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Post by movieliker on May 21, 2019 15:15:25 GMT
They were never close. Especially Tyrion. He always complained he was the embarrassment of the family. And really? Did he really expect Cersie and Jaime to survive? i am convinced you are watching a different show. Well, I wasn't moved. It felt forced to me.
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Post by movieliker on May 21, 2019 15:18:10 GMT
Why was Tyrion crying while digging out Cersie and Jaime? Cersie hated him. He couldn't have been crying for her. Was he really surprised Jamie died?Seem like forced, fake melodrama. (There should have been violinists in the corner.) You think that's a reason for Tyrion not to cry? Yep. I wasn't moved. They were living in a time of extreme violence and death. They were not close. Especially Tyrion. He always complained he was the black sheep embarrassment of the family.
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Post by Winter_King on May 21, 2019 15:25:04 GMT
You think that's a reason for Tyrion not to cry? Yep. I wasn't moved. They were living in a time of extreme violence and death. They were not close. Especially Tyrion. He always complained he was the black sheep embarrassment of the family. Did you watch the previous episode where Tyrion said that Jaime was the only one of the family that treated him like a brother and that he felt that he was the reason why he wasn't killed as a child? They were close. Jaime was the only brother that Tyrion really cared.
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Post by movieliker on May 21, 2019 15:29:52 GMT
Yep. I wasn't moved. They were living in a time of extreme violence and death. They were not close. Especially Tyrion. He always complained he was the black sheep embarrassment of the family. Did you watch the previous episode where Tyrion said that Jaime was the only one of the family that treated him like a brother and that he felt that he was the reason why he wasn't killed as a child? They were close. Jaime was the only brother that Tyrion really cared. Yep. I didn't remember them being particularly close.
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Post by Winter_King on May 21, 2019 15:35:35 GMT
Did you watch the previous episode where Tyrion said that Jaime was the only one of the family that treated him like a brother and that he felt that he was the reason why he wasn't killed as a child? They were close. Jaime was the only brother that Tyrion really cared. Yep. I didn't remember them being particularly close. Well I do. Considering that being that close is what led Tyrion to free Jaime in the previous episode and try to help them escape the city and before that Jaime was ready to abandon his Kingsguards duties and take his father place in Casterly Rock if Tywin sent Tyrion to the wall. Jaime also helped Tyrion escape during the season 4 finale. They were always close.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 21, 2019 15:58:42 GMT
? Liked it ? Not? I didn't understand. I have a friend who said he didn't get it either.
And you know what?
I don't get what you don't get.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 21, 2019 16:00:01 GMT
Everyone who voted 1 are just being curmudgeonly. This last episode was back to form, as good as any of the not epic battle episodes.
Whiny babies.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 21, 2019 16:11:35 GMT
i am convinced you are watching a different show. Well, I wasn't moved. It felt forced to me. You didn’t have to be moved. He wasn’t your brother.
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Post by movieliker on May 21, 2019 16:13:22 GMT
Well, I wasn't moved. It felt forced to me. You didn’t have to be moved. He wasn’t your brother. No Cool, that is the whole point of entertainment. To make the viewer feel something.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 21, 2019 16:13:45 GMT
Everyone who voted 1 are just being curmudgeonly. This last episode was back to form, as good as any of the not epic battle episodes.
Whiny babies. It was great in the sense that it wrapped up the mediocre story if this season. There have been a lot of bad stories in the past couple of seasons and I would never rate an episode less than a 5 because they look better than anything else on TV and this was a gorgeous episode as was the last one.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 21, 2019 16:16:09 GMT
You didn’t have to be moved. He wasn’t your brother. No Cool, that is the whole point of entertainment. To make the viewer feel something. i thought the point of it was to entertain me. And no one is expected to feel anything about everything. If you don’t think brothers should love each other than that’s your right no matter how weird you are. Now if you were arguing whether the scene should be there I would agree with you, but since it is I have no idea what you would expect from a person losing their family.
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Post by Winter_King on May 21, 2019 16:27:19 GMT
Everyone who voted 1 are just being curmudgeonly. This last episode was back to form, as good as any of the not epic battle episodes.
Whiny babies. I somewhat agree because for me 1 needs to represent a complete failure in all aspects. Not just writing. And as with most Game of Thrones episodes, the music, the cinematography and the visuals effects are always great. I can't find the image, but that shot of Jon Snow with Drogon outside the keep was amazing.
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Post by movieliker on May 21, 2019 16:40:22 GMT
No Cool, that is the whole point of entertainment. To make the viewer feel something. i thought the point of it was to entertain me. And no one is expected to feel anything about everything. If you don’t think brothers should love each other than that’s your right no matter how weird you are. Now if you were arguing whether the scene should be there I would agree with you, but since it is I have no idea what you would expect from a person losing their family. It felt like forced melodrama. Jaime wasn't an appealing character. And Cersei was an evil bitch. So, why should I be sad for them? Tyrion was stupid ever since he hooked up with Dany. So, I didn't care about him. His "all of a sudden" concern for humanity came out of nowhere. Seemed stupid. Nobody really liked him or treated him well. Why would he be so concerned with the residents of Kings Landing? One of his few friends in the world was Varys (or whatever that bald guy's name was) and he turned him in. Inspite of betraying Dany left and right.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 21, 2019 17:05:24 GMT
i thought the point of it was to entertain me. And no one is expected to feel anything about everything. If you don’t think brothers should love each other than that’s your right no matter how weird you are. Now if you were arguing whether the scene should be there I would agree with you, but since it is I have no idea what you would expect from a person losing their family. It felt like forced melodrama. Jaime wasn't an appealing character. And Cersei was an evil bitch. So, why should I be sad for them? Tyrion was stupid ever since he hooked up with Dany. So, I didn't care about him. His "all of a sudden" concern for humanity came out of nowhere. Seemed stupid. Nobody really liked him or treated him well. Why would he be so concerned with the residents of Kings Landing? One of his few friends in the world was Varys (or whatever that bald guy's name was) and he turned him in. Inspite if betraying Dany left and right. [All of that boils down to you not liking Jaime and thus no one should weep for him.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 21, 2019 17:56:22 GMT
Everyone who voted 1 are just being curmudgeonly. This last episode was back to form, as good as any of the not epic battle episodes.
Whiny babies. I somewhat agree because for me 1 needs to represent a complete failure in all aspects. Not just writing. And as with most Game of Thrones episodes, the music, the cinematography and the visuals effects are always great. I can't find the image, but that shot of Jon Snow with Drogon outside the keep was amazing. The lowest level on the scale is for the worst thing possible in about every aspect. A boring, lacklustre episode of a well made series is a 5. One with explicit flaws like the whole "trial" and king selection not making sense is a 4. If the thing is consistently flawed all over it's a 3. You get the idea. Those who give any GoT episode a 1 have no brain.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 21, 2019 19:02:14 GMT
It felt like forced melodrama. Jaime wasn't an appealing character. And Cersei was an evil bitch. So, why should I be sad for them? Tyrion was stupid ever since he hooked up with Dany. So, I didn't care about him. His "all of a sudden" concern for humanity came out of nowhere. Seemed stupid. Nobody really liked him or treated him well. Why would he be so concerned with the residents of Kings Landing? One of his few friends in the world was Varys (or whatever that bald guy's name was) and he turned him in. Inspite if betraying Dany left and right. Jamie was SO an appealing character. He had changed from how he started, to become just about completely different. Cersei WAS an evil bitch, but then that means that she behaved exactly as she was supposed to, the villain of the series. But I don't think the point of Tyrion crying over them was to feel sad for them, but rather sad for Tyrion. In that one final moment he knows he's lost everything. There are no more Lannisters, and he is truly alone. What more humanity can a character express than to cry over the bodies of the one person that loved him more than anyone, and the one that hated him more than anyone? It was a brilliantly humane scene.
Tyrion, and Jon, did NOT have "all of a sudden" concern for people. The entire series has shown many moments of them being selfless for the greater good. If you don't acknowledge that then you haven't been watching the same show. And Dramatically speaking it works that he betrayed Varys because we all knew, or suspected, that he was soon going to end up in the same boat. Like he said "Varys's ashes could tell his I told you so."
There is one complaint that I will totally agree with and that is that the season was rushed. Because of that a lot of these moments aren't landing as well as they could. But If you choose to see this all in the negative than that's how you'll take it.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 21, 2019 20:22:22 GMT
Well I do. Considering that being that close is what led Tyrion to free Jaime in the previous episode and try to help them escape the city and before that Jaime was ready to abandon his Kingsguards duties and take his father place in Casterly Rock if Tywin sent Tyrion to the wall. Jaime also helped Tyrion escape during the season 4 finale. They were always close. Agreed. They were. The books go into more detail about their strong relationship, but the show established it over the course of the series. Tyrion even shares his very first scene in the series with Jaime. He's on the bed in the brothel with Ros when none other than Jaime walks into the room to speak with him.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 21, 2019 20:25:10 GMT
Well I do. Considering that being that close is what led Tyrion to free Jaime in the previous episode and try to help them escape the city and before that Jaime was ready to abandon his Kingsguards duties and take his father place in Casterly Rock if Tywin sent Tyrion to the wall. Jaime also helped Tyrion escape during the season 4 finale. They were always close. Agreed. They were. The books go into more detail about their strong relationship, but the show established it over the course of the series. Tyrion even shares his very first scene in the series with Jaime. He's on the bed in the brothel with Ros when none other than Jaime walks into the room to speak with him. The show deviates quite a bit from the books regarding their relationship. It ended ugly and I was surprised at the time that the show didn’t run with it.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 21, 2019 20:28:37 GMT
I can't find the image, but that shot of Jon Snow with Drogon outside the keep was amazing. This one?
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Post by shinnickneth on May 21, 2019 20:32:04 GMT
The show deviates quite a bit from the books regarding their relationship. It ended ugly and I was surprised at the time that the show didn’t run with it. It does due to the Tysha situation in the books, which Jaime took part in. Also due to Tyrion betraying Jaime by killing Tywin right after he let him out of his cell. There's animosity on both sides. With the Tysha subplot set aside, and Tyrion being given the chance to explain why he killed Tywin ("He knew I was innocent and he was still willing to kill me anyway" or something to that effect), the show sidestepped all of it.
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