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Post by kuatorises on Apr 29, 2019 11:08:03 GMT
Okay, hold up, timeout. I'm not super in-depth with all of the Marvel movies but when was time travel a thing? I don't recall it ever being one but I have not seen every single film. I had assumed that Dr. Strange used magical prediction powers to guess at every possible future outcome but that is not so much time travel as it is a form of clairvoyance. Did I miss something? You make a wrong turn onto this board?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:42:39 GMT
Okay, hold up, timeout. I'm not super in-depth with all of the Marvel movies but when was time travel a thing? I don't recall it ever being one but I have not seen every single film. I had assumed that Dr. Strange used magical prediction powers to guess at every possible future outcome but that is not so much time travel as it is a form of clairvoyance. Did I miss something? You make a wrong turn onto this board? Nah. I hadn't realized at the time that time travel was suddenly thrust into the mix as a plot device. I'd figured it would be better established in universe before Endgame.
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Post by pk9 on Apr 29, 2019 19:42:04 GMT
Can we talk about how absolutely horrible their solution actually was?
Statistically, when Thanos did the Snap, 25% of couples lost both partners, 25% were spared, and a whopping 50% lost one partner but not the other.
FIVE YEARS LATER, how many of those widows/widowers are likely to have stayed alone? They brought back all these people and many will be returning to loved ones who have already moved on and established new relationships.
Preventing the Snap and erasing the timeline would have been the far better solution.
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Post by Mutant 77 on Apr 29, 2019 23:41:56 GMT
Can we talk about how absolutely horrible their solution actually was? Statistically, when Thanos did the Snap, 25% of couples lost both partners, 25% were spared, and a whopping 50% lost one partner but not the other. FIVE YEARS LATER, how many of those widows/widowers are likely to have stayed alone? They brought back all these people and many will be returning to loved ones who have already moved on and established new relationships. Preventing the Snap and erasing the timeline would have been the far better solution. It's not a viable solution, it's a catastrophe. There should be a 20-episode TV series dealing with such a terrible social scenario. The MCU Earth is forever screwed up, trust me.
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Post by Mutant 77 on Apr 30, 2019 10:44:27 GMT
From a recent interview with the RUSSOS:
Q: Did Captain America's action at the end affect the timeline? Does that mean there was a time where two CA existed in a same universe?
A: To me, CA's action in the end wasn't the fact he wanted to change anything, it's more like me has made a choice. He chose to go back to past and lived with the one he loved for the rest of his life. The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality. He lived a completely different life in that world. We don't know how exactly his life turned out, but I'd like to believe he still helped many others when they were needed in that world. Yes, there were two CA in that reality, it's just like what Hulk said, what happened in the past has already happened. If you go back to past, you simply created a new reality. The characters in this movie created new timeline when they went back to the past, but it had no effect to the prime universe. What happened in the past 22 movies was still canon.
Q: EG's plot, is it a parallel universe or a closed time loop?
A: Nope, not a time loop. Both Ancinet One and Hulk were right. You can't change the future by simply going back to past. But it's possible to create a different alternate future. It's not butterfly effect. Every decision you made in the past could potentially create a new timeline. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.
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Post by Mutant 77 on Apr 30, 2019 11:55:04 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 30, 2019 13:31:18 GMT
Can we talk about how absolutely horrible their solution actually was? Statistically, when Thanos did the Snap, 25% of couples lost both partners, 25% were spared, and a whopping 50% lost one partner but not the other. FIVE YEARS LATER, how many of those widows/widowers are likely to have stayed alone? They brought back all these people and many will be returning to loved ones who have already moved on and established new relationships. Preventing the Snap and erasing the timeline would have been the far better solution. The returned haven't aged, so schools will be inundated with new students the system hasn't had to account for. Seriously ill or injured patients will most likely die before receiving proper treatment. (You're no longer on the waiting list for a transplant, you'd have to be re-entered in a care program, etc.) Never mind the people who died as a direct result of the snap, not just those who were dusted. i.e., the people in aircraft whose pilots were dusted, people in surgery whose surgeons were dusted, etc. What if you come back and your family has died of natural causes while you were away? The justice system is screwed. How many dusted people were awaiting trial or victims of a crime which never went to trial? You'd suddenly have billions of unemployed people who've missed out on five years of technological advancement, facing a global economic system not prepared to feed twice as many mouths with the same resources it had yesterday. All this because Tony didn't want to sacrifice his daughter, who still would've been born anyway. Kind of a dick move when you think about it.
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Post by Mutant 77 on Apr 30, 2019 17:54:50 GMT
Can we talk about how absolutely horrible their solution actually was? Statistically, when Thanos did the Snap, 25% of couples lost both partners, 25% were spared, and a whopping 50% lost one partner but not the other. FIVE YEARS LATER, how many of those widows/widowers are likely to have stayed alone? They brought back all these people and many will be returning to loved ones who have already moved on and established new relationships. Preventing the Snap and erasing the timeline would have been the far better solution. The returned haven't aged, so schools will be inundated with new students the system hasn't had to account for. Seriously ill or injured patients will most likely die before receiving proper treatment. (You're no longer on the waiting list for a transplant, you'd have to be re-entered in a care program, etc.) Never mind the people who died as a direct result of the snap, not just those who were dusted. i.e., the people in aircraft whose pilots were dusted, people in surgery whose surgeons were dusted, etc. What if you come back and your family has died of natural causes while you were away? The justice system is screwed. How many dusted people were awaiting trial or victims of a crime which never went to trial? You'd suddenly have billions of unemployed people who've missed out on five years of technological advancement, facing a global economic system not prepared to feed twice as many mouths with the same resources it had yesterday. All this because Tony didn't want to sacrifice his daughter, who still would've been born anyway. Kind of a dick move when you think about it. TRUE. WELL, If you think about it, when they return the stones back from "where" they stole, it's not just time travel anymore but interdimensional travel as well, because they are not going back to their "PAST" (the MCU Prime Timeline) but all other "branched" realities that they they created at the beginning, when they time traveled and stole the stones. What a mess!
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Post by Mutant 77 on May 1, 2019 0:24:39 GMT
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Post by Mutant 77 on May 2, 2019 10:24:03 GMT
Well, it's not THAT big of stretch that Cap returned to the original timeline so easily... think that the Avengers, once stolen the stones at the beginning, then come back to the future (present time - 2018) of their original MCU timeline without any problem. Right?
So there's officially a way... no matter where you go in time and how many branched realities you create, you can always come back to the original timeline.
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Post by charzhino on May 2, 2019 10:29:59 GMT
Well, it's not THAT big of stretch that Cap returned to the original timeline so easily... think that the Avengers, once stolen the stones at the beginning, then come back to the future (present time - 2018) of their original MCU timeline without any problem. Right? So there's officially a way... no matter where you go in time and how many branched realities you create, you can always come back to the original timeline.Only as long as you have pym particles and the quantum GPS device. Without those 2 things you cant timetravel. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on May 2, 2019 10:30:53 GMT
Well, it's not THAT big of stretch that Cap returned to the original timeline so easily... think that the Avengers, once stolen the stones at the beginning, then come back to the future (present time - 2018) of their original MCU timeline without any problem. Right? So there's officially a way... no matter where you go in time and how many branched realities you create, you can always come back to the original timeline.Only as long as you have pym particles and the quantum GPS device. Without those 2 things you cant timetravel. Yeah. We must assume the GPS device can bring you back to the prime timeline.
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Post by charzhino on May 2, 2019 10:36:05 GMT
Only as long as you have pym particles and the quantum GPS device. Without those 2 things you cant timetravel. Yeah. We must assume the GPS device can bring you back to the prime timeline. Yes which isnt a great idea for timetravel as you can go into several past timelines and bring back multiple items/people of the same identity. So theoretically you can have 100 Tony Starks all living in the prime timeline even though hes dead in the prime. 100 infinity gauntlets in the prime timeline. 100 Thanos's in the prime timeline. Its absurd which is why the Xmen time travel dynamics are a lot more cleaner. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on May 2, 2019 10:38:56 GMT
Yeah. We must assume the GPS device can bring you back to the prime timeline. Yes which isnt a great idea for timetravel as you can go into several past timelines and bring back multiple items/people of the same identity. So theoretically you can have 100 Tony Starks all living in the prime timeline even though hes dead in the prime. 100 infinity gauntlets in the prime timeline. 100 Thanos's in the prime timeline. Its absurd which is why the Xmen time travel dynamics are a lot more cleaner. YES, I agree. Have you read my X-Men timelines? 
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Post by charzhino on May 2, 2019 10:49:10 GMT
Yes which isnt a great idea for timetravel as you can go into several past timelines and bring back multiple items/people of the same identity. So theoretically you can have 100 Tony Starks all living in the prime timeline even though hes dead in the prime. 100 infinity gauntlets in the prime timeline. 100 Thanos's in the prime timeline. Its absurd which is why the Xmen time travel dynamics are a lot more cleaner. YES, I agree. Have you read my X-Men timelines? Iv visited you're blogs before when you were on imdb as Knowbywarrior. I agree that theres 3 timeline divergences but Shaw being a timetraveller is still difficult to comprehend lol |
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Post by Mutant 77 on May 2, 2019 10:58:11 GMT
YES, I agree. Have you read my X-Men timelines? Iv visited you're blogs before when you were on imdb as Knowbywarrior. I agree that theres 3 timeline divergences but Shaw being a timetraveller is still difficult to comprehend lol I totally rewrote the timelines lately, so I invite you to read them again, and you'll see that the "Sebastian Shaw idea" makes a lot of sense.
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Post by charzhino on May 2, 2019 11:00:50 GMT
Iv visited you're blogs before when you were on imdb as Knowbywarrior. I agree that theres 3 timeline divergences but Shaw being a timetraveller is still difficult to comprehend lol I totally rewrote the timelines lately, so I invite you to read them again, and you'll see that the "Sebastian Shaw idea" makes a lot of sense. I will read them. I assume youve included Deadpool 2s timetravel as canon to mainline X-films. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on May 2, 2019 12:07:08 GMT
I totally rewrote the timelines lately, so I invite you to read them again, and you'll see that the "Sebastian Shaw idea" makes a lot of sense. I will read them. I assume youve included Deadpool 2s timetravel as canon to mainline X-films. FOR NOW, I wrote off the two Deadpool movies as a standalone universe. For now. The interdimensional travel at the very end brings Deadpool to a "branched" reality identical to the Timeline 1 of the main X-Men universe, even.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 2, 2019 13:50:34 GMT
The real best answer for all the time travel stuff is "who gives a fuck?"; and then just enjoy the movie as is anyhow. Its pretty clear they did NOT get everything right, or at the very least it came across as confusing. But who cares? It was still fun.
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Post by Mutant 77 on May 2, 2019 18:25:53 GMT
he real best answer for all the time travel stuff is "who gives a fuck?"; and then just enjoy the movie as is anyhow. Its pretty clear they did NOT get everything right, or at the very least it came across as confusing. But who cares? It was still fun. That's for sure.
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