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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 20, 2019 11:15:10 GMT
At no point was I even invested in any of the dialogue, and the dialogue is my favorite part of the show. Those critical of the quality of the dialogue itself have a point.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 20, 2019 11:22:29 GMT
yes jonsa happens please yes Thank God we’ll be done with your sick fantasy. Its only the beginning last i heard the lord commander was missing from his post heading north with the freefolk
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 20, 2019 11:24:17 GMT
At least the dog's happy
only time i saw some joy on jons face , and now i know why kit harrington was crying , was an awful ending to him again excuse my language so early in the morning , jon got F-up by tyrion once again and bran makes you appreciate jamie pushing him out the window.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 20, 2019 11:28:19 GMT
It was OK but disappointing based on the story choices made this year. Dany's death was after being Hitler for one episode had no impact. Jon's no brainer decision to kill her was not impactful either. Bran being king had no weight to it because he acted like a weird goober since he became the 3 Eyed Raven.
It provided closure for season 8 but nothing much bigger than that and thus had no resonance.
I loved the throne melt though.
The closing Small Council meeting was cringeworthy and while Jon should have died I was OK with his and Sansa's ending.
One thing that bugs me is why Grey Worm wouldn't have known NW didn't exist anymore.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 20, 2019 11:40:33 GMT
I’m actually glad the show is over. I feel like I’ve been put out of my misery. Probably the most boring episode of the show to date, which is unacceptable in a finale. And no I don’t mean action and battles. At no point was I even invested in any of the dialogue, and the dialogue is my favorite part of the show. The dragon pit scene was a good example of something that should be interesting but fell completely flat. Lots of holes in motivations and plot imo. Also for the red keep being destroyed there’s a convenient amount of important stuff that is completely untouched. If Cersei and Jamie stayed in the tower of the hand they’d have been fine. Im glad show is over too , it left too many un-answered questions and i hate that i expected better felt the episode was somber grim some things were said not appropriate in the face of so much death some moments that stood out for me tyrion finding and crying out over his siblings sansa becoming queen jon killing dany finally and it happened just like her dream touching the iron throne never sitting on it even her dragon had enough and took it out on the throne instead of jon liked brienne wrote more to jamies story and love how she ended it with he dies protecting his queen , despite her loving jamie too . Jon seeing ghost again poor thing bran is the wheel dany wanted to break , they did laugh at the idea of democracy didnt they?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 20, 2019 12:37:17 GMT
bran is the wheel dany wanted to break , they did laugh at the idea of democracy didnt they? The wheel had nothing to do with democracy or absence thereof. It was first brought up as the image of powerful families crushing the land through their power struggles and factually replaced by an elective system which did prove to work to some extent where it was put in place. An elective system remains a wheel, mind you, but a faster, lighter one that no longer crushes as hard since the stakes are different. Modern democracies are fast, constantly spinning wheels. What they really do is keep people busy making speeches, big meetings and throwing money around. Then they get the guy with the "better" story chosen every four to five years. Tyrion spoke of "stopping the wheel" in S5E08, to which Daenerys immediately replied she would break it. Dumb little fools didn't understand she meant to simply eliminate all possible resistance or opposition.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 20, 2019 12:42:52 GMT
It was OK but disappointing based on the story choices made this year. Dany's death was after being Hitler for one episode had no impact. Jon's no brainer decision to kill her was not impactful either. Bran being king had no weight to it because he acted like a weird goober since he became the 3 Eyed Raven. It provided closure for season 8 but nothing much bigger than that and thus had no resonance. I loved the throne melt though. The closing Small Council meeting was cringeworthy and while Jon should have died I was OK with his and Sansa's ending. One thing that bugs me is why Grey Worm wouldn't have known NW didn't exist anymore. It was the same heap of nonsense as ever. No one saw Daenerys die, no one even saw her dead but Jon. How was he accused of anything? Did Grey Worm think he ate her as desert after he had Drogon as main course? Stupid. Anyway, I'm happy Cersei remained the last true queen of the Seven Kingdoms and the last to sit the ugly thing.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 20, 2019 13:01:43 GMT
bran is the wheel dany wanted to break , they did laugh at the idea of democracy didnt they? The wheel had nothing to do with democracy or absence thereof. It was first brought up as the image of powerful families crushing the land through their power struggles and factually replaced by an elective system which did prove to work to some extent where it was put in place. An elective system remains a wheel, mind you, but a faster, lighter one that no longer crushes as hard since the stakes are different. Modern democracies are fast, constantly spinning wheels. What they really do is keep people busy making speeches, big meetings and throwing money around. Then they get the guy with the "better" story chosen every four to five years. Tyrion spoke of "stopping the wheel" in S5E08, to which Daenerys immediately replied she would break it. Dumb little fools didn't understand she meant to simply eliminate all possible resistance or opposition. yep just before jon stabbed her he asked her what about other good people who have different opinions? she pretty much said they would have no choice , she was the worst her speech was one of a tyrant and shes a liar too, after the WW fight she said battle for KL would be the last battle in her speech she said she would "free" people from winterfell to dorne etc... i think it was that moment jon decided she needs to go .
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 20, 2019 14:54:03 GMT
yep just before jon stabbed her he asked her what about other good people who have different opinions? she pretty much said they would have no choice , she was the worst her speech was one of a tyrant and shes a liar too, after the WW fight she said battle for KL would be the last battle in her speech she said she would "free" people from winterfell to dorne etc... i think it was that moment jon decided she needs to go . Jon does not understand the languages she was speaking to the Dothraki and Unsullied, so it cannot have made much impact. They did drive the point hard with her, made it as plain as possible, which is just another confirmation that they are consciously writing for the dumbest layers of the audience. And look at this one. He's a decent guy, he saw what happened and immediately said she had to go last episode, right after she ignored the bell, but while we here discuss real historical parallels of the 20th century or actual feudal structures of the middle ages, what he comes up with is "Anakin Skywalker". That's the level of this audience. They don't know shit beyond Star Wars or whatever simplistic junk they grew up with. So that's why it hadt o be so coarse. Ignorant fools had to root for the monster fully and be bashed in the head hard. Maybe that's how they'll learn something.
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 20, 2019 14:55:02 GMT
I rate it a 1.
Im sorry.....Bran king is stupid, Sansa is worthless. The two most worthless Starks......
Ruined this good show for me....wow...
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Post by shinnickneth on May 20, 2019 15:02:52 GMT
It was OK but disappointing based on the story choices made this year. Dany's death was after being Hitler for one episode had no impact. Jon's no brainer decision to kill her was not impactful either. Bran being king had no weight to it because he acted like a weird goober since he became the 3 Eyed Raven. It provided closure for season 8 but nothing much bigger than that and thus had no resonance. I loved the throne melt though. The closing Small Council meeting was cringeworthy and while Jon should have died I was OK with his and Sansa's ending. One thing that bugs me is why Grey Worm wouldn't have known NW didn't exist anymore. It doesn't? I thought Jon was being escorted out of King's Landing by two brothers of the Night's Watch.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 20, 2019 15:05:51 GMT
Another dumb shit who doesn't know how to use a scale.
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 20, 2019 15:11:58 GMT
Another dumb shit who doesn't know how to use a scale. I see youre a fanboy. Too many unanswered questions. Jon was Aegon...what did it lead too? Prince that was promised, prince of what? What was the point of Jaimes story arc? Theons? Yes they died earlier, but it all lead to this. Danny came this far...to be shanked in the middle!? Died like that? Bran is king, the guy who claimed he couldnt be lord of anything can be king? The guy who just sat there and didnt do jack $hit? If you enjoyed it great, I thought it was a bad finale. Watch the actors reactions, they werent too happy either... I know how to use a scale, this episode sucked bro. Im sorry fanboy, deal with others opinions...
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 20, 2019 15:17:01 GMT
It was OK but disappointing based on the story choices made this year. Dany's death was after being Hitler for one episode had no impact. Jon's no brainer decision to kill her was not impactful either. Bran being king had no weight to it because he acted like a weird goober since he became the 3 Eyed Raven. It provided closure for season 8 but nothing much bigger than that and thus had no resonance. I loved the throne melt though. The closing Small Council meeting was cringeworthy and while Jon should have died I was OK with his and Sansa's ending. One thing that bugs me is why Grey Worm wouldn't have known NW didn't exist anymore. It doesn't? I thought Jon was being escorted out of King's Landing by two brothers of the Night's Watch. They were two Northmen perhaps masquerading as NW. The NW was absorbed into Winterfell in the first episode since there was nothing to guard. I guess a small remnant could voluntarily stay. It didn’t make sense anyway since the North wasn’t a part of the seven kingdoms anyway and they were steward of the Wall. Were the remaining six kingdoms supposed to go through the North to take care of it? I get that Grey Worm wouldn’t get that nuance but the notion of Jon living by himself at Castle Black should’ve have popped up something in his mind
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 20, 2019 15:34:16 GMT
Horrible.
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Post by northernlad on May 20, 2019 15:35:09 GMT
Jon should just never have told anyone his real name. Because in the end, it mattered not one whit. Then maybe him and Dany could have rule properly. Anyway, big disappointment as a finale. The entire episode felt slooow. Agreed. There was never any need to make a big deal out of Jon's heritage and then have it fizzle into nothingness, which is exactly what happened. It never mattered who he was in the end.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 20, 2019 15:41:11 GMT
They were two Northmen perhaps masquerading as NW.
The NW was absorbed into Winterfell in the first episode since there was nothing to guard. I guess a small remnant could voluntarily stay. It didn’t make sense anyway since the North wasn’t a part of the seven kingdoms anyway and they were steward of the Wall. Were the remaining six kingdoms supposed to go through the North to take care of it? I get that Grey Worm wouldn’t get that nuance but the notion of Jon living by himself at Castle Black should’ve have popped up something in his mind Hmmm that seems like a bit of a leap to make. I can't say with any certainty that it's wrong though... Damn D&D for making an "Inside the Episode" for every episode in the series but the series finale! Seems like a bad joke not to give us any insight into why they chose to write certain things the way they did. That they know of. Remember that they thought they killed the White Walkers off the first time around. Somewhere beyond the Wall, there's still possibly White Walker babies (Craster's sons) sleeping in the ice.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 20, 2019 15:50:21 GMT
They were two Northmen perhaps masquerading as NW.
The NW was absorbed into Winterfell in the first episode since there was nothing to guard. I guess a small remnant could voluntarily stay. It didn’t make sense anyway since the North wasn’t a part of the seven kingdoms anyway and they were steward of the Wall. Were the remaining six kingdoms supposed to go through the North to take care of it? I get that Grey Worm wouldn’t get that nuance but the notion of Jon living by himself at Castle Black should’ve have popped up something in his mind Hmmm that seems like a bit of a leap to make. I can't say with any certainty that it's wrong though... Damn D&D for making an "Inside the Episode" for every episode in the series but the series finale! Seems like a bad joke not to give us any insight into why they chose to write certain things the way they did. That they know of. Remember that they thought they killed the White Walkers off the first time around. Somewhere beyond the Wall, there's still possibly White Walker babies (Craster's sons) sleeping in the ice. thay wasn’t a leap. The Lord Commander of NW literally said it. The NW were at Winterfell and the LC died there. Again it’s entirely possible some who survived went back but it couldn’t be in the same capacity just based on some logical assumptions.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 20, 2019 15:51:54 GMT
Agreed. There was never any need to make a big deal out of Jon's heritage and then have it fizzle into nothingness, which is exactly what happened. It never mattered who he was in the end. For whatever reason, the dragons seemed to be able to recognize the Targaryen in Jon. Drogon wouldn't have let anyone else into the throne room, which meant Jon was the only one who could get close enough to end Dany.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 20, 2019 15:55:51 GMT
Again it’s entirely possible some who survived went back but it couldn’t be in the same capacity just based on some logical assumptions. Even if none survived, Westeros can still fill the Night's Watch with new men.
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