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Post by movieliker on May 1, 2019 6:14:18 GMT
You took that literally? She meant she's not trained in combat like Arya. She's never had to kill anyone or so much as raise a dagger before. Yeah but using a knife isn't rocket surgery. It was a weird comment. Its either "rocket science". Or "brain surgery". Not "rocket surgery".
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Post by movieliker on May 1, 2019 6:15:56 GMT
This is what I thought I’ll copy and paste Seriously disappointed. And I don’t even like the WW. Turns out the NK really is just some random fuck who didn’t do anything cool. Didn’t even fight. The symbols mean nothing. Cersei will never deal with him. All the characters had that plot armor from episode 6 last season where hordes of Wights were pinning the down without killing them. Jon did nothing and Dany fought more than him. The battle over all just sucked ass. Couldn’t see shit either. Nobody did anything this episode besides Arya. In fact id say she was the main character of the episode for sure. Bran didn't do anything except warg into Ravens. Most of the characters spent their time pinned under WW or running away. Can anyone name one cool thing a character did in this fight for instance? Besides arya Idk I just expected way more. I didnt want a full on superhero film but I wanted the night king actually fighting for once. Alongside his generals. And all the characters having to team up in a desperate attempt to take him down. But no, the NK stared at bran and that was that. And Cersei looks like a genius now for not helping since Arya could so easily do it. Sorry for the rant just disappointing He isn't just a random guy according to what is established in the books. Since they didn't give him any backstory in the show, I'll tell you what they give in the books... He's revealed to be a Stark and the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. He fell in love with a pale woman with blue eyes Beyond The Wall, wed her, bed her, crowned himself king, and he spent years committing all kinds of atrocities with his queen. Eventually, the North rallied against him and put him an end to his original reign. His crimes were so severe that the Maesters of the Citadel wiped all memory of the NK from the history books, which explains why no one knows much about him in the present times (outside of Bran). The additional information given in the books is that when he gave his ice queen his seed, she took his human essence and he was turned into a White Walker (this part was obviously changed to have the Children of the Forest do it instead in the show). It's a shame they didn't present any of this in the show. The opportune moment would have been when Bran said, "I'm leaving now" or whatever it is he said before Warging into the birds and have a quick flashback sequence. I believe the symbols the Night King made in season 1 and this season were basically like a House sigil for the White Walkers - this part is just my own theory though. It's not based on anything presented in the show or books. Nobody did anything?! A lot happened. There was lots of heroism. The Hound composing himself to help Arya was good. I really don't care for Melisandre. In fact, I loath her. I have to admit she helped a lot with her firepower. Jorah going out protecting Dany was tough to watch. I liked how Theon did what he did for Bran. It was wonderful for Bran to have a "personal moment" with someone because Robot Bran was getting a bit tiresome. Based on that moment, it makes me wonder if he's still the 3 Eyed Raven or if he's kind of shed that persona now that the Night King has been defeated and returned to being Brandon Stark? I guess we'll find out. I wonder how Yara will factor into the story now that her brother is gone? It was weird that Meera wasn't there. I think that was a misstep on the part of D&D. She should have fought. I thought the Night King toying with Bran was right on spot. He had previously toyed with Jon at Hardhome. When Dany tried to burn him, he just smirked at her, and went for his spear...his arrogance is clearly his weakness. It reminds me of how Voldemort toys with Harry Potter on multiple occasions and ends up losing due to it. Arya only was able to do it because Melisandre told her she was going to kill the Night King with her "blue eyes" line. No one else could do it because of that. She was meant to do it. It’s already written, the ink is dry! The books are usually better and in more detail than the movies.
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Post by movieliker on May 1, 2019 6:22:56 GMT
And quite frankly Dany and her dragon were absent for large portions of the battle. We just had to wonder "What were they doing?" Dany and Jon were trying to find the Night King. If they could put him down, it would be over. The storm brought by the White Walkers was severe and kept preventing them from easily finding the NK. Where were they looking? Were they flying all over Westeros? If they couldn't find him, they should have returned and helped the troops defending Winterfell. They were gone too long. Meanwhile people were dying. Winterfell was falling. The dragons were severely underutilized. Or incorrectly utilized.
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Post by movieliker on May 1, 2019 6:26:48 GMT
You took that literally? She meant she's not trained in combat like Arya. She's never had to kill anyone or so much as raise a dagger before. I know what it was meant to portray, however the way it was written made me laugh. It's not like it was a sword or a gun or anything more complicated. It was literally just a knife and her saying that she doesn't know how to use it was fucking priceless. I thought Arya's reply, "You stick them with the pointy end" was the priceless line. I knew what Sansa meant.
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Post by hehatesshe on May 1, 2019 7:21:34 GMT
Dany and Jon were trying to find the Night King. If they could put him down, it would be over. The storm brought by the White Walkers was severe and kept preventing them from easily finding the NK. Where were they looking? Were they flying all over Westeros? If they couldn't find him, they should have returned and helped the troops defending Winterfell. They were gone too long. Meanwhile people were dying. Winterfell was falling. The dragons were severely underutilized. Or incorrectly utilized. Remember that the dragons were never the plan. Dany changed it after the fast destruction of the Dothraki. Once the battle left the open field, the plan to find the Night King was back on.
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Post by movieliker on May 1, 2019 7:27:52 GMT
Where were they looking? Were they flying all over Westeros? If they couldn't find him, they should have returned and helped the troops defending Winterfell. They were gone too long. Meanwhile people were dying. Winterfell was falling. The dragons were severely underutilized. Or incorrectly utilized. Remember that the dragons were never the plan. Dany changed it after the fast destruction of the Dothraki. Once the battle left the open field, the plan to find the Night King was back on. That's a stupid plan. Sounds like something Jon Snow would have thought up. Better to smoke the Army of the Dead until the Night King shows up.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 8:00:09 GMT
I know what it was meant to portray, however the way it was written made me laugh. It's not like it was a sword or a gun or anything more complicated. It was literally just a knife and her saying that she doesn't know how to use it was fucking priceless. I thought Arya's reply, "You stick them with the pointy end" was the priceless line. I knew what Sansa meant. I knew what Sansa meant too. That call back was a decent moment from Jon/Arya. Sansa is such a dumb character imo that the whole "idk how to use a knife" made me laugh.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 1, 2019 8:49:12 GMT
Where were they looking? Were they flying all over Westeros? The dragons were severely underutilized. Or incorrectly utilized. In terms of where they were looking, they were high above Winterfell. The storm, as you could see, made it difficult to navigate the skies but they did find and engage the Night King. They managed to light up the Wights and provide some aid to the ground units at various critical moments. They also helped in unseating the Night King, which forced him to the ground and helped cause the chain of events leading to his demise.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2019 10:44:02 GMT
This is what I thought I’ll copy and paste Seriously disappointed. And I don’t even like the WW. Turns out the NK really is just some random fuck who didn’t do anything cool. Didn’t even fight. The symbols mean nothing. Cersei will never deal with him. All the characters had that plot armor from episode 6 last season where hordes of Wights were pinning the down without killing them. Jon did nothing and Dany fought more than him. The battle over all just sucked ass. Couldn’t see shit either. Nobody did anything this episode besides Arya. In fact id say she was the main character of the episode for sure. Bran didn't do anything except warg into Ravens. Most of the characters spent their time pinned under WW or running away. Can anyone name one cool thing a character did in this fight for instance? Besides arya Idk I just expected way more. I didnt want a full on superhero film but I wanted the night king actually fighting for once. Alongside his generals. And all the characters having to team up in a desperate attempt to take him down. But no, the NK stared at bran and that was that. And Cersei looks like a genius now for not helping since Arya could so easily do it. Sorry for the rant just disappointing He isn't just a random guy according to what is established in the books. Since they didn't give him any backstory in the show, I'll tell you what they give in the books... He's revealed to be a Stark and the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. He fell in love with a pale woman with blue eyes Beyond The Wall, wed her, bed her, crowned himself king, and he spent years committing all kinds of atrocities with his queen. Eventually, the North rallied against him and put him an end to his original reign. His crimes were so severe that the Maesters of the Citadel wiped all memory of the NK from the history books, which explains why no one knows much about him in the present times (outside of Bran). The additional information given in the books is that when he gave his ice queen his seed, she took his human essence and he was turned into a White Walker (this part was obviously changed to have the Children of the Forest do it instead in the show). It's a shame they didn't present any of this in the show. The opportune moment would have been when Bran said, "I'm leaving now" or whatever it is he said before Warging into the birds and have a quick flashback sequence. I believe the symbols the Night King made in season 1 and this season were basically like a House sigil for the White Walkers - this part is just my own theory though. It's not based on anything presented in the show or books. Nobody did anything?! A lot happened. There was lots of heroism. The Hound composing himself to help Arya was good. I really don't care for Melisandre. In fact, I loath her. I have to admit she helped a lot with her firepower. Jorah going out protecting Dany was tough to watch. I liked how Theon did what he did for Bran. It was wonderful for Bran to have a "personal moment" with someone because Robot Bran was getting a bit tiresome. Based on that moment, it makes me wonder if he's still the 3 Eyed Raven or if he's kind of shed that persona now that the Night King has been defeated and returned to being Brandon Stark? I guess we'll find out. I wonder how Yara will factor into the story now that her brother is gone? It was weird that Meera wasn't there. I think that was a misstep on the part of D&D. She should have fought. I thought the Night King toying with Bran was right on spot. He had previously toyed with Jon at Hardhome. When Dany tried to burn him, he just smirked at her, and went for his spear...his arrogance is clearly his weakness. It reminds me of how Voldemort toys with Harry Potter on multiple occasions and ends up losing due to it. Arya only was able to do it because Melisandre told her she was going to kill the Night King with her "blue eyes" line. No one else could do it because of that. She was meant to do it. It’s already written, the ink is dry! Well, that's not really the back story. That Night King is not the same person. The Night King is a legend in the book and was not an Other leader who would have existed centuries before. Further they gave a backstory to NK and a purpose.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2019 10:53:43 GMT
Remember that the dragons were never the plan. Dany changed it after the fast destruction of the Dothraki. Once the battle left the open field, the plan to find the Night King was back on. That's a stupid plan. Sounds like something Jon Snow would have thought up. Better to smoke the Army of the Dead until the Night King shows up. They were supposed to stay close to the tree. There was no reason imo to treat the zombies as a regular army. They were vastly outnumbered with no shot of winning. That's why it's so funny when people whine that the Dothraki should have flanked them. No plan was going to work at all. Dany was literally burning through thousands of them each go around and there were still tons of them. Plus they had to be together to tackle a zombie dragon and especially since Jon wasn;t experienced. If anything, I thought it was goofy to have Jon even riding a dragon as dragons can fight on their own. The plan should have included two options: Dragonfire which no one knew would work Sword combat with Jon at the Weirwood The plan would not have actually impacted Arya delivering the killer blow.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2019 10:59:32 GMT
I gave it an 8. It would have been higher if I could actually have seen what was going on. How did you watch it? I heard that HBO said there was an issue with original stream of the episode and it wasn't meant to be "that dark". I think it was supposed to be that dark, but depending on connection and TV type, it may not have come across that well through streaming and especially at the premier time (I always wait an hour or two) I don;t think they filmed it with those limitations in mind and the Blu-Ray will probably look vastly different. I could see fine and never had an issue making out characters.
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Post by Morgana on May 1, 2019 14:03:10 GMT
I gave it an 8. It would have been higher if I could actually have seen what was going on. How did you watch it? I heard that HBO said there was an issue with original stream of the episode and it wasn't meant to be "that dark". I streamed it.
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Post by Marv on May 1, 2019 15:02:21 GMT
That's a stupid plan. Sounds like something Jon Snow would have thought up. Better to smoke the Army of the Dead until the Night King shows up. They were supposed to stay close to the tree. There was no reason imo to treat the zombies as a regular army. They were vastly outnumbered with no shot of winning. That's why it's so funny when people whine that the Dothraki should have flanked them. No plan was going to work at all. Dany was literally burning through thousands of them each go around and there were still tons of them. Plus they had to be together to tackle a zombie dragon and especially since Jon wasn;t experienced. If anything, I thought it was goofy to have Jon even riding a dragon as dragons can fight on their own. The plan should have included two options: Dragonfire which no one knew would work Sword combat with Jon at the Weirwood The plan would not have actually impacted Arya delivering the killer blow. Jon should have been in the Godswood with Bran the whole time. There’s no reason for him to be flying about on a dragon in this fight. Dany, sure, because she’s a worthless fighter. But Jon has shown to be good enough with a sword to kill white walkers twice before. No reason to ignore the sword in this fight. The more I think on it the more irritated I get that Jon was wasted in this fight. This was supposed to be HIS fight! Now I’m wondering if they’ll just have Pod kill the Mountain and Missandei strangle Cersei.
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Post by Aj_June on May 1, 2019 15:07:04 GMT
They were supposed to stay close to the tree. There was no reason imo to treat the zombies as a regular army. They were vastly outnumbered with no shot of winning. That's why it's so funny when people whine that the Dothraki should have flanked them. No plan was going to work at all. Dany was literally burning through thousands of them each go around and there were still tons of them. Plus they had to be together to tackle a zombie dragon and especially since Jon wasn;t experienced. If anything, I thought it was goofy to have Jon even riding a dragon as dragons can fight on their own. The plan should have included two options: Dragonfire which no one knew would work Sword combat with Jon at the Weirwood The plan would not have actually impacted Arya delivering the killer blow. Jon should have been in the Godswood with Bran the whole time. There’s no reason for him to be flying about on a dragon in this fight. Dany, sure, because she’s a worthless fighter. But Jon has shown to be good enough with a sword to kill white walkers twice before. No reason to ignore the sword in this fight. The more I think on it the more irritated I get that Jon was wasted in this fight. This was supposed to be HIS fight! Now I’m wondering if they’ll just have Pod kill the Mountain and Missandei strangle Cersei. Agree. What they should have done is let Jon & NK have a good fight and like a true ninja assassin, Arya strikes a killer blow at last. What exactly did they achieve by making JON have such a long sequence of playing hide & seek with the blue dragon?
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Post by Marv on May 1, 2019 15:10:15 GMT
Jon should have been in the Godswood with Bran the whole time. There’s no reason for him to be flying about on a dragon in this fight. Dany, sure, because she’s a worthless fighter. But Jon has shown to be good enough with a sword to kill white walkers twice before. No reason to ignore the sword in this fight. The more I think on it the more irritated I get that Jon was wasted in this fight. This was supposed to be HIS fight! Now I’m wondering if they’ll just have Pod kill the Mountain and Missandei strangle Cersei. Agree. What they should have done is let Jon & NK have a good fight and like a true ninja assassin, Arya strikes a killer blow at last. What exactly did they achieve by making JON have such a long sequence of playing hide & seek with the blue dragon? It was ultimately unsatisfying.
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Post by Aj_June on May 1, 2019 15:10:36 GMT
That's a stupid plan. Sounds like something Jon Snow would have thought up. Better to smoke the Army of the Dead until the Night King shows up. They were supposed to stay close to the tree. There was no reason imo to treat the zombies as a regular army. They were vastly outnumbered with no shot of winning. That's why it's so funny when people whine that the Dothraki should have flanked them. No plan was going to work at all. Dany was literally burning through thousands of them each go around and there were still tons of them. Plus they had to be together to tackle a zombie dragon and especially since Jon wasn;t experienced. If anything, I thought it was goofy to have Jon even riding a dragon as dragons can fight on their own. The plan should have included two options: Dragonfire which no one knew would work Sword combat with Jon at the Weirwood The plan would not have actually impacted Arya delivering the killer blow. Dany was phenomenal in the war. She straight away saved the life of Jon. And indirectly saved Jaime & Brienne early on when she took out many wights in the part of the battle field Jaime & brienne were fighting. She was doing her best to clear as many wights as she could. Although NK made sure they couldn't get any WW because of the cold storm he created. Dany was simply awesome.
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Post by Aj_June on May 1, 2019 15:13:06 GMT
Agree. What they should have done is let Jon & NK have a good fight and like a true ninja assassin, Arya strikes a killer blow at last. What exactly did they achieve by making JON have such a long sequence of playing hide & seek with the blue dragon? It was ultimately unsatisfying. Again, areed. And they should also have given 2 or 3 more minutes of coverage to Jaime & Brienne. It felt they were being ignored. This was the great war they had devoted so much time to and Jon was integral to this and they left him out.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2019 15:28:48 GMT
They were supposed to stay close to the tree. There was no reason imo to treat the zombies as a regular army. They were vastly outnumbered with no shot of winning. That's why it's so funny when people whine that the Dothraki should have flanked them. No plan was going to work at all. Dany was literally burning through thousands of them each go around and there were still tons of them. Plus they had to be together to tackle a zombie dragon and especially since Jon wasn;t experienced. If anything, I thought it was goofy to have Jon even riding a dragon as dragons can fight on their own. The plan should have included two options: Dragonfire which no one knew would work Sword combat with Jon at the Weirwood The plan would not have actually impacted Arya delivering the killer blow. Jon should have been in the Godswood with Bran the whole time. There’s no reason for him to be flying about on a dragon in this fight. Dany, sure, because she’s a worthless fighter. But Jon has shown to be good enough with a sword to kill white walkers twice before. No reason to ignore the sword in this fight. The more I think on it the more irritated I get that Jon was wasted in this fight. This was supposed to be HIS fight! Now I’m wondering if they’ll just have Pod kill the Mountain and Missandei strangle Cersei. I think sidelining him and Dany was the plan to de-armor them a bit without actually killing them. Dany seeing her people killed would be the catalyst just like Jon messed up the plan when he saw Rickon was about to die in Battle of the Bastards. I think the story would have played out better with him losing to NK and then Arya swooping in. I also think the episode was initially much longer and the editing did not actually help with suspense and seemed more focused on cutting down time. My opinion is if NK wasn’t going to be the finale, then it deserved to take as long as needed. While I didn’t mind the war stuff being dark and confusing, this part didn’t need to be. So we were supposed to see the NK basically conquering everyone like Sauron in that he had the numbers to win and only the one dagger could beat him. Unfortunately it doesn’t really work because there’s too many locations they have to shoot between and the editing isn’t as good
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2019 15:40:11 GMT
They were supposed to stay close to the tree. There was no reason imo to treat the zombies as a regular army. They were vastly outnumbered with no shot of winning. That's why it's so funny when people whine that the Dothraki should have flanked them. No plan was going to work at all. Dany was literally burning through thousands of them each go around and there were still tons of them. Plus they had to be together to tackle a zombie dragon and especially since Jon wasn;t experienced. If anything, I thought it was goofy to have Jon even riding a dragon as dragons can fight on their own. The plan should have included two options: Dragonfire which no one knew would work Sword combat with Jon at the Weirwood The plan would not have actually impacted Arya delivering the killer blow. Dany was phenomenal in the war. She straight away saved the life of Jon. And indirectly saved Jaime & Brienne early on when she took out many wights in the part of the battle field Jaime & brienne were fighting. She was doing her best to clear as many wights as she could. Although NK made sure they couldn't get any WW because of the cold storm he created. Dany was simply awesome. While I agree with that, the initial plan was flawed in that they should have assumed massive collateral damage and divided the army based on each losing a similar amount or went on a dragon offense with trenches lit and the dragons at the front gate until NK shows up with his zombie dragon.
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Post by movieliker on May 1, 2019 16:24:20 GMT
That's a stupid plan. Sounds like something Jon Snow would have thought up. Better to smoke the Army of the Dead until the Night King shows up. They were supposed to stay close to the tree. There was no reason imo to treat the zombies as a regular army. They were vastly outnumbered with no shot of winning. That's why it's so funny when people whine that the Dothraki should have flanked them. No plan was going to work at all. Dany was literally burning through thousands of them each go around and there were still tons of them. Plus they had to be together to tackle a zombie dragon and especially since Jon wasn;t experienced. If anything, I thought it was goofy to have Jon even riding a dragon as dragons can fight on their own. That makes no sense to me. If they took some out and there were thousands more, than they should have continued to smoke them until the Night King showed up. Them flying all over Westeros the whole time the troops are trying to protect Winterfell, was stupid. I get they were going for the throat by focusing on the Night King. But the Night King wasn't doing anything until he showed up to fight. Meanwhile the the troops protecting Winterfell were dying and Winterfell was falling. "For example, the whole time between when the trenches were lighted, and the dead start climbing the walls, we see one scene of one dragon firing on the dead fighters. Then we see Jon on his dragon just perched on the castle walls just doing nothing. And Dany and her dragon are nowhere in sight. The dead stood there for a long time until they decided to form a body bridge over the fire. The dragons should have been touching them the whole time."Maybe it was just bad editing. But seemed like instead of assisting the troops defending Winterfeld during the attack, they were either missing, or doing nothing for long periods of time.
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