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Post by charzhino on May 4, 2019 20:13:03 GMT
His trauma is never treated with sincerity or respect. He’s become fat and lazy, dirty and gross, and for that he is punished. The camera lingers on his bloated torso, in a cruel subversion of the loving gaze normally aimed at a shirtless and ripped Thor. Other characters mock his appearance, comparing him to “melted ice cream” and suggesting Cheez Whiz flows through his veins. A fat, depressed, alcoholic Thor could have led to a really interesting and refreshing exploration of mental health and addiction. Even one of the few sincere moments Thor gets in the movie — when he encounters his dead mother and gets to have a conversation with her about who he is and who he wants to be — is undercut when she nastily tells him to “eat a salad.” I dont agree with all these PC outraged articles about how fat shaming is wrong but this extract is spot on. His trauma and mental is taken as a joke. And that eat a salad is cringe as hell, wrecks the good moment they were having. I can guarantee that Hemsworth would have suggested that line. He needs to start taking some dramatic roles again because all these comedy characters hes been playing in Ghostbusters, Ragnarok, Men in black are damaging his credibility because hes not as funny as he thinks he is
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 4, 2019 21:00:19 GMT
I hated the way they handled Thor. He went from an awesome badass bent on revenge to the butt of an overused and unfunny joke.
What a waste
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Post by Skaathar on May 4, 2019 21:07:00 GMT
His trauma is never treated with sincerity or respect. He’s become fat and lazy, dirty and gross, and for that he is punished. The camera lingers on his bloated torso, in a cruel subversion of the loving gaze normally aimed at a shirtless and ripped Thor. Other characters mock his appearance, comparing him to “melted ice cream” and suggesting Cheez Whiz flows through his veins. A fat, depressed, alcoholic Thor could have led to a really interesting and refreshing exploration of mental health and addiction. Even one of the few sincere moments Thor gets in the movie — when he encounters his dead mother and gets to have a conversation with her about who he is and who he wants to be — is undercut when she nastily tells him to “eat a salad.” I dont agree with all these PC outraged articles about how fat shaming is wrong but this extract is spot on. His trauma and mental is taken as a joke. And that eat a salad is cringe as hell, wrecks the good moment they were having. I can guarantee that Hemsworth would have suggested that line. He needs to start taking some dramatic roles again because all these comedy characters hes been playing in Ghostbusters, Ragnarok, Men in black are damaging his credibility because hes not as funny as he thinks he is Personally I didn't mind the fat jokes. My friends used to tease me when I got fat and as long as it was said in good humor it didn't really sting. Of course, I can't speak for every fat person around though. That said, what irritated me was his incompetence. Look, fat people can still be competent in what they do. This movie reinforced the stereotype that fat people are losers and are incapable of success. His fighting skills has gone to shit, he's unable to deliver any decent lightning blasts, he's now so dumb he can't explain the reality stone, he acts like a spaced-out bumbling idiot who has a hard time maintaining conversations, he's irresponsible and turned his back on his people, and he can't even muster enough courage to talk to his ex girlfriend. Now that pisses me off. Because yeah, I don't mind being teased about being fat or needing to eat a salad, but I do hate it when people act like being fat is synonymous to being incompetent.
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Post by merh on May 4, 2019 21:11:05 GMT
His trauma is never treated with sincerity or respect. He’s become fat and lazy, dirty and gross, and for that he is punished. The camera lingers on his bloated torso, in a cruel subversion of the loving gaze normally aimed at a shirtless and ripped Thor. Other characters mock his appearance, comparing him to “melted ice cream” and suggesting Cheez Whiz flows through his veins. A fat, depressed, alcoholic Thor could have led to a really interesting and refreshing exploration of mental health and addiction. Even one of the few sincere moments Thor gets in the movie — when he encounters his dead mother and gets to have a conversation with her about who he is and who he wants to be — is undercut when she nastily tells him to “eat a salad.” I dont agree with all these PC outraged articles about how fat shaming is wrong but this extract is spot on. His trauma and mental is taken as a joke. And that eat a salad is cringe as hell, wrecks the good moment they were having. I can guarantee that Hemsworth would have suggested that line. He needs to start taking some dramatic roles again because all these comedy characters hes been playing in Ghostbusters, Ragnarok, Men in black are damaging his credibility because hes not as funny as he thinks he is He did take Thanos's head. There are many different life forms in the galaxy so it's a bit difficult to know how to destroy every one. Taking Deadpool's head wouldnt work, would it? I still think Thanos was dicking with Thor. He had the time stone so rewinding his death would be nothing. And we saw him use the reality stone with the guardians. He was pretty invincible by that point. The only win would have been getting the glove off & Quill messed that up.
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Post by merh on May 4, 2019 21:12:59 GMT
I dont agree with all these PC outraged articles about how fat shaming is wrong but this extract is spot on. His trauma and mental is taken as a joke. And that eat a salad is cringe as hell, wrecks the good moment they were having. I can guarantee that Hemsworth would have suggested that line. He needs to start taking some dramatic roles again because all these comedy characters hes been playing in Ghostbusters, Ragnarok, Men in black are damaging his credibility because hes not as funny as he thinks he is Personally I didn't mind the fat jokes. My friends used to tease me when I got fat and as long as it was said in good humor it didn't really sting. Of course, I can't speak for every fat person around though. That said, what irritated me was his incompetence. Look, fat people can still be competent in what they do. This movie reinforced the stereotype that fat people are losers and are incapable of success. His fighting skills has gone to shit, he's unable to deliver any decent lightning blasts, he's now so dumb he can't explain the reality stone, he acts like a spaced-out bumbling idiot who has a hard time maintaining conversations, he's irresponsible and turned his back on his people, and he can't even muster enough courage to talk to his ex girlfriend. Now that pisses me off. Because yeah, I don't mind being teased about being fat or needing to eat a salad, but I do hate it when people act like being fat is synonymous to being incompetent. Volstagg the Voluminous, anyone? Competent member of the Warriors Three for centuries.
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Post by charzhino on May 4, 2019 23:00:09 GMT
I dont agree with all these PC outraged articles about how fat shaming is wrong but this extract is spot on. His trauma and mental is taken as a joke. And that eat a salad is cringe as hell, wrecks the good moment they were having. I can guarantee that Hemsworth would have suggested that line. He needs to start taking some dramatic roles again because all these comedy characters hes been playing in Ghostbusters, Ragnarok, Men in black are damaging his credibility because hes not as funny as he thinks he is Personally I didn't mind the fat jokes. My friends used to tease me when I got fat and as long as it was said in good humor it didn't really sting. Of course, I can't speak for every fat person around though. That said, what irritated me was his incompetence. Look, fat people can still be competent in what they do. This movie reinforced the stereotype that fat people are losers and are incapable of success. His fighting skills has gone to shit, he's unable to deliver any decent lightning blasts, he's now so dumb he can't explain the reality stone, he acts like a spaced-out bumbling idiot who has a hard time maintaining conversations, he's irresponsible and turned his back on his people, and he can't even muster enough courage to talk to his ex girlfriend. Now that pisses me off. Because yeah, I don't mind being teased about being fat or needing to eat a salad, but I do hate it when people act like being fat is synonymous to being incompetent. Fat jokes are okay if you dont overuse them but they did. It made thor out as worthless, especially the Rhodey cheese wiz line when Thors explaining his plan because it makes him seem like a child whose information doesnt matter. I didnt mind him being insecure about seeing Jane. Thats a quite natural response in not wanting your love to see you in a rock bottom kind of state.
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Post by James on May 4, 2019 23:19:10 GMT
I thought it was pretty hilarious what they did with his character. What else could they have done? Have him moping and doping? That would’ve been too lame and predictable.
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Post by Skaathar on May 5, 2019 0:34:20 GMT
I thought it was pretty hilarious what they did with his character. What else could they have done? Have him moping and doping? That would’ve been too lame and predictable. It's fine what they did, or at least the idea of it. But they took it too far. Being fat and depressed and drunk is one thing, being completely worthless is another.
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Post by James on May 5, 2019 0:36:26 GMT
I thought it was pretty hilarious what they did with his character. What else could they have done? Have him moping and doping? That would’ve been too lame and predictable. It's fine what they did, or at least the idea of it. But they took it too far. Being fat and depressed and drunk is one thing, being completely worthless is another. I had more of a problem that it payed homage to The Big Lebowski, yet most of the people watching may not get the reference. I know it’s a beloved movie, but it isn’t popular enough to give those that impression.
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Post by Skaathar on May 5, 2019 22:37:08 GMT
A lot of people are saying that it made sense that Thor acted that way because he was suffering from PTSD.
But the more I think about it the more I don't think you could call it PTSD. If he became depressed because he lost his father, lost his brother, lost his friends, was unable to defeat Hela, lost his eye, lost his home, got beat up and tortured by Thanos, lost majority of his people or even almost dying against a star... then yeah, that would be PTSD.
But that wasn't what caused his depression. He actually survived and fought through all of that. What caused his depression was his failure to kill Thanos. I don't believe that's PTSD but rather self-guilt and self-pity.
Still a valid reason for depression but not quite as violent as PTSD.
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Post by merh on May 5, 2019 22:50:33 GMT
A lot of people are saying that it made sense that Thor acted that way because he was suffering from PTSD. But the more I think about it the more I don't think you could call it PTSD. If he became depressed because he lost his father, lost his brother, lost his friends, was unable to defeat Hela, lost his eye, lost his home, got beat up and tortured by Thanos, lost majority of his people or even almost dying against a star... then yeah, that would be PTSD. But that wasn't what caused his depression. He actually survived and fought through all of that. What caused his depression was his failure to kill Thanos. I don't believe that's PTSD but rather self-guilt and self-pity. Still a valid reason for depression but not quite as violent as PTSD. It was the Russos had too many characters to deal with. The logical choice to use the glove would be the god so they needed Thor to not be eligible. They wanted Professor Hulk to do it & still have problems so it could fall to Tony at the end when he should have exploded like The Collector's assistant. Thor ends up with Lady Sif in mythology & in Marvel, at least for a time. Thor would have pulled out at the mention of Thanos. Sorry. Considering Volstagg downed 4 wild boar, 6 pheasants, a side of beef & 2 casks of ale in a morning, that pitiful amount of beer kegs representing a month's supply would not be enough to get & keep Thor fat. Tony would know it was way more than cheese wiz. When Thor saw his mother, he would have snapped out of any depression he migh have. In his own movie, he forgot the things his dad had taught him about humility to make a name for himself as King of Asgard, yet by the end of that one-what, 2-3 days-he remembered ON HIS OWN from what he experienced what it took to be a good king & a good man.
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Post by merh on May 5, 2019 22:51:17 GMT
It's fine what they did, or at least the idea of it. But they took it too far. Being fat and depressed and drunk is one thing, being completely worthless is another. I had more of a problem that it payed homage to The Big Lebowski, yet most of the people watching may not get the reference. I know it’s a beloved movie, but it isn’t popular enough to give those that impression. It is hugely popular here in the states
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Post by James on May 5, 2019 23:09:07 GMT
I had more of a problem that it payed homage to The Big Lebowski, yet most of the people watching may not get the reference. I know it’s a beloved movie, but it isn’t popular enough to give those that impression. It is hugely popular here in the states Even to the tweens and teens of the late 2010s?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 23:35:51 GMT
A lot of people are saying that it made sense that Thor acted that way because he was suffering from PTSD. But the more I think about it the more I don't think you could call it PTSD. If he became depressed because he lost his father, lost his brother, lost his friends, was unable to defeat Hela, lost his eye, lost his home, got beat up and tortured by Thanos, lost majority of his people or even almost dying against a star... then yeah, that would be PTSD. But that wasn't what caused his depression. He actually survived and fought through all of that. What caused his depression was his failure to kill Thanos. I don't believe that's PTSD but rather self-guilt and self-pity. Still a valid reason for depression but not quite as violent as PTSD. I agree. I think his biggest failure isn't that he stopped Thanos, but that he did and it was too late. Instead of defeating him in battle like he should have, the Avengers had the luxury of killing an unarmed Thanos in his home. In that brief moment, Thanos wasn't even the monster that Thor needed him to be. After that, Thor was without purpose. I think in that single moment, he realized avenging pales in comparison to having stopped Thanos in the first place. They won, but he has only the head of an unarmed, retired Thanos to show for it.
Even after everything up until meeting Thanos in Infinity War, his attitude was "he's never fought me twice". He built his identity around being his best self as king from leading on the battlefield. So he lost. He lost in the type of role he was better at, and couldn't even begin to understand how to do a better job from his self-admitted weaker talent: leading from a throne.
All he has to do is look around. Stones are gone, Thanos is dead, New Asgard seems reasonably self-sustaining on its own, so he pushes his luck sitting on the couch because he couldn't make a difference at his best and that's his real defeat.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 23:52:45 GMT
I dont agree with all these PC outraged articles about how fat shaming is wrong but this extract is spot on. His trauma and mental is taken as a joke. And that eat a salad is cringe as hell, wrecks the good moment they were having. I can guarantee that Hemsworth would have suggested that line. He needs to start taking some dramatic roles again because all these comedy characters hes been playing in Ghostbusters, Ragnarok, Men in black are damaging his credibility because hes not as funny as he thinks he is He did take Thanos's head. There are many different life forms in the galaxy so it's a bit difficult to know how to destroy every one. Taking Deadpool's head wouldnt work, would it? I still think Thanos was dicking with Thor. He had the time stone so rewinding his death would be nothing. And we saw him use the reality stone with the guardians. He was pretty invincible by that point. The only win would have been getting the glove off & Quill messed that up. I don't think Thanos was expecting to be impaled so hard with Stormbreaker, but Thor definitely had a minute where he could have taken the killshot but he stood around waiting for Thanos to fall over. He even shoved the axe further into his chest to further the 'fuck you' but Thanos got the final 'fuck you' after the snap.
Starlord...he messed up, but Thor squandered the last and best chance. If the Guardians, Iron Man and co got the Infinity Gauntlet off Thanos, they'd still have a perfectly healthy Thanos to fight.
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Post by merh on May 6, 2019 1:33:51 GMT
He did take Thanos's head. There are many different life forms in the galaxy so it's a bit difficult to know how to destroy every one. Taking Deadpool's head wouldnt work, would it? I still think Thanos was dicking with Thor. He had the time stone so rewinding his death would be nothing. And we saw him use the reality stone with the guardians. He was pretty invincible by that point. The only win would have been getting the glove off & Quill messed that up. I don't think Thanos was expecting to be impaled so hard with Stormbreaker, but Thor definitely had a minute where he could have taken the killshot but he stood around waiting for Thanos to fall over. He even shoved the axe further into his chest to further the 'fuck you' but Thanos got the final 'fuck you' after the snap.
Starlord...he messed up, but Thor squandered the last and best chance. If the Guardians, Iron Man and co got the Infinity Gauntlet off Thanos, they'd still have a perfectly healthy Thanos to fight. Like I've said, there are so many lifeforms in the universe... taking the head wouldnt work with Deadpool. Loki has apparently been beheaded in the comics as well. So short of knowing each race, it is difficult. In the comics he is a deviant, brother to Starfox So it's a bit strange to do Thanos before Eros. And would require knowing the proper method for killing a Deviant or an Eternal. One presumes it is the same method for killing other humanoid life. We should see in the Eternals movie unless they are changing the relationship. They would have to remove Titan from the Eternals
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Post by merh on May 7, 2019 1:36:04 GMT
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Post by Prime etc. on May 7, 2019 1:46:19 GMT
Lmao. They really had that line?
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Post by merh on May 7, 2019 2:06:24 GMT
Lmao. They really had that line?
Yep. Nebula never says anything I don't believe Cap or Widow do. But Rocket, Stark, & Rhodey do. Maybe Clint? I forget.
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Post by Skaathar on May 7, 2019 3:07:28 GMT
This article makes an interesting point: That Thor is a ridiculously complex character to write. Both Stark and Rogers are fairly straightforward in comparison. And minus the "screaming like a girl" part, I agree that Ragnarok found the best balance for Thor. I could have done with a few less jokes from him but I still think that movie gave us the most interesting Thor... as well as the most badass version. I personally think that was the most powerful Thor we've had on screen. Sure he didn't overcome an Infinity Gauntlet there but the way he was spamming lightning all over... we never saw that from him again. He was cloaked in lightning that was auto-attacking enemies all around him. He was fast enough to blast Hela's projectiles from the air. I wish that was the version of Thor we got in IW and Endgame. Give him Stormbreaker if you must but don't let him stop using his powers as openly as he did in Ragnarok.
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