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Post by lowtacks86 on May 12, 2019 3:01:16 GMT
I would argue generally yes. By "bad" let's just say ineptly made, leaves a really bad taste in your mouth, but at least still leaves some sort of impression on you. I've often made the argument that as bad as "Batman and Robin" is, it's still more bearable than "Batman Forever" which I just found unremarkably dull. I would much rather have a film make me think "OMG this is so stupid!" rather than "OMG this is so boring!"
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Post by nostromo87 on May 12, 2019 3:15:12 GMT
I see what you're saying and I'd agree to a point.
But I can't completely agree because although I find some Sergio Leone and Bertolucci movies boring, I still think theyre vastly better than a movie I'd consider bad.
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Post by ck100 on May 12, 2019 3:16:54 GMT
At least you can get enjoyment from insulting and making fun of a bad film.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 12, 2019 3:23:08 GMT
At least you can get enjoyment from insulting and making fun of a bad film. That's kinda where I'm going with this. Something like "Plan 9 from Outer Space" as poorly made as it is, still has quite a bit of cultural relevance because of how laughably bad it is. Contrast that with "The Soloist". Remember that one? No one does, it was a forgettable Robert Downey Jr Oscar bait film that pretty much has disappeared from the public consciousness. Perhaps it was more "professional" than Plan 9, but no where near the same cultural relevance.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 3:39:37 GMT
I would argue generally yes. By "bad" let's just say ineptly made, leaves a really bad taste in your mouth, but at least still leaves some sort of impression on you. I've often made the argument that as bad as "Batman and Robin" is, it's still more bearable than "Batman Forever" which I just found unremarkably dull. I would much rather have a film make me think "OMG this is so stupid!" rather than "OMG this is so boring!" I think a bad film can be more entertaining.
I disagree with you about Batman Forever, which is one of my favorite Batman films. Admittedly, part of that is nostalgia, which is hard to filter out.
I do enjoy Batman and Robin more than I used to, but for all the wrong reasons. I don't necessarily enjoy a Batman film for being so bad it becomes good.
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Post by mslo79 on May 12, 2019 3:46:54 GMT
Here is my Thumbs Down section of my rating scale... 5 = Average (Thumbs Down) (while ultimately a negative score, they typically don't waste my time) 4 = Below Average. (these are mostly dull, but not a total loss) 3 = Failure. (I generally finished watching these but they are just bad) 2 = Boring. (I could not finish watching due to boredom and boring is pretty much the worst crime a movie can commit) 1 = Greatly Dislike. (very little I have seen is THIS bad) so to answer your question... Yes, (truly) 'boring' is worse than 'bad' as, like mentioned above, boring is basically the worst crime a movie can commit in general even though I do have something lower but those movies are difficult to find, thankfully. but I think some people might casually use the word 'boring' and don't fully mean it. like if they go into a movie expecting it to be at least fairly good and it ends up being average or a little lower, they might call it 'boring' but to me the truly boring movies are so dull, you can't finish them as it's like watching paint dry. but I do give movies a reasonable time frame to stay watchable as say I start watching a movie, if it's boring, ill usually give it about 40 minutes or so (30min+ minimum with rare exceptions being less time) to be some level of watchable, otherwise ill turned it off and it gets my usual 2/10 score. also, ill say this... there is about 158 movies out of the 2,250+ total movies i have seen that I could not finish watching due to boredom, which is like 7% of everything I have seen which comes out to about a average of 1 movie out of every 14 movies I see over the long run I could not finish watching due to boredom. so while it happens for me, it's not a common thing, but not that rare either. movies I gave a 1/10 on the other hand are far more rare for me as that's pretty much only four movies out of everything I have seen (although technically, out of the four movies I have given a 1/10, I have only seen two and a tiny amount of one of them, but I have no problem giving them the 1/10 rating to sum it up as I know ill greatly dislike em given who's in it and the kind of movie it is etc). nostromo87I would disagree here as movies that are truly boring, are worse than 'bad' movies because truly boring ones will likely be movies many people can't finish watching (because, obviously, they are truly boring) where as bad movies I can finish. that's pretty much how I determine my 2/10 vs 3/10 scores. but I don't often stumble into bad movies though as usually if a movie falls below a 4/10 it tends to hit 2/10 status as 3/10 is sort of a odd-ball score for me as it's something I score movies less than just about everything else besides 1/10's (and 9/10's and 10/10's)... 4/10 = 199 movies 3/10 = 37 movies 2/10 = 158 movies 1/10 = 4 movies p.s. my 5/10's are currently 1,392 movies. but in all honestly, had I seen a fair amount of those 5/10's today instead of years ago, I think there is a good chance a fair amount of those would be a 4/10 (possibly a bit lower). but obviously, I am not going to waste my time re-watching crap movies. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 7:45:37 GMT
Batman Forever is so misunderstood.
That being said...
A bad, bad film is worse than a boring film. However, a good bad film is better than a boring film.
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Post by moviemouth on May 12, 2019 7:54:11 GMT
Generally, no
In many cases awful films are very boring, but not all boring films are awful.
Movies that are entertainly bad really aren't that easy to come by imo.
The type of boring films you are referring to will often have aspects I appreciate such as cinematography and performances etc.
There is nothing to appreciate about a truly awful film.
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Post by nostromo87 on May 12, 2019 8:15:27 GMT
Batman Forever is so misunderstood. That being said... A bad, bad film is worse than a boring film. However, a good bad film is better than a boring film. Here's how you have to look at it: A bad bad film is bad; a good bad film is also bad but can be good bad too. A bad good film can be good but a bad good film can also be bad.
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Post by moviemouth on May 12, 2019 8:18:23 GMT
Batman Forever is so misunderstood. That being said... A bad, bad film is worse than a boring film. However, a good bad film is better than a boring film. Here's how you have to look at it: A bad bad film is bad; a good bad film is also bad but can be good bad too. A bad good film can be good but a bad good film can also be bad. There is no such thing imo.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 12, 2019 8:22:26 GMT
I would argue generally yes. By "bad" let's just say ineptly made, leaves a really bad taste in your mouth, but at least still leaves some sort of impression on you. I've often made the argument that as bad as "Batman and Robin" is, it's still more bearable than "Batman Forever" which I just found unremarkably dull. I would much rather have a film make me think "OMG this is so stupid!" rather than "OMG this is so boring!" This is an EXCELLENT question! And, YES! Absolutely a boring movie is worse than a bad movie! I would rather watch the terrible, but fascinating and moderately entertaining "Glen or Glenda" any time over boring old "Schindler's List". Bad movies generally have personality to them (sometimes a LOT of personality! lol) Boring movies are often, not always, the result of being overly studied and composed. However, "Manos: Hands of Fate" manages to be a HORRIBLE movie as well as an extremely boring movie. At something like 70 minutes, it seems longer than SL! Really, it is I think the worst movie I have ever seen!
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Post by dirtypillows on May 12, 2019 8:23:29 GMT
At least you can get enjoyment from insulting and making fun of a bad film. Exactly!
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Post by dirtypillows on May 12, 2019 8:25:10 GMT
Generally, no In many cases awful films are very boring, but not all boring films are awful.Movies that are entertainly bad really aren't that easy to come by imo. The type of boring films you are referring to will often have aspects I appreciate such as cinematography and performances etc. There is nothing to appreciate about a truly awful film. Except that boring is more deadly to a film than bad.
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Post by nostromo87 on May 12, 2019 8:31:13 GMT
I would argue generally yes. By "bad" let's just say ineptly made, leaves a really bad taste in your mouth, but at least still leaves some sort of impression on you. I've often made the argument that as bad as "Batman and Robin" is, it's still more bearable than "Batman Forever" which I just found unremarkably dull. I would much rather have a film make me think "OMG this is so stupid!" rather than "OMG this is so boring!" This is an EXCELLENT question! And, YES! Absolutely a boring movie is worse than a bad movie! I would rather watch the terrible, but fascinating and moderately entertaining "Glen or Glenda" any time over boring old "Schindler's List". Bad movies generally have personality to them (sometimes a LOT of personality! lol) Boring movies are often, not always, the result of being overly studied and composed. However, "Manos: Hands of Fate" manages to be a HORRIBLE movie as well as an extremely boring movie. At something like 70 minutes, it seems longer than SL! Really, it is I think the worst movie I have ever seen! Just had to pick on Schindler, didntcha?
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Post by moviemouth on May 12, 2019 8:31:29 GMT
Generally, no In many cases awful films are very boring, but not all boring films are awful.Movies that are entertainly bad really aren't that easy to come by imo. The type of boring films you are referring to will often have aspects I appreciate such as cinematography and performances etc. There is nothing to appreciate about a truly awful film. Except that boring is more deadly to a film than bad. In some cases, except the bad films that are also extremely boring, which is 90% of them for me. I mean it is hard to discuss this with someone who thinks Schindler's List is boring. Schindler's List isn't boring in the slightest.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 12, 2019 8:34:38 GMT
This is an EXCELLENT question! And, YES! Absolutely a boring movie is worse than a bad movie! I would rather watch the terrible, but fascinating and moderately entertaining "Glen or Glenda" any time over boring old "Schindler's List". Bad movies generally have personality to them (sometimes a LOT of personality! lol) Boring movies are often, not always, the result of being overly studied and composed. However, "Manos: Hands of Fate" manages to be a HORRIBLE movie as well as an extremely boring movie. At something like 70 minutes, it seems longer than SL! Really, it is I think the worst movie I have ever seen! Just had to pick on Schindler, didntcha? Yes, I couldn't help myself. It was just too obvious. Are you a fan?
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Post by moviemouth on May 12, 2019 8:38:32 GMT
Just had to pick on Schindler, didntcha? Yes, I couldn't help myself. It was just too obvious. Are you a fan? I don't even think the 5 hour Heaven's Gate is boring.
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Post by nostromo87 on May 12, 2019 8:57:40 GMT
Just had to pick on Schindler, didntcha? Yes, I couldn't help myself. It was just too obvious. Are you a fan? Well yeah. I can't exactly ignore the skillful craft that went into it. It also has Ralph Fiennes and Liam Neeson at their best. So what im saying is there are far more boring movies than Schindler's List that you could have lead as an example. But nooo. It had to be Schindler's List. But I am glad you didnt say 2001: a Space Odyssey. Cause then we'd really have a problem.
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Post by Vits on May 12, 2019 10:04:54 GMT
I agree, although I don't think boredom is the main factor. As others have already said here, a terrible production can also be boring. I think the main factor is how memorable the movie is. A lot of competent productions are ultimately forgettable, while questionable technical/narrative/acting decisions can make a movie memorable.
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Post by James on May 12, 2019 10:36:05 GMT
To me, it all depends on the movie’s flaws that add up to how bad it is as a whole. There are boring films that are actually good also. But like others have said, at least bad films are more memorable and amusing to talk about, and I don’t like it when a movie gets too boring to a certain point.
Overall, I’d have to say the reverse. I usually give movies that I found boring another chance.
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