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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 21, 2019 20:46:32 GMT
The show deviates quite a bit from the books regarding their relationship. It ended ugly and I was surprised at the time that the show didn’t run with it. It does due to the Tysha situation in the books, which Jaime took part in. Also due to Tyrion betraying Jaime by killing Tywin right after he let him out of his cell. There's animosity on both sides. With the Tysha subplot set aside, and Tyrion being given the chance to explain why he killed Tywin ("He knew I was innocent and he was still willing to kill me anyway" or something to that effect), the show sidestepped all of it. The problem is you almost have to buy into Tyrion despising his family and if even one link is left he’s going to have a soft spot even at the time he joins Dany. All of his decisions are clouded by it which not only makes him stupid but the people who follow his advice stupid as well. I assume in the books he’ll have a change of heart but we at least understand why he would start out fighting his family. There was no way he would seriously consider Jaime being killed even though he knew that’s what would happen if Dany got him. He wound up being a Lannister mole but being too dumb to know it.
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Post by Winter_King on May 21, 2019 20:51:47 GMT
I can't find the image, but that shot of Jon Snow with Drogon outside the keep was amazing. This one?
Yes. Thank you.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 22, 2019 0:51:35 GMT
No, Tyrion will ultimately come to enjoy being the Hand again. Bran is a reasonable boss, which is something he always wanted. Plus, he is the head of House Lannister, and he is the most powerful eligible bachelor alive in the 7 kingdoms. Oh come on! Do not rob me of the only hint of consolation I had
No, Tyrion enjoys mental puzzles and that is a large part of governing.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 22, 2019 1:01:21 GMT
Which is why Sansa should do it. Why does Jon even need a pardon? He is free up north to do whatever he wants. Who is going to report him if he visits Winterfell? Sansa? Would Bran really do anything to Jon? Its so stupid. Dany and her troops were killing everyone and anyone for the slightest lack of respect. But Tyrion is betraying her left and right. To her face and behind her back. He disrespects her in front of her troops after their victory at Kings Landing. And he ends up #1 advisor to King Bran the Broken !!! Jon fucking kills her and he ends up king of the north which is declared independent. And Greyworm and Dany's troops are okay with this? Ridiculous. The whole thing is ridiculous, Dany was a measured commander/ruler who lived by 'Do well by doing good,' and not someone prone to acting rashly. The only deaths she did that were questionable was Mereen, but those 160 were slave masters who's industry was slaves fighting to the death,so yes some were against crucifying slaves as a message to Dany but they were still taking part of an evil industry. Come season 8, she turns crazy, and throws that degree of care out the door.
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 22, 2019 1:56:32 GMT
It's just obvious, obvious is obvious. I feel bad for you tbh... PS - 8 votes for 1...ouch... You're not the only idiot here. Feel better? Yes, I know you do. Something comforting in that stench, I suppose. No, a lot felt this way moron. How about out debate this guy...imo, you cant. Truth is, there are holes, big holes in this story. Here bro, go for it....and get smashed. This guy explains it best...this video. Watching this episode is like watching someone kick a puppy.
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Post by movieliker on May 22, 2019 2:44:22 GMT
Why does Jon even need a pardon? He is free up north to do whatever he wants. Who is going to report him if he visits Winterfell? Sansa? Would Bran really do anything to Jon? Its so stupid. Dany and her troops were killing everyone and anyone for the slightest lack of respect. But Tyrion is betraying her left and right. To her face and behind her back. He disrespects her in front of her troops after their victory at Kings Landing. And he ends up #1 advisor to King Bran the Broken !!! Jon fucking kills her and he ends up king of the north which is declared independent. And Greyworm and Dany's troops are okay with this? Ridiculous. The whole thing is ridiculous, Dany was a measured commander/ruler who lived by 'Do well by doing good,' and not someone prone to acting rashly. The only deaths she did that were questionable was Mereen, but those 160 were slave masters who's industry was slaves fighting to the death,so yes some were against crucifying slaves as a message to Dany but they were still taking part of an evil industry. Come season 8, she turns crazy, and throws that degree of care out the door. Come season 8 she became more violent and ruthless because she could see nobody respected her for being nice. They only feared her ruthlessness. She was no worse than the rulers of the 7 kingdoms already were. And she had respect for Jon. He had no good reason for killing her. With his postion he could have mellowed her out some through advice and counseling. The only reason Winterfell, Sansa, Jon and all the Starks were still alive was because Dany baled them out and protected them with her armies. And how does Jon thank her? He kills her. Jon was a stupid retard. Like I said in another post, "Dany's fatal mistake was falling in love with Jon. In the end Jon stabbed her in the back." The only reason Tyrion, Jon and all the Starks were even alive was because of Dany. In the end, they all turned on her. After all was said and done, I respect Danyrious more than any other character. (Except maybe Arya.) Jon, Tyrion and the rest of the Starks can eat shit as far as I am concerned.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 22, 2019 4:44:52 GMT
Agreed. They were. The books go into more detail about their strong relationship, but the show established it over the course of the series. Tyrion even shares his very first scene in the series with Jaime. He's on the bed in the brothel with Ros when none other than Jaime walks into the room to speak with him. The show deviates quite a bit from the books regarding their relationship. It ended ugly and I was surprised at the time that the show didn’t run with it. It will probably take another turn back in the books, so the show cut that detour short.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 22, 2019 12:48:04 GMT
Best recap in 4 minutes:
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 22, 2019 13:30:23 GMT
I've already discussed all the awfulness of the season and this episode and I don't want to repeat myself. But I have a few small nitpicks that stood out to me on rewatch. What was the point of Arya's horse at the end of the previous episode, because it completely disappeared in the finale. Also, Jon confronts Grey Worm executing prisoners in the street. Davos calms things down by saying Jon should go talk to the queen. Jon walks off to find Dany. He gets to the Red Keep and starts climbing the stairs, only to see Grey Worm walk out and glare at him. Jon looked confused, and for good reason. "Hey...weren't you uptown like two minutes ago? I mean...we were just talking. Am I racist? Do all unsullied look alike?" (And I won't even get into the idea of the Unsullied taking Jon prisoner for killing their queen when they were executing prisoners for merely taking Cersei's side in the war. Hoo boy, this was a shitshow all around.)
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 22, 2019 13:46:30 GMT
Also, Jon confronts Grey Worm executing prisoners in the street. Davos calms things down by saying Jon should go talk to the queen. Jon walks off to find Dany. He gets to the Red Keep and starts climbing the stairs, only to see Grey Worm walk out and glare at him. Jon looked confused, and for good reason. "Hey...weren't you uptown like two minutes ago? I mean...we were just talking. Am I racist? Do all unsullied look alike?" (And I won't even get into the idea of the Unsullied taking Jon prisoner for killing their queen when they were executing prisoners for merely taking Cersei's side in the war. Hoo boy, this was a shitshow all around.) There are several Greyworms in the final episodes. They had to CGI-copy the 20 surviving Unsullied and the 5 Dothraki to replenish the army after the battle of Winterfell, that's why they all look similar. As to taking Jon prisoner and the funny Night's Watch, it will be explained in one of the deleted scenes on the DVD set. Greyworm: Where is our Queen? Jon: I killed her. Greyworm: Where is her body? Jon: Uh… I ate her Greyworm: … Hum… Where is Drogon? Jon: … I ate him too. Greyworm: Unsullied, put this man in a soft padded cell and make sure he cannot hurt himself. New King: Let's send lunatics to the Night's Watch after a nice goodbye, at least they can't really do anything wrong there. The condition is known as "dragonshock" (thanks to Sam for the info).
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 22, 2019 14:11:43 GMT
I've already discussed all the awfulness of the season and this episode and I don't want to repeat myself. But I have a few small nitpicks that stood out to me on rewatch. What was the point of Arya's horse at the end of the previous episode, because it completely disappeared in the finale. Also, Jon confronts Grey Worm executing prisoners in the street. Davos calms things down by saying Jon should go talk to the queen. Jon walks off to find Dany. He gets to the Red Keep and starts climbing the stairs, only to see Grey Worm walk out and glare at him. Jon looked confused, and for good reason. "Hey...weren't you uptown like two minutes ago? I mean...we were just talking. Am I racist? Do all unsullied look alike?" (And I won't even get into the idea of the Unsullied taking Jon prisoner for killing their queen when they were executing prisoners for merely taking Cersei's side in the war. Hoo boy, this was a shitshow all around.) [1. It was just a horse. Has anything symbolized a prophecy on the show? I think it just showed that some things survived the ordeal or perhaps foreshadowed hope. I never thought it was a pale horse as much as a dirty white horse though. 2. The coronation happened later than the immediate walk through. Tyrion was able to tour the Red Keep mourn his brother and return for the coronation indicating quite a bit of time passed.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 22, 2019 14:17:17 GMT
I've already discussed all the awfulness of the season and this episode and I don't want to repeat myself. But I have a few small nitpicks that stood out to me on rewatch. What was the point of Arya's horse at the end of the previous episode, because it completely disappeared in the finale. Also, Jon confronts Grey Worm executing prisoners in the street. Davos calms things down by saying Jon should go talk to the queen. Jon walks off to find Dany. He gets to the Red Keep and starts climbing the stairs, only to see Grey Worm walk out and glare at him. Jon looked confused, and for good reason. "Hey...weren't you uptown like two minutes ago? I mean...we were just talking. Am I racist? Do all unsullied look alike?" (And I won't even get into the idea of the Unsullied taking Jon prisoner for killing their queen when they were executing prisoners for merely taking Cersei's side in the war. Hoo boy, this was a shitshow all around.) [1. It was just a horse. Has anything symbolized a prophecy on the show? I think it just showed that some things survived the ordeal or perhaps foreshadowed hope. I never thought it was a pale horse as much as a dirty white horse though. 2. The coronation happened later than the immediate walk through. Tyrion was able to tour the Red Keep mourn his brother and return for the coronation indicating quite a bit of time passed. I didn't see it a metaphor or anything, I just thought it was odd that they filmed this dramatic scene of her riding off on this horse...but only for a few blocks because she's on foot at the coronation. And yeah I think we're supposed to infer that some time had lapsed since Jon talked to Grey Worm; but it's strange because Davos telling him to go talk to the queen suggests Jon went there immediately, only to find Grey Worm already there. It isn't so much a plot hole but poor editing.
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Post by Winter_King on May 22, 2019 14:37:05 GMT
I've already discussed all the awfulness of the season and this episode and I don't want to repeat myself. But I have a few small nitpicks that stood out to me on rewatch. What was the point of Arya's horse at the end of the previous episode, because it completely disappeared in the finale. Also, Jon confronts Grey Worm executing prisoners in the street. Davos calms things down by saying Jon should go talk to the queen. Jon walks off to find Dany. He gets to the Red Keep and starts climbing the stairs, only to see Grey Worm walk out and glare at him. Jon looked confused, and for good reason. "Hey...weren't you uptown like two minutes ago? I mean...we were just talking. Am I racist? Do all unsullied look alike?" (And I won't even get into the idea of the Unsullied taking Jon prisoner for killing their queen when they were executing prisoners for merely taking Cersei's side in the war. Hoo boy, this was a shitshow all around.) I've assumed that the speech happens later considering that all the Unsullied are gathered in one place together with the Dothraki and are waiting for Dany to arrive. It's not unusual to have scenes in the same episodes of Got that take place days, weeks or even months later. One of the examples and to show that this has been happening since season 1, is when Sansa writes a letter in King's Landing asking Robb to bend the knee to Joffrey. After that scene, what we see is Robb in Winterfell receiving the letter. We aren't to assume that the scene took place immediately after Sansa writing the letter but at least a couple of weeks after. As for the horse, it was just symbolism.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 22, 2019 14:48:49 GMT
[1. It was just a horse. Has anything symbolized a prophecy on the show? I think it just showed that some things survived the ordeal or perhaps foreshadowed hope. I never thought it was a pale horse as much as a dirty white horse though. 2. The coronation happened later than the immediate walk through. Tyrion was able to tour the Red Keep mourn his brother and return for the coronation indicating quite a bit of time passed. I didn't see it a metaphor or anything, I just thought it was odd that they filmed this dramatic scene of her riding off on this horse...but only for a few blocks because she's on foot at the coronation. And yeah I think we're supposed to infer that some time had lapsed since Jon talked to Grey Worm; but it's strange because Davos telling him to go talk to the queen suggests Jon went there immediately, only to find Grey Worm already there. It isn't so much a plot hole but poor editing. She leaves the Red Keep area and comes back for the coronation. Kings Landing is huge and she was riding away from the Red Keep anyway automatically meaning she came back. I don’t think he went there immediately because Dany wasn’t there. I think Davos was correctly telling Jon to not behave rashly which Jon is prone to do. He was saying Grey Worm can kill these dudes and only talking to the queen would change future executions.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 24, 2019 19:07:48 GMT
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 25, 2019 13:45:29 GMT
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Post by movieliker on May 25, 2019 17:47:27 GMT
This is a good video. I am pretty observant. I had many complaints about Season 8. But this guy picked up on many more valid criticisms than I noticed. Not only are his criticisms valid, he makes it funny too. 👍👍👍👍👍 It definitely seemed like the writers and producers just said, "I am tired of Game of Thrones." "But we spent 7 seasons developing all these characters and storylines." "I don't care. Let's just wrap it up and get out of here. It doesn't even have to make sense."
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 28, 2019 20:18:20 GMT
The whole thing is ridiculous, Dany was a measured commander/ruler who lived by 'Do well by doing good,' and not someone prone to acting rashly. The only deaths she did that were questionable was Mereen, but those 160 were slave masters who's industry was slaves fighting to the death,so yes some were against crucifying slaves as a message to Dany but they were still taking part of an evil industry. Come season 8, she turns crazy, and throws that degree of care out the door. Come season 8 she became more violent and ruthless because she could see nobody respected her for being nice. They only feared her ruthlessness. She was no worse than the rulers of the 7 kingdoms already were. And she had respect for Jon. He had no good reason for killing her. With his postion he could have mellowed her out some through advice and counseling. The only reason Winterfell, Sansa, Jon and all the Starks were still alive was because Dany baled them out and protected them with her armies. And how does Jon thank her? He kills her. Jon was a stupid retard. Like I said in another post, "Dany's fatal mistake was falling in love with Jon. In the end Jon stabbed her in the back." The only reason Tyrion, Jon and all the Starks were even alive was because of Dany. In the end, they all turned on her. After all was said and done, I respect Danyrious more than any other character. (Except maybe Arya.) Jon, Tyrion and the rest of the Starks can eat shit as far as I am concerned. "Come season 8 she became more violent and ruthless because she could see nobody respected her for being nice." Only after ep 3, and it was still a sudden emergency break. "The only reason Tyrion, Jon and all the Starks were even alive was because of Dany. In the end, they all turned on her. " I think the real reason the other Starks were ungrateful was they didn't like Jon having a gf. "After all was said and done, I respect Danyrious more than any other character. (Except maybe Arya.) " Book Arya had killed a few innocent people as part of her training while book Dany never killed anyone who was innocent, unless you consider slavers innocent.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 28, 2019 20:30:52 GMT
Come season 8 she became more violent and ruthless because she could see nobody respected her for being nice. They only feared her ruthlessness. She was no worse than the rulers of the 7 kingdoms already were. And she had respect for Jon. He had no good reason for killing her. With his postion he could have mellowed her out some through advice and counseling. The only reason Winterfell, Sansa, Jon and all the Starks were still alive was because Dany baled them out and protected them with her armies. And how does Jon thank her? He kills her. Jon was a stupid retard. Like I said in another post, "Dany's fatal mistake was falling in love with Jon. In the end Jon stabbed her in the back." The only reason Tyrion, Jon and all the Starks were even alive was because of Dany. In the end, they all turned on her. After all was said and done, I respect Danyrious more than any other character. (Except maybe Arya.) Jon, Tyrion and the rest of the Starks can eat shit as far as I am concerned. "Come season 8 she became more violent and ruthless because she could see nobody respected her for being nice." Only after ep 3, and it was still a sudden emergency break. "The only reason Tyrion, Jon and all the Starks were even alive was because of Dany. In the end, they all turned on her. " I think the real reason the other Starks were ungrateful was they didn't like Jon having a gf. "After all was said and done, I respect Danyrious more than any other character. (Except maybe Arya.) " Book Arya had killed a few innocent people as part of her training while book Dany never killed anyone who was innocent, unless you consider slavers innocent. Dany chose to burn innocent children because she didnt feel the "love" on that side of westeros , she was jealous because they loved jon more than her , she wanted to punish the innocent in KL because they didnt love her or kiss her feet she didnt receive the treatment she was used to in other places she conquered , she was not welcomed and that stupid ilario guy who gave her the dragon eggs filled viserys head and her head full of lies , they never had support back in KL unless you consider tryion and varys who in the end turn on her "support" no one wanted her for their queen and only person who called her his queen killed her . Dany in books is just as arrogant as she is on the show .
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 28, 2019 20:38:23 GMT
"Come season 8 she became more violent and ruthless because she could see nobody respected her for being nice." Only after ep 3, and it was still a sudden emergency break. "The only reason Tyrion, Jon and all the Starks were even alive was because of Dany. In the end, they all turned on her. " I think the real reason the other Starks were ungrateful was they didn't like Jon having a gf. "After all was said and done, I respect Danyrious more than any other character. (Except maybe Arya.) " Book Arya had killed a few innocent people as part of her training while book Dany never killed anyone who was innocent, unless you consider slavers innocent. Dany chose to burn innocent children because she didnt feel the "love" on that side of westeros , she was jealous because they loved jon more than her , she wanted to punish the innocent in KL because they didnt love her or kiss her feet she didnt receive the treatment she was used to in other places she conquered , she was not welcomed and that stupid ilario guy who gave her the dragon eggs filled viserys head and her head full of lies , they never had support back in KL unless you consider tryion and varys who in the end turn on her "support" no one wanted her for their queen and only person who called her his queen killed her . Dany in books is just as arrogant as she is on the show . It does not make any sense, nor does Cersie being able to rule after blowing up the holiest church in the 7 kingdoms. Realistically, the small folk would be rioting every day and with only 3,200 Gold Cloaks/Lannister soldiers, she would never be able to stay in power. Dany would easily be welcomed into KL. And no, Dany is not arrogant in either.
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