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Post by jamescfinn on Apr 24, 2019 15:00:08 GMT
Two word rebuttal. Your best post yet.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 24, 2019 15:24:34 GMT
Two word rebuttal. Your best post yet. That's all it took.
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Post by Isapop on Apr 24, 2019 15:29:30 GMT
I dunno... The Bible holds that the lives we live as temporary and relatively meaningless in the scope of an eternal universe where a resurrection into a better (and permanent) world is the main focus. So the Bible is much too focused on "The Big Picture" to worry about telling the Israelites, "Do not own slaves". Not gonna fly. "The Big Picture" didn't distract the Bible (or God) from laying down hundreds of rules (dietary, clothes, rituals, etc.) for the Israelites to obey. gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html It's hard to argue that prohibiting slavery doesn't make the cut in "the lives we live as temporary and relatively meaningless in the scope of an eternal universe" when prohibiting wearing clothes of mixed fabrics does.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 24, 2019 15:31:14 GMT
I dunno... One hand.. I see the whole slavery thing as weird and problematic. On the other hand... I get that it's not really "supporting" the Southern-American style of slavery.   The Bible holds that the lives we live as temporary and relatively meaningless in the scope of an eternal universe where a resurrection into a better (and permanent) world is the main focus. To The Bible, being a slave is as meaningless as being any other worker. It gives rules and suggestions for both slaver-owners and slaves: If your a slave: Be trustworthy and obedient. Be a good slave. If you are a slave owner: Be kind and merciful. If you were a slave owner and you found that you had to beat a slave as punishment... and you accidently killed him: There was a price to be paid for his life... Granted, if he died more than three days later, you're off the hook.. which still seems kinda fucked up to me... but... I guess that's why you shouldn't be a shitty slave.  So the Bible is much too focused on "The Big Picture" to worry about telling the Israelites, "Do not own slaves". Not gonna fly. "The Big Picture" didn't distract the Bible (or God) from laying down hundreds of rules (dietary, clothes, rituals, etc.) for the Israelites to obey. gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html It's hard to argue that prohibiting slavery doesn't make the cut in "the lives we live as temporary and relatively meaningless in the scope of an eternal universe" when prohibiting wearing clothes of mixed fabrics does.
Just stop trying to be a smart arse for once and listen to the videos. Then have a go at trying to refute them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 15:37:16 GMT
Two word rebuttal. Your best post yet. That's all it took. For once, I agree with Heeeeeey. Jesus' New Covenant is liberation theology for slaves, women, and the poor. |
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Post by Vegas on Apr 24, 2019 16:19:38 GMT
I dunno... The Bible holds that the lives we live as temporary and relatively meaningless in the scope of an eternal universe where a resurrection into a better (and permanent) world is the main focus. So the Bible is much too focused on "The Big Picture" to worry about telling the Israelites, "Do not own slaves". Not gonna fly. "The Big Picture" didn't distract the Bible (or God) from laying down hundreds of rules (dietary, clothes, rituals, etc.) for the Israelites to obey. gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html It's hard to argue that prohibiting slavery doesn't make the cut in "the lives we live as temporary and relatively meaningless in the scope of an eternal universe" when prohibiting wearing clothes of mixed fabrics does.
 The point is that being slavery is just as ultimately meaningless as being a carpenter... or a soldier who has been drafted... What you do for a living - whether as a free man or a slave - doesn't make you who you are: Be the best you whatever you are or your lot in life. You can be slave... and still not eat pork.. or mix fabrics.  Being a slave owner is ultimately no different than being a CEO or business owner: Having riches and power over others doesn't make you a good person. Be kind and decent to the people beneath you.. whether you pay them out right or they owe their life itself to you. And... whatever we are in this world, slave or owner... It's short-lived compared to the one that is to come.... Biblically speaking. Hell, Biblically speaking...We're all slaves to death. Sure: Slavery sucks. I'd just thank God - if He existed - that I ain't one. Hell... I'd thank him even more if I never had to work for a living at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 17:29:51 GMT
Then why did he specify that they shouldn't be beaten?
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Post by Isapop on Apr 24, 2019 19:36:21 GMT
So the Bible is much too focused on "The Big Picture" to worry about telling the Israelites, "Do not own slaves". Not gonna fly. "The Big Picture" didn't distract the Bible (or God) from laying down hundreds of rules (dietary, clothes, rituals, etc.) for the Israelites to obey. gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html It's hard to argue that prohibiting slavery doesn't make the cut in "the lives we live as temporary and relatively meaningless in the scope of an eternal universe" when prohibiting wearing clothes of mixed fabrics does.
The point is that being slavery is just as ultimately meaningless as being a carpenter... or a soldier who has been drafted... What you do for a living - whether as a free man or a slave - doesn't make you who you are: Be the best you whatever you are or your lot in life. You can be slave... and still not eat pork.. or mix fabrics. Rewording your point doesn't change what's wrong with it. Mixing fabrics (as well as hundreds of other actions), just like slave owning, is "ultimately meaningless", too. Yet the Bible (or God) feels that, unlike slave owning, it was something deemed offensive enough to prohibit.
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Post by Vegas on Apr 24, 2019 19:49:57 GMT
Rewording your point doesn't change what's wrong with it. Mixing fabrics (as well as hundreds of other actions), just like slave owning, is "ultimately meaningless", too. Yet the Bible (or God) feels that, unlike slave owning, it was something deemed offensive enough to prohibit.
Avoiding those things that pisses God off and doing the things that God likes.... IS what makes a person "Godly". The point... again... is that people can do those things while being either a slave or a slave-owner. Maybe to The Bible's view: It's a shitty way of life... but, for some it might have been the only way of life... so instead of banning it outright, beings how this shitty life and this shitty version of the world is only temporary... might as well make guides how to do it in a comparatively decent manner.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 24, 2019 19:58:24 GMT
The point is that being slavery is just as ultimately meaningless as being a carpenter... or a soldier who has been drafted... What you do for a living - whether as a free man or a slave - doesn't make you who you are: Be the best you whatever you are or your lot in life. You can be slave... and still not eat pork.. or mix fabrics. Rewording your point doesn't change what's wrong with it. Mixing fabrics (as well as hundreds of other actions), just like slave owning, is "ultimately meaningless", too. Yet the Bible (or God) feels that, unlike slave owning, it was something deemed offensive enough to prohibit.
Are you going to watch the videos and maybe have a go at refuting them?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 20:10:23 GMT
Rewording your point doesn't change what's wrong with it. Mixing fabrics (as well as hundreds of other actions), just like slave owning, is "ultimately meaningless", too. Yet the Bible (or God) feels that, unlike slave owning, it was something deemed offensive enough to prohibit.
Are you going to watch the videos and maybe have a go at refuting them? I'm guessing not... all your links are total pish. |
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Post by Isapop on Apr 24, 2019 20:31:11 GMT
Rewording your point doesn't change what's wrong with it. Mixing fabrics (as well as hundreds of other actions), just like slave owning, is "ultimately meaningless", too. Yet the Bible (or God) feels that, unlike slave owning, it was something deemed offensive enough to prohibit.
Are you going to watch the videos and maybe have a go at refuting them? Do any of the videos offer the argument that Vegas offered? If not, maybe it's because the video creator knows what a faulty argument it is.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 24, 2019 20:32:37 GMT
 Are you going to watch the videos and maybe have a go at refuting them? I'm guessing not... all your links are total pish. So are nearly all your posts which is why I will now do something I’ve been meaning to do for a while. Place you on ignore where you belong. Adios.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 24, 2019 20:34:45 GMT
Are you going to watch the videos and maybe have a go at refuting them? Do any of the videos offer the argument that Vegas offered? If not, maybe it's because the video creator knows what a faulty argument it is.
No, I don’t think so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 20:36:41 GMT
I'm guessing not... all your links are total pish. So are nearly all your posts which is why you I will now do something I’ve been meaning to do for a while. Place you on ignore where you belong. Adios. 
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Post by Isapop on Apr 24, 2019 21:05:38 GMT
Do any of the videos offer the argument that Vegas offered? If not, maybe it's because the video creator knows what a faulty argument it is.
No, I don’t think so. So maybe that it's not included tells you something about that argument. But sorry, I'll pass on your videos. Old Testament slavery is not really one of the "issues" I have with Bible based religion, so I don't feel I must confront every defense made for it. But when I'm shown a bad argument for anything (including an argument supporting my own position), I will confront it, as I did in this case.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 24, 2019 21:41:43 GMT
So maybe that it's not included tells you something about that argument. But sorry, I'll pass on your videos. Old Testament slavery is not really one of the "issues" I have with Bible based religion, so I don't feel I must confront every defense made for it. But when I'm shown a bad argument for anything (including an argument supporting my own position), I will confront it, as I did in this case.
LOL That is your prerogative. But evasion duly noted.
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Post by Isapop on Apr 24, 2019 21:53:14 GMT
So maybe that it's not included tells you something about that argument. But sorry, I'll pass on your videos. Old Testament slavery is not really one of the "issues" I have with Bible based religion, so I don't feel I must confront every defense made for it. But when I'm shown a bad argument for anything (including an argument supporting my own position), I will confront it, as I did in this case.
LOL That is your prerogative. But evasion duly noted. Evasion? You asked me if I'm going to watch your videos, and I said I'm not going to. That's not an evasion.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 24, 2019 22:02:44 GMT
LOL That is your prerogative. But evasion duly noted. Evasion? You asked me if I'm going to watch your videos, and I said I'm not going to. That's not an evasion. Evasion means to avoid something. You’re avoiding my challenge to you of watching the videos and attempt to refute them.
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Post by Isapop on Apr 24, 2019 22:39:37 GMT
Evasion? You asked me if I'm going to watch your videos, and I said I'm not going to. That's not an evasion. Evasion means to avoid something. No. I'll let Wiki take over: In ethics, evasion is an act that deceives by stating a true statement that is irrelevant or leads to a false conclusion. For instance, a man knows that another man is in a room in the building because he heard him, but in answer to a question, says, "I have not seen him," thereby falsely implying that he does not know. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evasion_(ethics) Just because you post a video, it doesn't place anyone under the obligation to watch it or be guilty of evasion.
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