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Post by Cody™ on Apr 23, 2019 10:23:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 15:41:29 GMT
God allowed all slavery, therefore god is pro-slavery.
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Post by faustus5 on Apr 23, 2019 15:57:39 GMT
If you valued truth, you'd be posting links to articles written by scholars and published in the peer reviewed press, not YouTube. You have entire passages in the Bible telling you how you can treat your slave. That alone buries the myth that the Bible doesn't support slavery.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 16:12:54 GMT
Sweet dreadlocked black Jesus...
Since when were personal biased opinions spouted on YouTube accepted as truth?
Have IQs really dropped that far?
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Post by politicidal on Apr 23, 2019 16:40:19 GMT
Sweet dreadlocked black Jesus... Since when were personal biased opinions spouted on YouTube accepted as truth? Have IQs really dropped that far? Couldn't speak for the collective but given national politics these days, they seem more vulnerable to it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 16:59:05 GMT
The usual distortions.
The bible condones slavery. There's no arguing this, no matter how hard people try.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 23, 2019 17:27:46 GMT
If you valued truth, you'd be posting links to articles written by scholars and published in the peer reviewed press, not YouTube. You have entire passages in the Bible telling you how you can treat your slave. That alone buries the myth that the Bible doesn't support slavery. God regulates a certain type of slavery for a reason. Because it was needed in the society of that time in order for it to continue. The third part of the series goes over this.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 23, 2019 17:28:30 GMT
The usual distortions. The bible condones slavery. There's no arguing this, no matter how hard people try. Watch the series.
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Post by faustus5 on Apr 23, 2019 17:37:42 GMT
God regulates a certain type of slavery for a reason. Because it was needed in the society of that time in order for it to continue. No, slavery was never "needed" at any time and there is no excuse for it. Your god is pure evil. . .and you just contradicted yourself by admitting the bible supports slavery. So there's that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 17:39:21 GMT
If you valued truth, you'd be posting links to articles written by scholars and published in the peer reviewed press, not YouTube. You have entire passages in the Bible telling you how you can treat your slave. That alone buries the myth that the Bible doesn't support slavery. God regulates a certain type of slavery for a reason. Because it was needed in the society of that time in order for it to continue. The third part of the series goes over this. So what you're saying is that the Bible, the OT in particular, was a product of it's time and social situation... and shouldn't be taken literally today 🤨 Right, got that 👍 |
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 23, 2019 17:47:32 GMT
God regulates a certain type of slavery for a reason. Because it was needed in the society of that time in order for it to continue. No, slavery was never "needed" at any time and there is no excuse for it. Your god is pure evil. . .and you just contradicted yourself by admitting the bible supports slavery. So there's that. If you can call indentured servitude slavery.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 18:47:21 GMT
God regulates a certain type of slavery for a reason. Then, by your own admission, god condones slavery. Sure, because getting pyramids built to false gods requires the sweat of the yoked and shackled... certainly not the power of an 'all mighty'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 18:58:04 GMT
The usual distortions. The bible condones slavery. There's no arguing this, no matter how hard people try. Watch the series. Accept the truth.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Apr 23, 2019 19:34:07 GMT
Since when were personal biased opinions spouted on YouTube accepted as truth? ... Since when were personal biased opinions based upon The Bible accepted as truth?
Those that say The Bible is "The Truth" are merely cherry-picking passages to support their beliefs. And the part where Jehovah endorses slavery is usually overlooked by these people.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 23, 2019 19:58:13 GMT
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Post by gadreel on Apr 23, 2019 20:33:52 GMT
God regulates a certain type of slavery for a reason. Then, by your own admission, god condones slavery. Sure, because getting pyramids built to false gods requires the sweat of the yoked and shackled... certainly not the power of an 'all mighty' but the pyramids were not built by slaves . .
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Apr 23, 2019 22:07:35 GMT
If the Bible so obviously condemns slavery then why did the the Catholic Church not explicitly say so until modern times? For instance only in 1866 The Holy Office of Pope Pius IX affirmed that, subject to conditions, it was not against divine law for a slave to be sold, bought or exchanged. The best it could do until very late on was to issue papal bulls condemning "unjust" enslavement ("just" enslavement was still accepted as a form of punishment), and mistreatment of Native Americans by Spanish and Portuguese colonials; however, these were largely ignored. This while Protestant missionaries in the early modern Atlantic World developed a new vision for slavery that integrated Christianity with human bondage. Protestant slave owners fiercely guarded their Christian rituals from non-white outsiders and rebuffed the efforts of Quaker, Anglican, and Moravian missionaries to convert the enslaved population. For planters, Protestantism was a sign of mastery and freedom, and most believed that slaves should not be eligible for conversion. And so on. This is not to say that there were not early Christians working against the odious institution and helped to seed its downfall of course, but any moral lead has often been half hearted and mixed, arguably reflecting the equivocating stance of scripture.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Apr 24, 2019 12:16:08 GMT
If the Bible so obviously condemns slavery then why did the the Catholic Church not explicitly say so until modern times? For instance only in 1866 The Holy Office of Pope Pius IX affirmed that, subject to conditions, it was not against divine law for a slave to be sold, bought or exchanged. The best it could do until very late on was to issue papal bulls condemning "unjust" enslavement ("just" enslavement was still accepted as a form of punishment), and mistreatment of Native Americans by Spanish and Portuguese colonials; however, these were largely ignored. This while Protestant missionaries in the early modern Atlantic World developed a new vision for slavery that integrated Christianity with human bondage. Protestant slave owners fiercely guarded their Christian rituals from non-white outsiders and rebuffed the efforts of Quaker, Anglican, and Moravian missionaries to convert the enslaved population. For planters, Protestantism was a sign of mastery and freedom, and most believed that slaves should not be eligible for conversion. And so on. This is not to say that there were not early Christians working against the odious institution and helped to seed its downfall of course, but any moral lead has often been half hearted and mixed, arguably reflecting the equivocating stance of scripture. Deny, deny, deny, just like Joey Bishop in A Guide for the Married Man
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Post by Vegas on Apr 24, 2019 14:17:42 GMT
I dunno... One hand.. I see the whole slavery thing as weird and problematic. On the other hand... I get that it's not really "supporting" the Southern-American style of slavery.   The Bible holds that the lives we live as temporary and relatively meaningless in the scope of an eternal universe where a resurrection into a better (and permanent) world is the main focus. To The Bible, being a slave is as meaningless as being any other worker. It gives rules and suggestions for both slaver-owners and slaves: If your a slave: Be trustworthy and obedient. Be a good slave. If you are a slave owner: Be kind and merciful. If you were a slave owner and you found that you had to beat a slave as punishment... and you accidently killed him: There was a price to be paid for his life... Granted, if he died more than three days later, you're off the hook.. which still seems kinda fucked up to me... but... I guess that's why you shouldn't be a shitty slave.  |
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 24, 2019 14:30:52 GMT
Jesus didn't.
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