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Post by sdrew13163 on May 8, 2019 0:20:01 GMT
It all depends on the movie itself. For instance, if Lethal Weapon didn't have its awful vintage 80s soundtrack it'd probably be a pretty good movie. When it comes to effects, though, I love old cheesy effects. I just watched The Dark Crystal for the first time and the opening and closing shots of that movie are so obviously miniatures, but they're beautiful and perfectly corny. Lethal Weapon is considered a good movie and a classic so I’m not sure what you mean I mean I consider it dated because of its soundtrack. |
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Post by janntosh on May 8, 2019 5:37:03 GMT
Lethal Weapon is considered a good movie and a classic so I’m not sure what you mean I mean I consider it dated because of its soundtrack. Pretty sad |
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Post by The Pumpkin King on May 8, 2019 6:28:10 GMT
On some movies, that term definetly applies. The 90s was when Hollywood really started ramping up CGI in their movies but the technology was still kind of new, and now a lot of them definetly look what we would call "dated" (The Phantom Menace comes to mind) Actually, "Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace" didn't look completely bad, in my eyes. I watched it in theaters so got the full experience. CGI advanced far further within five or so years of course. But if you compare the Darth Maul vs Qui-Gon Jinn light saber fight with the Ben Kenobi vs Darth Vader fight in "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope", they're almost night and day. Choreography came a long way between both of those movies. In fairness, the CGI was expected in 1999, and far, far impressive in 1977.
And I'm not bashing your statement, lowtacks86 sir. I completely agree with your statement about CGI coming into the '90s and movies looking "dated". I myself don't use that word, I just say the movie looks like it's from the '90s, '70s, '40s etc. My only point is that there's far more movies that look old, bad, CGI-wise from the '90s. For a few random examples: "The Lawnmower Man", "Death Becomes Her" and "Starship Troopers". Movies I still love for different reasons, but they certainly look more and more like their from the '90s as time goes by. Even scenes in favorite movies of mine like, "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" and "Independence Day" are looking '90s-ish. But I don't care how old or "dated" a movie looks, I'm going to like movies I like.
mikef6 I completely agree with. The day an "Avengers" movie is classified as "dated", that'll be a funny day ha. If anyone tells you a movie from the '30s, '40s, '50s and '60s is too old, shame on them. 
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Post by mslo79 on May 8, 2019 6:30:52 GMT
Based on what you defined as 'dated', I don't mind that. but... I tend to see the 'dated' term a bit differently as I don't mind if hair styles or technology etc is different from today as when I use the term dated I generally tend to refer to the overall style of the movie etc which I think plenty of movies pre-1960's tend to be what I would term 'dated' as they are just generally TOO different from more modern standards of movie making. I can't quite say exactly what it is but basically they seem to lack some sort of emotional response since a persons emotional response ultimately determines what movies stand out and what does not etc. they just tend to be generally forgettable/bland. NOTE: I am not saying that 1959 is crap and 1960 is amazing, but looking at things in terms of decades, I tend to see the 1960's as the early days of quality movies pretty much although it took a while after that before movies started to really hit their stride, like in terms of volume of quality movies produced etc. but as far as what I consider 'modern movies'... I don't have any exact cut off point, but I would say from roughly the 1980's on forward is what I consider modern movies. possibly back into the 60's and 70's on some level but I feel about the 1980's is when things started to be more thoroughly like more recent-ish times with movies. or possibly another way to potentially measure this stuff... when did blockbusters really become blockbusters? ; I would guesstimate as far back as the 1970's with Jaws (1975) but I feel by the 1980's things were more thoroughly locked in. hell, even after looking around online a little it seems I am pretty close... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbuster_(entertainment)#Blockbuster_erap.s. nearly all movies of any real worth for me (as in movies I score a 7 or higher) are from the 1960's or newer (i.e. 161 out of 162 movies). but with that said, 80.2% (i.e. 130/162) of my favorite movies are from the 1990's to date. the 2000's is my all around favorite decade of movies. |
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Post by Caesium137 on May 8, 2019 8:35:00 GMT
I watched Shane (1953) few days ago and didnt mind the dated aspect at all, infact I appreciated it. And this isnt just the camerawork or technology, its also social norms that were present back then which would be considered sexist now that could offend some sensitive people.
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 8, 2019 13:59:56 GMT
I mean I consider it dated because of its soundtrack. Pretty sad No I feel fine. |
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Post by janntosh on Aug 28, 2019 4:18:47 GMT
late reply but the fact is Lethal Weapon is already considered a good movie regardless of any soundtrack
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 28, 2019 4:35:45 GMT
I find the term to have a certain kind of arrogance to it, at least in the context it's mostly used to describe movies.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🎄😷🎄 on Aug 28, 2019 12:28:25 GMT
Lethal Weapon is considered a good movie and a classic so I’m not sure what you mean I mean I consider it dated because of its soundtrack. You don't have to love the music used in this movie, that's fine. But by this rationale, every single movie ever made is "dated" because they could only have used the music of that era or prior. That movie that came out last week? Dated! I'm currently in a marathon of a particular set of movies from the 50's and 60's and their "datedness" is what makes me enjoy them. The storytelling was more simple and maybe innocent. You feel a nostalgic-like feeling watching them, even though I wasn't born yet. I was alive when Lethal Weapon came out, and if I watched it now I know I'd notice how 1987 it seems, but that's not a bad thing...unless we're talking about all the mullets!
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Post by kingkoopa on Aug 28, 2019 13:14:57 GMT
I welcome it. Something as innocuous as a million cigarettes being smoked (looking at you "Alien") reminds me of the days when there were smoking sections in restaurants and one of my weekend chores was to clean out the ashtray in my dad's car. Not a smoker myself, but it reminds me of a certain time more than Sigourney's giant (very nice looking) hair.
I also like the mention of mullets. A good mullet always makes me laugh, but in a positive way. I am old enough to have had one (give me a break, I grew up playing hockey in the midwest USA), but never found a stylist who could give me a proper Mel Gibson.
And not to be crass, but the downstairs landscaping of times gone by was a bit different than today...and that's alright with me.
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Post by shannondegroot on Aug 28, 2019 19:35:46 GMT
I'm the only one.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 28, 2019 20:12:08 GMT
It all depends on the movie itself. For instance, if Lethal Weapon didn't have its awful vintage 80s soundtrack it'd probably be a pretty good movie.
When it comes to effects, though, I love old cheesy effects. I just watched The Dark Crystal for the first time and the opening and closing shots of that movie are so obviously miniatures, but they're beautiful and perfectly corny. What are you on about? The score and soundtrack for Lethal Weapon is part of why I love the movie.
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 28, 2019 20:23:35 GMT
It depends.
I would say some movies of the 1930s are less dated than some movies of the 70s or 80s because either there is very little in the story that depends on the era--or the dated movie tries too hard to be trendy. I.e. Dracula AD 72. The first half of the movie is so ridiculously hip that it dated overnight.
Especially that godawful musical number in the party scene.
Your average 1930s movie that focuses on the story is not going to be so dated because the clothing and furniture are secondary to the action and characters.
If your story just tries to have people and situations that are true to natural reality then it won't date.
Some movies though-especially sci-fi movies, might avoid being dated because they are sparse in their predictions of the future-like Planet of the Apes or ALIEN.
Somehow they don't seem dated in hairstyles and clothing.
Tip for filmmakers: if you want to do a sci-fi future story-go for a minimalist approach!
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 28, 2019 20:25:55 GMT
I don't even know what people mean when they refer to a movie as "dated" at this point.
It is a ridiculous criticism.
Is Blazing Saddles dated? Yes. I don't like the movie, but it being dated has nothing to do with it.
Part of why movies are fun and interesting is because they partly work as a time capsule.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 28, 2019 20:27:27 GMT
It all depends on the movie itself. For instance, if Lethal Weapon didn't have its awful vintage 80s soundtrack it'd probably be a pretty good movie.
When it comes to effects, though, I love old cheesy effects. I just watched The Dark Crystal for the first time and the opening and closing shots of that movie are so obviously miniatures, but they're beautiful and perfectly corny. What are you on about? The score and soundtrack for Lethal Weapon is part of why I love the movie. No it’s literally horrible. It’d be a good movie if not for the soundtrack. |
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Post by sweetpea on Aug 28, 2019 20:32:05 GMT
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 28, 2019 20:34:43 GMT
What are you on about? The score and soundtrack for Lethal Weapon is part of why I love the movie. No it’s literally horrible. It’d be a good movie if not for the soundtrack. So you are seriously trying to tell me what I think? I don't even know what stuff you are talking about being dated. The score or the songs? Both are great imo. Do you mean the jazz theme? That isn't even dated.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 28, 2019 20:55:48 GMT
No it’s literally horrible. It’d be a good movie if not for the soundtrack. So you are seriously trying to tell me what I think? I don't even know what stuff you are talking about being dated. The score or the songs? Both are great imo. Do you mean the jazz theme? That isn't even dated. I’m not telling you how to think. I think it’s hilarious that I say the soundtrack is dated and caused me to hate the movie and multiple people take it as a personal attack. Think what you want. I think it sucks. |
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Post by MCDemuth on Aug 29, 2019 3:08:00 GMT
So you are seriously trying to tell me what I think? I don't even know what stuff you are talking about being dated. The score or the songs? Both are great imo. Do you mean the jazz theme? That isn't even dated. I’m not telling you how to think. I think it’s hilarious that I say the soundtrack is dated and caused me to hate the movie and multiple people take it as a personal attack. Think what you want. I think it sucks.I respect your opinion in that you think the music sucks... There is all kind of music out there. Most people won't like everything... But, calling the music from 40 (or so) years ago "dated" is just an absolute BS comment... Because NO MOVIE can ever be made FUTURE PROOF! It was IMPOSSIBLE for "Lethal Weapon" to have music from TODAY, because it wasn't even created yet!... It's always going to be an absolute fact, that if you watch a "40" year old movie, that you are always going to hear music from at least 40 Year ago! SO... older movies can NOT be "dated" for having music that was only available, at the time the movie was made!... If you believe other wise, then every movie ever made, or will ever be made, will always be 'Dated" and therefor, the term has no meaning! So stop using it!
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 29, 2019 3:38:32 GMT
I’m not telling you how to think. I think it’s hilarious that I say the soundtrack is dated and caused me to hate the movie and multiple people take it as a personal attack. Think what you want. I think it sucks.I respect your opinion in that you think the music sucks... There is all kind of music out there. Most people won't like everything... But, calling the music from 40 (or so) years ago "dated" is just an absolute BS comment... Because NO MOVIE can ever be made FUTURE PROOF! It was IMPOSSIBLE for "Lethal Weapon" to have music from TODAY, because it wasn't even created yet!... It's always going to be an absolute fact, that if you watch a "40" year old movie, that you are always going to hear music from at least 40 Year ago! SO... older movies can NOT be "dated" for having music that was only available, at the time the movie was made!... If you believe other wise, then every movie ever made, or will ever be made, will always be 'Dated" and therefor, the term has no meaning! So stop using it! Oh my lord ok, here’s my full explanation: I dislike the music in the movie. All of it. I hate it. I also am of the mindset that if this came out in any other decade besides the 80s, it’d have a different musical score/soundtrack. It’s distinctly 80s and if it wasn’t then IN MY OPINION, both the soundtrack and the movie would be better. So “dated” felt like the best word for it. Since that clearly is not allowed, I’ll just say it’s terrible IN MY OPINION. Literally no one has to agree with me. Based on the replies I’d say no one does agree with me, too. So be it, I don’t care. |
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