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Post by Aj_June on Apr 21, 2019 16:32:19 GMT
A very high percentage of Tamils are Christians in Sri Lanka. In fact the Tamil ethnicity is the biggest base for Catholics in SL.
And the "Moors" or Muslims in Sri Lanka also speak Tamil. So what? Tamils (almost 99%) are either Hindus or Christians.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 21, 2019 16:52:43 GMT
So what? Tamils (almost 99%) are either Hindus or Christians. Hindus, Muslims, Christians - all the religious minorities in Sri Lanka speak Tamil. The fact that most Christians are also Tamil is probably irrelevant. And your stats are misleading because they exclude the Tamil-speaking Muslims who are demographically listed as "Moors" but are still Tamil. If you include the "Moors" as Tamil then 40% of Tamils are actually Muslim. Tamil speakers are Muslims? Sure, many of them. But ethnic Tamils are Muslims? No. They are Christians and Hindus. Muslims in SL are mainly from Moor and Malay ethnicity.
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Post by goz on Apr 21, 2019 21:18:02 GMT
Hindus, Muslims, Christians - all the religious minorities in Sri Lanka speak Tamil. The fact that most Christians are also Tamil is probably irrelevant. And your stats are misleading because they exclude the Tamil-speaking Muslims who are demographically listed as "Moors" but are still Tamil. If you include the "Moors" as Tamil then 40% of Tamils are actually Muslim. Tamil speakers are Muslims? Sure, many of them. But ethnic Tamils are Muslims? No. They are Christians and Hindus. Muslims in SL are mainly from Moor and Malay ethnicity. I post this with some reservation however our news service is tending to blame 'extremist conservative Buddhist monks' which to me until now had been a contradiction in terms, however there is a Buddhist majority in Sri Lanka and certain element apparently associate the Christians with post-colonialism which would account for the combination of tourist and Christian targets. They resent the influence of the West. We shall see. It is definitely not Muslim according to the reports, and as you said the Tamils are split.
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Post by general313 on Apr 21, 2019 22:37:20 GMT
Tamil speakers are Muslims? Sure, many of them. But ethnic Tamils are Muslims? No. They are Christians and Hindus. Muslims in SL are mainly from Moor and Malay ethnicity. I post this with some reservation however our news service is tending to blame 'extremist conservative Buddhist monks' which to me until now had been a contradiction in terms, however there is a Buddhist majority in Sri Lanka and certain element apparently associate the Christians with post-colonialism which would account for the combination of tourist and Christian targets. They resent the influence of the West. We shall see. It is definitely not Muslim according to the reports, and as you said the Tamils are split. Apparently there have been a number of attacks by "hardline" Buddhist groups in the area last year, targeting Christians and Muslims. More data should clear up who's responsible. Very sad whoever it is.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 21, 2019 23:22:56 GMT
Tamil speakers are Muslims? Sure, many of them. But ethnic Tamils are Muslims? No. They are Christians and Hindus. Muslims in SL are mainly from Moor and Malay ethnicity. I'm saying "Moors" is just an antiquated colonial word used to refer to Tamil speakers who are Muslim by religion. Ethnically they are Tamils. These terms are rarely finite. But if they speak Tamil in a land dominated by the Sinhalese, they are Tamils. Language usually tells all about a people's origin. That site doesn't say that they are Tamils. Just Tamil speakers who are all people in certain northern regions of SL. People of Tamil ethnicity in SL are either Shaivites or Christians. Not even non-Shaivite Hindus except for rare exceptions. And the Christian Tamils are mostly Catholics (over 85% and rest all others are 15%). Muslims are those who came as traders from outside. They are of Moor or Malay decent.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 21, 2019 23:52:23 GMT
That site doesn't say that they are Tamils. Just Tamil speakers who are all people in certain northern regions of SL. People of Tamil ethnicity in SL are either Shaivites or Christians. Not even non-Shaivite Hindus except for rare exceptions. And the Christian Tamils are mostly Catholics (over 85% and rest all others are 15%). Muslims are those who came as traders from outside. They are of Moor or Malay decent. Well you're closer to it than me. But if they are Arab or Malay why not speak Arab or Malay or the majority Sinhalese language? They speak Tamil. Odd that they would adopt that minority language if they're native language was not Tamil. Moors are in Morocco. The term is being used loosely in Sri Lanka to describe Muslims. And there are Muslims in Tamil Nadu, the Indian state. It is because how those Moors reached SL. It's not a case of Moors directly reaching Sri Lanka. There are two broad categories of Moors. 1. Moors of the Land and the Mouros da Arabia/Mouros de Meca (Moors from Arab) are two main groups of Moors. But these people from the Muslim world first landed to India (mostly current day Afghanistan) and then at various stages they entered Sri Lanka through passing South India. "Pathans of Tamil Nadu" for example are not Tamils. They are Moors who first settled in Afghanistan (Pashto people) and then seeking greater riches settled in Tamil Nadu in India. Eventually, they moved down to Sri Lanka. Also, the main trading center between Arab and subcontinent was Kerala (southern tip of India). Many Moors first came to Kerela and thus learned the Tamil language (for business purposes as they were traders) and then they settled to Sri Lanka. Bringing to SL their Tamil language.
Also, the brutal Portuguese occupation was very hard on Muslims. Muslims/Buddhists/Hindus were being wiped out by the Portuguese. Then many Sinhalese speaking Moors fled to interiors that were dominated by Tamils. And thus they took on the Tamil language.
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Post by goz on Apr 22, 2019 0:00:21 GMT
Well you're closer to it than me. But if they are Arab or Malay why not speak Arab or Malay or the majority Sinhalese language? They speak Tamil. Odd that they would adopt that minority language if they're native language was not Tamil. Moors are in Morocco. The term is being used loosely in Sri Lanka to describe Muslims. And there are Muslims in Tamil Nadu, the Indian state. It is because how those Moors reached SL. It's not a case of Moors directly reaching Sri Lanka. There are two broad categories of Moors. 1. Moors of the Land and the Mouros da Arabia/Mouros de Meca (Moors from Arab) are two main groups of Moors. But these people from the Muslim world first landed to India (mostly current day Afghanistan) and then at various stages they entered Sri Lanka through passing South India. "Pathans of Tamil Nadu" for example are not Tamils. They are Moors who first settled in Afghanistan (Pashto people) and then seeking greater riches settled in Tamil Nadu in India. Eventually, they moved down to Sri Lanka. Also, the main trading center between Arab and subcontinent was Kerala (southern tip of India). Many Moors first came to Kerela and thus learned the Tamil language (for business purposes as they were traders) and then they settled to Sri Lanka. Bringing to SL their Tamil language.
Also, the brutal Portuguese occupation was very hard on Muslims. Muslims/Buddhists/Hindus were being wiped out by the Portuguese. Then many Sinhalese speaking Moors fled to interiors that were dominated by Tamils. And thus they took on the Tamil language.
Interesting stuff, under the circumstances...thank you.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 22, 2019 0:24:00 GMT
e It is because how those Moors reached SL. It's not a case of Moors directly reaching Sri Lanka. There are two broad categories of Moors. 1. Moors of the Land and the Mouros da Arabia/Mouros de Meca (Moors from Arab) are two main groups of Moors. But these people from the Muslim world first landed to India (mostly current day Afghanistan) and then at various stages they entered Sri Lanka through passing South India. "Pathans of Tamil Nadu" for example are not Tamils. They are Moors who first settled in Afghanistan (Pashto people) and then seeking greater riches settled in Tamil Nadu in India. Eventually, they moved down to Sri Lanka. Also, the main trading center between Arab and subcontinent was Kerala (southern tip of India). Many Moors first came to Kerela and thus learned the Tamil language (for business purposes as they were traders) and then they settled to Sri Lanka. Bringing to SL their Tamil language.
Also, the brutal Portuguese occupation was very hard on Muslims. Muslims/Buddhists/Hindus were being wiped out by the Portuguese. Then many Sinhalese speaking Moors fled to interiors that were dominated by Tamils. And thus they took on the Tamil language.
Okay, thanks for the explanation. However, India itself has a large native Muslim population. Of course the whole partition of India into two states, India and Pakistan, was to accommodate Muslims. And India hosted the Mughal Empire. I'm a bit confused if you would consider Muslims not to be native to the subcontinent now since they've been there over a thousand years. Of course we don't know who took credit for the recent attacks. But if Muslims of Sri Lanka are not ethnic Tamils, it would be all the more reason for them to attack Tamil Christians. Good question....I will give a detailed reply sometimes later (may in 12 hours time). Remember it would not be written according to how I feel about the topic but how an average Indian may feel about the issue (or as how I interpret average Indians feel about the issue).
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Post by politicidal on Apr 22, 2019 0:54:46 GMT
Thirteen arrested so far.
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Post by goz on Apr 22, 2019 1:51:22 GMT
Thirteen arrested so far.
I find it strange that no-one is attributing blame to any group yet though it is sadi in that article that the government had some warning and
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Post by geode on Apr 22, 2019 4:10:39 GMT
Thirteen arrested so far.
I find it strange that no-one is attributing blame to any group yet though it is sadi in that article that the government had some warning and NHK just showed a document in their news broadcast that warned of an attack from an obscure Muslim extremist group. It was named but I missed recognizing it.
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Post by goz on Apr 22, 2019 4:12:46 GMT
I find it strange that no-one is attributing blame to any group yet though it is sadi in that article that the government had some warning and NHK just showed a document in their news broadcast that warned of an attack from an obscure Muslim extremist group. It was named but I missed recognizing it. Yeah! Extremism...maybe either Buddhist or Muslim? They ALL suck.
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Post by geode on Apr 22, 2019 4:16:07 GMT
NHK just showed a document in their news broadcast that warned of an attack from an obscure Muslim extremist group. It was named but I missed recognizing it. Yeah! Extremism...maybe either Buddhist or Muslim? They ALL suck. From the Japan Times: “A foreign intelligence agency has reported that the NTJ (National Thowheeth Jama’ath) is planning to carry out suicide attacks targeting prominent churches as well as the Indian high commission in Colombo,” the alert said. The NTJ is a radical Muslim group in Sri Lanka that was linked last year to the vandalization of Buddhist statues"
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Post by goz on Apr 22, 2019 4:21:20 GMT
Yeah! Extremism...maybe either Buddhist or Muslim? They ALL suck. From the Japan Times: “A foreign intelligence agency has reported that the NTJ (National Thowheeth Jama’ath) is planning to carry out suicide attacks targeting prominent churches as well as the Indian high commission in Colombo,” the alert said. The NTJ is a radical Muslim group in Sri Lanka that was linked last year to the vandalization of Buddhist statues" Well spotted. We shall see as time reveals.
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Post by geode on Apr 22, 2019 6:56:31 GMT
Here is the memo: "The NTJ is a radical Islamic group in Sri Lanka. While no one has claimed responsibility for the attacks, Sri Lanka’s defense minister, Ruwan Wijewardene, identified the culprits as religious extremists. He said that while they have been identified, their names will not be released to the public for security reasons." link
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Post by geode on Apr 22, 2019 8:43:38 GMT
The Eiffel Tower plunged into darkness when the clock struck 12 last night in honour of the people killed and injured in the multiple blasts in Sri Lanka. On Sunday night, the official Twitter handle of the iconic Paris landmark said: “Tonight, from 12:00 am, I will turn my lights off to pay tribute to the victims of the Sri Lanka attack.” Following this, the iconic landmark went dark by turning off its decorative lights as a mark of respect to the lost lives link
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 9:00:28 GMT
Quiet everyone!
Listen carefully.
Can you hear that?
It's the sound of thousands of right wing social media users, furiously masturbating, whilst repeating the phrase "please be muzzies, please be muzzies" 🙄
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Post by goz on Apr 22, 2019 9:08:32 GMT
Quiet everyone! Listen carefully. Can you hear that? It's the sound of thousands of right wing social media users, furiously masturbating, whilst repeating the phrase "please be muzzies, please be muzzies" 🙄 Even if it is...a fringe group or whatever of any extremist religion....I feel your pain.. TBO it doesn't matter to me... They are all the same.
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 22, 2019 9:23:59 GMT
Tamil speakers are Muslims? Sure, many of them. But ethnic Tamils are Muslims? No. They are Christians and Hindus. Muslims in SL are mainly from Moor and Malay ethnicity. I post this with some reservation however our news service is tending to blame 'extremist conservative Buddhist monks' which to me until now had been a contradiction in terms, however there is a Buddhist majority in Sri Lanka and certain element apparently associate the Christians with post-colonialism which would account for the combination of tourist and Christian targets. They resent the influence of the West. We shall see. It is definitely not Muslim according to the reports, and as you said the Tamils are split. Which news service is ‘tending to blame conservative Buddhist monks’, propagandist? You wish it were them because you have an affinity for Islam but it has clouded your judgement.
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Post by goz on Apr 22, 2019 9:29:13 GMT
I post this with some reservation however our news service is tending to blame 'extremist conservative Buddhist monks' which to me until now had been a contradiction in terms, however there is a Buddhist majority in Sri Lanka and certain element apparently associate the Christians with post-colonialism which would account for the combination of tourist and Christian targets. They resent the influence of the West. We shall see. It is definitely not Muslim according to the reports, and as you said the Tamils are split. Which news service is ‘tending to blame conservative Buddhist monks’, propagandist? You wish it were them because you have an affinity for Islam but it has clouded your judgement. The one I posted. No-one knows yet as it is a complicated situation. Extremists of any persuasion are 'terrorists'
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