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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 20, 2019 18:50:58 GMT
Good Things: Sansa is Queen Drogon is alive Ghost is alive and the blonde bimbo is food for the worms. PS: Save for the Reach, every House has stayed in Power; biggest loser: The Iron Bank. Silver: House Tyrell Bronze: House Mormonth(sp?) The Reach is the region and it’s still one of the six kingdoms. House Tarley apparently oversees it rather than Highgarden. The Iron Bank will always get paid. When Westeros needs money they will just tack the debt to it.
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Post by pk9 on May 20, 2019 18:54:55 GMT
Even if none survived, Westeros can still fill the Night's Watch with new men. The real question here is the purpose of the Night's Watch. It no longer seemed to have any. I've got a different question: Jon was sent to the NW to appease the Unsullied... who immediately set sail to get as far away from Westeros as possible. So what's to keep Bran from pardoning Jon after? I really doubt Grey Worm is interested in getting weekly updates about the politics of a foreign land that has nothing for him. Even if he found out a couple years later, what would he do about it? He's not gonna start a war with a united Westeros.
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Post by movieliker on May 20, 2019 19:35:21 GMT
The real question here is the purpose of the Night's Watch. It no longer seemed to have any. I've got a different question: Jon was sent to the NW to appease the Unsullied... who immediately set sail to get as far away from Westeros as possible. So what's to keep Bran from pardoning Jon after? I really doubt Grey Worm is interested in getting weekly updates about the politics of a foreign land that has nothing for him. Even if he found out a couple years later, what would he do about it? He's not gonna start a war with a united Westeros. I agree. The writing on this show stunk.
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Post by bluerisk on May 20, 2019 19:40:52 GMT
Good Things: Sansa is Queen Drogon is alive Ghost is alive and the blonde bimbo is food for the worms. PS: Save for the Reach, every House has stayed in Power; biggest loser: The Iron Bank. Silver: House Tyrell Bronze: House Mormonth(sp?) The Reach is the region and it’s still one of the six kingdoms. House Tarley apparently oversees it rather than Highgarden. The Iron Bank will always get paid. When Westeros needs money they will just tack the debt to it. Watch the council scene again in which Tyrion is among other - calling Bronn paramount Lord of the Reach: 3:06 Why should Westeros pay Stannis' or Cercei's debt.
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Post by bluerisk on May 20, 2019 19:45:49 GMT
I've got a different question: Jon was sent to the NW to appease the Unsullied... who immediately set sail to get as far away from Westeros as possible. So what's to keep Bran from pardoning Jon after? I really doubt Grey Worm is interested in getting weekly updates about the politics of a foreign land that has nothing for him. Even if he found out a couple years later, what would he do about it? He's not gonna start a war with a united Westeros. I agree. The writing on this show stunk. That this news arrives them sooner or later and they return for an invasion?! But maybe he could after some years. I can't imagine how the Unsullied should go on that long...I guess they will have a hard time to recruit, and they have no actual purpose. I guess it should be implied that he belongs to the North, the real North beyond the Wall, to find a new Ygritte, and a new life. Let's be honest: this dimwit is unfit to rule...up there he can at least cause only the least possible damage. But maybe he even manages it to create a new Knight's King or worse...
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 20, 2019 19:48:17 GMT
The Reach is the region and it’s still one of the six kingdoms. House Tarley apparently oversees it rather than Highgarden. The Iron Bank will always get paid. When Westeros needs money they will just tack the debt to it. Watch the council scene again in which Tyrion is among other - calling Bronn paramount Lord of the Reach: 3:06 Why should Westeros pay Stannis' or Cercei's debt. Cool about Bronn although it still means the Reach is one of the six kingdoms. As an aside that Small Council scene was horrible. The Iron Bank lent money to representatives of the kingdom. Technically they may never be repaid but they aren’t going to forget a debt either. If KL needs money there is no logical reason for the Iron Bank to write off the previous debt. They don’t even do that on our planet.
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Post by deviates on May 20, 2019 19:52:09 GMT
Characters with more screen time this season, better character development and a more interesting choice as the new King:
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 20, 2019 19:54:38 GMT
The real question here is the purpose of the Night's Watch. It no longer seemed to have any. I've got a different question: Jon was sent to the NW to appease the Unsullied... who immediately set sail to get as far away from Westeros as possible. So what's to keep Bran from pardoning Jon after? I really doubt Grey Worm is interested in getting weekly updates about the politics of a foreign land that has nothing for him. Even if he found out a couple years later, what would he do about it? He's not gonna start a war with a united Westeros. i didn’t think the king could pardon a NW person. However I don’t know why Grey Worm didn’t realize no one was handling the NW in any significant way since he was just at Winterfell and NW was there too. The Lord Commander was killed. Also who takes care of the Wall now? Do the six kingdoms travel through the North to take prisoners there and operate it? Why would the North agree to it?
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Post by movieliker on May 20, 2019 19:56:00 GMT
I agree. The writing on this show stunk. That this news arrives them sooner or later and they return for an invasion?! But maybe he could after some years. I can't imagine how the Unsullied should go on that long...I guess they will have a hard time to recruit, and they have no actual purpose. I guess it should be implied that he belongs to the North, the real North beyond the Wall, to find a new Ygritte, and a new life. Let's be honest: this dimwit is unfit to rule...up there he can at least cause only the least possible damage. But maybe he even manages it to create a new Knight's King or worse... I agree with everything you said. Quite possibly Bran figured this was a way to appease Greyworm (man, that's a real macho name huh?) and the unsullied. And give Jon freedom. You're correct. Sending Jon up north does nothing. Jon should be happy. But like you said, he's probably too stupid to realize his good fortune. It could have and should have been a lot worse. Unlike many on these boards, I am not a Dany hater. And not just because she is beautiful.
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Post by kevin on May 20, 2019 20:07:53 GMT
Considering the set-up from the last few episodes it was a fine ending. However, there was definitely potential for so much more, not just this episode but the last 2 seasons. I still really enjoyed season 7, but I think both season 7 & 8 would have worked a lot better had they been 10 episodes each. I also think the best episodes of season 7 & 8 in terms of writing were the ones written by the established writers from seasons 1 - 4. While I think I still enjoyed season 8 as a whole, the main problems are that it's rushed and the honest fact that the writing just isn't what it used to be. D&D have written some fantastic episodes in the past when they already passed the books (f.e. The Winds of Winter), but I think these last 2 seasons became too much for them. I don't want to assume something since I don't know them, but it feels like they lost some of their inspiration or passion this final season. On the one hand that also kinda makes sense. They've been working on this for almost a decade now and they had to finish a story with tens of plotlines, more than 20 years of build-up if you include the books, pressure from millions of fans around the world and one that even its creator George R.R. Martin couldn't finish yet, in the span of 2 years. It's just really unfortunate that the books weren't finished by the time we reached seasons 6 - 8. But in the end I think I can live with this ending. It's not as amazing as I had hoped beforehand, but it's also far from as bad as some parts of the internet make it out to be. I'll probably rewatch GoT a lot of times in the future and it'll remain one of my favorite shows of all-time.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 21:28:29 GMT
I agree. The writing on this show stunk. That this news arrives them sooner or later and they return for an invasion?! But maybe he could after some years. I can't imagine how the Unsullied should go on that long...I guess they will have a hard time to recruit, and they have no actual purpose. I guess it should be implied that he belongs to the North, the real North beyond the Wall, to find a new Ygritte, and a new life. Let's be honest: this dimwit is unfit to rule...up there he can at least cause only the least possible damage. But maybe he even manages it to create a new Knight's King or worse... In the book, John was very intelligent, and was building green houses to help the watch feed itself through the long Winter.
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Post by movieliker on May 20, 2019 21:33:34 GMT
That this news arrives them sooner or later and they return for an invasion?! But maybe he could after some years. I can't imagine how the Unsullied should go on that long...I guess they will have a hard time to recruit, and they have no actual purpose. I guess it should be implied that he belongs to the North, the real North beyond the Wall, to find a new Ygritte, and a new life. Let's be honest: this dimwit is unfit to rule...up there he can at least cause only the least possible damage. But maybe he even manages it to create a new Knight's King or worse... In the book, John was very intelligent, and was building green houses to help the watch feed itself through the long Winter. Well, they certainly changed that in the TV show.
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Post by petrolino on May 20, 2019 22:34:16 GMT
A turgid affair. Stodgy soap opera. The dragon should have torched the lot of them.
“I wish people who have trouble communicating would just shut up.”
- Tom Lehrer
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 21, 2019 0:33:24 GMT
That this news arrives them sooner or later and they return for an invasion?! But maybe he could after some years. I can't imagine how the Unsullied should go on that long...I guess they will have a hard time to recruit, and they have no actual purpose. I guess it should be implied that he belongs to the North, the real North beyond the Wall, to find a new Ygritte, and a new life. Let's be honest: this dimwit is unfit to rule...up there he can at least cause only the least possible damage. But maybe he even manages it to create a new Knight's King or worse... In the book, John was very intelligent, and was building green houses to help the watch feed itself through the long Winter. Well, he also borrowed a buttload of money from the Iron Bank that he doesn't know how he's going to pay back.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 21, 2019 2:19:35 GMT
In the book, John was very intelligent, and was building green houses to help the watch feed itself through the long Winter. Well, he also borrowed a buttload of money from the Iron Bank that he doesn't know how he's going to pay back. He took all the treasures from the Wildlings
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 21, 2019 5:20:47 GMT
The real question here is the purpose of the Night's Watch. It no longer seemed to have any. I've got a different question: Jon was sent to the NW to appease the Unsullied... who immediately set sail to get as far away from Westeros as possible. So what's to keep Bran from pardoning Jon after? Integrity. By doing this, a ruler would show his followers that he is not to be trusted. If the King goes back on his word when someone turns their back, he'll probably do it again.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 21, 2019 5:25:17 GMT
Let's be honest: this dimwit is unfit to rule...up there he can at least cause only the least possible damage. That's right, but the way Tyrion answered Jon implied the Watch remains as a place for the discarded.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 21, 2019 5:27:01 GMT
As an aside that Small Council scene was horrible. It was meant to portray Tyrion in Hell. I hope he hates it for the rest of his life
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 21, 2019 5:31:25 GMT
In the book, John was very intelligent, and was building green houses to help the watch feed itself through the long Winter. Yes, book-Jon is nowhere near the moron of the show. It's a different story. The show has turned characters into simpler archetypes after S5.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 21, 2019 6:44:44 GMT
Oh, fuck!
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