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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 24, 2019 7:27:33 GMT
Cersei's enemies are those who declare as such. Those who leave her alone have nothing to fear. Only the lizard bitch really wants to take her out, and maybe Tyrion. Jon would have no problem with her and Sansa merely wants to be safe. That you don't watch the show or want to believe in a show that goes on in your mind is not my problem. All of them are lining up to take down Cersei and that includes her lover Jaime. Jon, Sansa, Arya, Dany and Jaime are all her enemies.
And your amusing belief that Sansa is going to be adopted daughter of Cersei is far far removed from reality. If anything Sansa is one who dislikes Cersei the most and has been frequently saying no one should believe Cersei. She will lead the proposal to kick out Cersei for once and for all. I haven't seen the crap so I cannot argue much but I do not see Sansa supporting an unnecessary war. She would not go after Cersei like Daenerys would want to. I do not "believe" Cersei will adopt Sansa, this is not a prediction, only the better ending I would come up with. It is, however, rooted in the relationship between Mary Tudor and Elizabeth I and so remains a valid possibility. Where have you seen Jaime wants to go after Cersei next? Is it some other stupid viewer's fantasy or something he said?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 24, 2019 7:48:27 GMT
You're calling me dumb and yet I didn't utter one syllable about Tyrion. You are quoting his line to Jaime: "You always knew what she was…". Tyrion is the perfect example of a character who falls because of his own misconceptions, yet the audience thinks he's smart. The thing is, Jaime is the only character in the story who sees Cersei as she is, which is not as Tyrion or the dumber audience sees her. And I'll repeat it: only dumfucks ever believe Cersei was lying about her pregnancy. She could be mistaken about it, sad things like that happen, but definitely not lying to manipulate Jaime. No, I wasn't quoting him. In fact, Tyrion saying Jaime "always knew what she was" is the exact opposite of what I said. Dumbfuck.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 24, 2019 7:50:37 GMT
That you don't watch the show or want to believe in a show that goes on in your mind is not my problem. All of them are lining up to take down Cersei and that includes her lover Jaime. Jon, Sansa, Arya, Dany and Jaime are all her enemies.
And your amusing belief that Sansa is going to be adopted daughter of Cersei is far far removed from reality. If anything Sansa is one who dislikes Cersei the most and has been frequently saying no one should believe Cersei. She will lead the proposal to kick out Cersei for once and for all. I haven't seen the crap so I cannot argue much but I do not see Sansa supporting an unnecessary war. She would not go after Cersei like Daenerys would want to. I do not "believe" Cersei will adopt Sansa, this is not a prediction, only the better ending I would come up with. It is, however, rooted in the relationship between Mary Tudor and Elizabeth I and so remains a valid possibility. Where have you seen Jaime wants to go after Cersei next? Is it some other stupid viewer's fantasy or something he said?
Anyone who is with Cersei's enemies is Cersei's enemy. In just 4 weeks things will be clear as crystal.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 24, 2019 8:10:07 GMT
I haven't seen the crap so I cannot argue much but I do not see Sansa supporting an unnecessary war. She would not go after Cersei like Daenerys would want to. I do not "believe" Cersei will adopt Sansa, this is not a prediction, only the better ending I would come up with. It is, however, rooted in the relationship between Mary Tudor and Elizabeth I and so remains a valid possibility. Where have you seen Jaime wants to go after Cersei next? Is it some other stupid viewer's fantasy or something he said?
Anyone who is with Cersei's enemies is Cersei's enemies. In just 4 weeks things will be clear as crystal. I hope northern dogs will be wiped by then. They've been stinking for too long. Sansa is a Lannister, she'll be rescued first and kept safe. I must say I no longer care for Jaime's survival at this point. He's joined the stinking side.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 24, 2019 8:12:10 GMT
You are quoting his line to Jaime: "You always knew what she was…". Tyrion is the perfect example of a character who falls because of his own misconceptions, yet the audience thinks he's smart. The thing is, Jaime is the only character in the story who sees Cersei as she is, which is not as Tyrion or the dumber audience sees her. And I'll repeat it: only dumfucks ever believe Cersei was lying about her pregnancy. She could be mistaken about it, sad things like that happen, but definitely not lying to manipulate Jaime. No, I wasn't quoting him. In fact, Tyrion saying Jaime "always knew what she was" is the exact opposite of what I said. Dumbfuck. You were echoing Tyrion's opinion of Cersei. That was my point. You didn't get it, I know that. Another idiot on the list.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 24, 2019 8:44:23 GMT
No, I wasn't quoting him. In fact, Tyrion saying Jaime "always knew what she was" is the exact opposite of what I said. Dumbfuck. You were echoing Tyrion's opinion of Cersei. That was my point. You didn't get it, I know that. Another idiot on the list. Is Tyrion the only character on the show who doesn't like Cersei now? Accept your defeat and move on.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 24, 2019 8:59:06 GMT
You were echoing Tyrion's opinion of Cersei. That was my point. You didn't get it, I know that. Another idiot on the list. Is Tyrion the only character on the show who doesn't like Cersei now? Accept your defeat and move on. Not what I'm saying. Proving stupidity doesn't get you anywhere.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 24, 2019 9:23:18 GMT
Is Tyrion the only character on the show who doesn't like Cersei now? Accept your defeat and move on. Not what I'm saying. Proving stupidity doesn't get you anywhere. Yeah, what you're saying changes every five seconds in some unending and desperate attempt to link my comment to Tyrion. It doesn't link to Tyrion, it never linked to Tyrion, and it never will link to Tyrion. I understand Cersei probably reminds you of your own mother/sister given that you're clearly some mongoloid product of incest, and this gives you your charge to White Knight for her, but I don't need Tyrion or any of the other dozen characters who hate her to tell me she's a belligerent, short-sighted psychopath. You copy?
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 24, 2019 9:31:05 GMT
Not what I'm saying. Proving stupidity doesn't get you anywhere. Yeah, what you're saying changes every five seconds in some unending and desperate attempt to link my comment to Tyrion. It doesn't link to Tyrion, it never linked to Tyrion, and it never will link to Tyrion. I understand Cersei probably reminds you of your own mother/sister given that you're clearly some mongoloid product of incest, and this gives you your charge to White Knight for her, but I don't need Tyrion or any of the other dozen characters who hate her to tell me she's a belligerent, short-sighted psychopath. You copy?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 24, 2019 9:52:57 GMT
Not what I'm saying. Proving stupidity doesn't get you anywhere. Yeah, what you're saying changes every five seconds in some unending and desperate attempt to link my comment to Tyrion. It doesn't link to Tyrion, it never linked to Tyrion, and it never will link to Tyrion. I understand Cersei probably reminds you of your own mother/sister given that you're clearly some mongoloid product of incest, and this gives you your charge to White Knight for her, but I don't need Tyrion or any of the other dozen characters who hate her to tell me she's a belligerent, short-sighted psychopath. You copy? Your "understanding" of what people say fails to consolidate around anything and you are proving yourself as dumb scum. That's all there is to it. I'm not asking you if you understand this, I don't expect you to.
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Post by kls on Apr 24, 2019 10:19:32 GMT
If this is a silly question forgive me but what would be the status of an unmarried queen's bastard? (also please forgive the use of the word, but it does seem to play strongly into family claims).
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 24, 2019 11:05:34 GMT
If this is a silly question forgive me but what would be the status of an unmarried queen's bastard? (also please forgive the use of the word, but it does seem to play strongly into family claims). Such a case was never exposed in the show but the Bolton example can be extended. In the absence of alternative, the child would be the indisputable heir to the mother. In real history, this was the situation of Elizabeth I, who was declared illegitimate after Henry VIII's marriage with Anne Boleyn was annulled. She was in danger as a contender and was named Mary's heir after it became clear there would be no other. Some have said Cersei went to bed with Euron to pass her child as his, gaining Ironborn support in the process but people put way too much weight on rules when discussing those who actually make them. The very concept of illegitimate children was invented and supported by the Church around the 10th century to work against the fragmentation of rule by kings splitting their territories between their sons and the strife caused by their too often conflicting offspring. There is a passage in Gregory of Tours (6th century) in which a Merowingian Frankish king receives a pretender saying he was his son with some common woman. The king looks at him and denies being the father, sending him away without a legal claim in the process. The Franks were monogamous but had no concept of legitimacy. The son of a king was part of "the race" ("king" means "of the kin") and had a legitimate claim to rule, no matter who the mother was.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 24, 2019 11:25:08 GMT
(also please forgive the use of the word…). No need. The word designates the issue of a Germanic, pagan-like marriage, as opposed to one sanctified by the Christian Church. It is the juxtaposition of the old Germanic "bast" or "bost" with the old French "ard" indicating some origin (genitive case?). It was not a bad word for centuries.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 24, 2019 14:31:00 GMT
i said this in another thread but for all of you who hate cersei just remember this the mountain wont speak until all queens enemies are defeated , do you really think D&D wont play that scene out? and i tell you they will , i do believe cersei is pregnant she had no reason to lie to jamie. Cersei's enemies are Starks. Best of luck with some shitty 3rd grade character Mountain with few minutes of screen time finishing off all of Cersei's enemies. cersei named her enemies early on in S7 1st episode and it didnt include only the north , dany is her main enemy , you could be right about the mountain but when qyburn said that i didnt take it as the mountain will finish off ALL of the queens enemies , he simply said he took a vow not to speak again until all the graces enemies are defeated there is a pattern i noticed on GOT by the time someone wants to kill someone they end up getting killed before getting their chance most of cerseis enemies already have been defeated or captured.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 24, 2019 14:34:32 GMT
it was ending of S6 after cersei did her atonement walk and the moutain picked her up and her right hand man said those words and thats how that scene ended they highlighted it was pretty dramatic , dont know what you mean clarified but i think it was foreshadowed. I don't recall that being said at all. Never heard anybody even bring it up in conversation either that's why I was asking for clarification. Not saying you're wrong, I simply don't remember that or ever heard it mentioned by anybody. no problem i made a mistake which season it was and it was S5 not 6 ,sorry about that but here is the scene its near the end of the video i timed it so it will begin at the scene at the 6:41 mark hope it works
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 24, 2019 14:41:48 GMT
Cersei's enemies are Starks. Cersei's enemies are those who declare as such. Those who leave her alone have nothing to fear. Only the lizard bitch really wants to take her out, and maybe Tyrion. Jon would have no problem with her and Sansa merely wants to be safe. Leo i agree with that and we may have new proof how cersei will remain in power and it was revealed in last weeks episode will make a new post about it because its a different topic
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 24, 2019 14:54:56 GMT
Cersei's enemies are those who declare as such. Those who leave her alone have nothing to fear. Only the lizard bitch really wants to take her out, and maybe Tyrion. Jon would have no problem with her and Sansa merely wants to be safe. Leo i agree with that and we may have new proof how cersei will remain in power and it was revealed in last weeks episode will make a new post about it because its a different topic There is always a chance that Cersei would be portrayed as Stannis, going after all that doesn't bend the knee, but it would not be in character. She'll go against the declared threat: Daenerys. If I remember recaps correctly, she requested something from Jon which he had to refuse because he already had declared for Daenerys. Once she is gone, nothing stands in the way of an alliance with Cersei and we know he wouldn't even insist on keeping a crown himself. I wonder, though, if the coming episode is going to be such a defeat that Cersei's army would be all that's left to counter the Night King. That would be a typical GoT twist and all her little haters would choke for three long episodes.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 24, 2019 15:07:11 GMT
Leo i agree with that and we may have new proof how cersei will remain in power and it was revealed in last weeks episode will make a new post about it because its a different topic There is always a chance that Cersei would be portrayed as Stannis, going after all that doesn't bend the knee, but it would not be in character. She'll go against the declared threat: Daenerys. If I remember recaps correctly, she requested something from Jon which he had to refuse because he already had declared for Daenerys. Once she is gone, nothing stands in the way of an alliance with Cersei and we know he wouldn't even insist on keeping a crown himself. I wonder, though, if the coming episode is going to be such a defeat that Cersei's army would be all that's left to counter the Night King. That would be a typical GoT twist and all her little haters would choke for three long episodes. i could see that happening , especially if they will not defeat the NK in this battle jons quest is to defeat the NK and he will do what it takes to do so maybe indeed his meeting with cersei is about that needing her armies
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 24, 2019 15:27:27 GMT
Cersei's enemies are Starks. Best of luck with some shitty 3rd grade character Mountain with few minutes of screen time finishing off all of Cersei's enemies. cersei named her enemies early on in S7 1st episode and it didnt include only the north , dany is her main enemy , you could be right about the mountain but when qyburn said that i didnt take it as the mountain will finish off ALL of the queens enemies , he simply said he took a vow not to speak again until all the graces enemies are defeated there is a pattern i noticed on GOT by the time someone wants to kill someone they end up getting killed before getting their chance most of cerseis enemies already have been defeated or captured. That Cersei's only enemy is Dany is interpretation of Jonsa fans on tumblr. The vast majority of GOT fans do not believe in these views which give too much importance to Dany. All of them are Cersei's enemy. Sansa has repeatedly talked about how distrustful woman Cersei is. She hasn't done one good thing in her life and even says that she doesn't care about people. Cersei is not going to remain in power at the end of the show. And I can guarantee you that.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 24, 2019 15:49:35 GMT
cersei named her enemies early on in S7 1st episode and it didnt include only the north , dany is her main enemy , you could be right about the mountain but when qyburn said that i didnt take it as the mountain will finish off ALL of the queens enemies , he simply said he took a vow not to speak again until all the graces enemies are defeated there is a pattern i noticed on GOT by the time someone wants to kill someone they end up getting killed before getting their chance most of cerseis enemies already have been defeated or captured. That Cersei's only enemy is Dany is interpretation of Jonsa fans on tumblr. The vast majority of GOT fans do not believe in these views which give too much importance to Dany. All of them are Cersei's enemy. Sansa has repeatedly talked about how distrustful woman Cersei is. She hasn't done one good thing in her life and even says that she doesn't care about people. Cersei is not going to remain in power at the end of the show. And I can guarantee you that. The vast majority of GoT fans are young morons. The writers might write for them or not, but let's keep in mind that GRRM still claims the show brings his own ending so D&D are not twisting that. Would GRRM keep Cersei on the throne? Well, she is nowhere near being a major character in the books. She got a few point of view chapters from the 4th book only and he makes her so incompetent that she might well remain there as a drunken puppet while others rule over a limited kingdom in a fragmented Westeros. As to monarchic rulers having to do good things or care for the people, this is a story children want to be told but most certainly not the one GRRM writes.
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