experience she was not dead. You just said so yourself, just as you were not in 'hell'. You mean these questions? I don't know how it works. I also don't know how aspirin works. It just does.
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Post by goz on Apr 20, 2019 1:04:29 GMT
Why don't you just answer the questions? The term NDE has actually been forced upon us by theists and I agree with you about No heart No brain and not breathing as being death. If she lived to tell you about her experience she was not dead. You just said so yourself, just as you were not in 'hell'. You mean these questions? I don't know how it works. I also don't know how aspirin works. It just does. How do you know it 'just works'? BTW why did you flat out lie twice on the Pets Thread and subsequent discussion which YOU brought up afresh when I thought the whole issue was done and dusted?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2019 1:13:37 GMT
You mean these questions? I don't know how it works. I also don't know how aspirin works. It just does. How do you know it 'just works'? BTW why did you flat out lie twice on the Pets Thread and subsequent discussion which YOU brought up afresh when I thought the whole issue was done and dusted? I didn't lie. If the photo and post on that thread had been any reference to you, I would tell you so, but they weren't.
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Post by goz on Apr 20, 2019 2:21:49 GMT
How do you know it 'just works'? BTW why did you flat out lie twice on the Pets Thread and subsequent discussion which YOU brought up afresh when I thought the whole issue was done and dusted? I didn't lie. If the photo and post on that thread had been any reference to you, I would tell you so, but they weren't. You are lying again now. You KNOW that they were. That other poster even said that you did with the picture.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2019 2:37:47 GMT
I didn't lie. If the photo and post on that thread had been any reference to you, I would tell you so, but they weren't. You are lying again now. You KNOW that they were. That other poster even said that you did with the picture. That "other poster" knew I would know what she meant, and I did. She was referring to moths in the house. Real moths. They don't bother me, but several times on the phone she has mentioned to me how annoying they are. It had absolutely nothing to do with you. I can see how you might have misunderstood, and I don't blame you for that, but the God's Honest Truth is that the photo and the post in the Pets thread had NOTHING to do with you. When I read it I knew she was talking about the moths that are bothering her, and I wasn't even reminded of you. But of course, you're not going to believe that. You have your mind made up that it was posted against you, and nothing is going to talk you out of it.
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Post by goz on Apr 20, 2019 2:51:04 GMT
You are lying again now. You KNOW that they were. That other poster even said that you did with the picture. That "other poster" knew I would know what she meant, and I did. She was referring to moths in the house. Real moths. They don't bother me, but several times on the phone she has mentioned to me how annoying they are. It had absolutely nothing to do with you. I can see how you might have misunderstood, and I don't blame you for that, but the God's Honest Truth is that the photo and the post in the Pets thread had NOTHING to do with you. When I read it I knew she was talking about the moths that are bothering her, and I wasn't even reminded of you. But of course, you're not going to believe that. You have your mind made up that it was posted against you, and nothing is going to talk you out of it. Erjenious. I have evidence that you are both lying through your respective teeth. I have the three way conversation in my Private Messages between Admin and that poster and me (during which I said nothing). Admin showed them the evidence of approximately 10 - 15 other posts with pictures of MOTHs in them with snide remarks. He also brought up her whole posting history to me and even I was shocked at her outrageous behaviour and bullying towards me over a period of years specifically since I gave up posting to her 18 months ago. He also had evidence that I never posted to her to inflame the situation. There were zero posts by me. Anyway as you know ( or perhaps you will also deny evidence) she was give a short ban from the RFS board so it is obvious ( and he said in the messages) that he did not believe her because the evidence was overwhelming. You are both the MOST disgraceful liars and no-one on this Board should take any notice of anything that either of you post. You are BOTH despicable. I love my husband and he is ill with a heart condition and leukaemia. I had thought this matter done and dusted until YOU brought it up again.. SO I am outing you both as disgraceful human beings. I WILL NOT be lied to and lied about you scumbags.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2019 2:59:13 GMT
That "other poster" knew I would know what she meant, and I did. She was referring to moths in the house. Real moths. They don't bother me, but several times on the phone she has mentioned to me how annoying they are. It had absolutely nothing to do with you. I can see how you might have misunderstood, and I don't blame you for that, but the God's Honest Truth is that the photo and the post in the Pets thread had NOTHING to do with you. When I read it I knew she was talking about the moths that are bothering her, and I wasn't even reminded of you. But of course, you're not going to believe that. You have your mind made up that it was posted against you, and nothing is going to talk you out of it. Erjenious. I have evidence that you are both lying through your respective teeth. I have the three way conversation in my Private Messages between Admin and that poster and me (during which I said nothing). Admin showed them the evidence of approximately 10 - 15 other posts with pictures of MOTHs in them with snide remarks. He also brought up her whole posting history to me and even I was shocked at her outrageous behaviour and bullying towards me over a period of years specifically since I gave up posting to her 18 months ago. He also had evidence that I never posted to her to inflame the situation. There were zero posts by me. Anyway as you know ( or perhaps you will also deny evidence) she was give a short ban from the RFS board so it is obvious ( and he said in the messages) that he did not believe her because the evidence was overwhelming. You are both the MOST disgraceful liars and no-one on this Board should take any notice of anything that either of you post. You are BOTH despicable. I love my husband and he is ill with a heart condition and leukaemia. I had thought this matter done and dusted until YOU brought it up again.. SO I am outing you both as disgraceful human beings. I WILL NOT be lied to and lied about you scumbags. No, Goz. If you think we're scumbags, it's your right to think so. However, the fact remains that the photo and the post on the RFS Pets thread had NOTHING to do with you or your husband, and I know this to be a fact. Anything else to say on the life-after-death topic? If not, then there's nothing else to say to each other.
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Post by goz on Apr 20, 2019 3:05:36 GMT
Erjenious. I have evidence that you are both lying through your respective teeth. I have the three way conversation in my Private Messages between Admin and that poster and me (during which I said nothing). Admin showed them the evidence of approximately 10 - 15 other posts with pictures of MOTHs in them with snide remarks. He also brought up her whole posting history to me and even I was shocked at her outrageous behaviour and bullying towards me over a period of years specifically since I gave up posting to her 18 months ago. He also had evidence that I never posted to her to inflame the situation. There were zero posts by me. Anyway as you know ( or perhaps you will also deny evidence) she was give a short ban from the RFS board so it is obvious ( and he said in the messages) that he did not believe her because the evidence was overwhelming. You are both the MOST disgraceful liars and no-one on this Board should take any notice of anything that either of you post. You are BOTH despicable. I love my husband and he is ill with a heart condition and leukaemia. I had thought this matter done and dusted until YOU brought it up again.. SO I am outing you both as disgraceful human beings. I WILL NOT be lied to and lied about you scumbags. No, Goz. If you think we're scumbags, it's your right to think so. However, the fact remains that the photo and the post on the RFS Pets thread had NOTHING to do with you or your husband, and I know this to be a fact. Anything else to say on the life-after-death topic? If not, then there's nothing else to say to each other. You appalling lying less than human being. I knew you were stupid and ignorant however I always previously had sensed some decency in you. How can you lie like this? A person's integrity and truthfulness is something that no-one else can ever take away from them and you have thrown yours out the window with this outrageous obstinacy and truly evil lie. May your conscience and consciousness haunt you forever. We indeed have nothing more to say.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2019 3:23:19 GMT
You believe you existed before? Reincarnation is not accepted by any Christian tradition. How do you square that with Christianity? Or are you talking about pre-existence of your soul as you, an individual entity? Mormonism teaches that we were at the great council in heaven before creation. Pre-existence of the soul. As for reincarnation, I don't believe in it but I don't disbelieve in it either.
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