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Post by Marendil on May 13, 2019 23:13:29 GMT
Let's hope he's clever enough to omit that from his resume.
It would be entirely believable if she couldn't identify him from that far away.
They can't be that stupid. He was the commander of her army when Jaime left, and he was leading the Lannister escort when they arrived at King's Landing to negotiate with Cercei. He is no more a nameless sellsword: he is Ser Bronn of the Blackwater. Others will tell her who he is, and what he did; especially when he has the nerves to claim High Garden from her. She put King's Landing to ashes with thousands of civilians. I hardly believe she will welcome one of the highest ranked officers of her enemies and offer him the most important part of her kingdom: the Reach is the most populous of all kingdoms, the bread basket, and it has Old Town, the only major city left in Westeros. But greed has often troubled and clouded the judgment of people. She was willing to forgive Randyll Tarly and allow him to retain land and title despite him betraying Olenna and being instrumental in the demise of her most powerful ally. We both know Bronn will happily swear fealty to her rather than become a pile of ash.
I think it's probably moot now though, Tyrion isn't high enough in her favor for him to be handing out any castles, let alone Highgarden. He might be lucky if he's not staring down the business end of a dragon himself.
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Post by Aj_June on May 13, 2019 23:22:23 GMT
They can't be that stupid. He was the commander of her army when Jaime left, and he was leading the Lannister escort when they arrived at King's Landing to negotiate with Cercei. He is no more a nameless sellsword: he is Ser Bronn of the Blackwater. Others will tell her who he is, and what he did; especially when he has the nerves to claim High Garden from her. She put King's Landing to ashes with thousands of civilians. I hardly believe she will welcome one of the highest ranked officers of her enemies and offer him the most important part of her kingdom: the Reach is the most populous of all kingdoms, the bread basket, and it has Old Town, the only major city left in Westeros. But greed has often troubled and clouded the judgment of people. She was willing to forgive Randyll Tarly and allow him to retain land and title despite him betraying Olenna and being instrumental in the demise of her most powerful ally. We both know Bronn will happily swear fealty to her rather than become a pile of ash.
I think it's probably moot now though, Tyrion isn't high enough in her favor for him to be handing out any castles, let alone Highgarden. He might be lucky if he's not staring down the business end of a dragon himself.
My old friend Samwise Gamgee looks a great candidate for becoming the Lord Paramount of Highgarden as per the situations that have developed. Oh, and our beautiful Gilly will be a Lady. Yeah, power to wildling beauties!
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Post by bluerisk on May 13, 2019 23:46:34 GMT
They can't be that stupid. He was the commander of her army when Jaime left, and he was leading the Lannister escort when they arrived at King's Landing to negotiate with Cercei. He is no more a nameless sellsword: he is Ser Bronn of the Blackwater. Others will tell her who he is, and what he did; especially when he has the nerves to claim High Garden from her. She put King's Landing to ashes with thousands of civilians. I hardly believe she will welcome one of the highest ranked officers of her enemies and offer him the most important part of her kingdom: the Reach is the most populous of all kingdoms, the bread basket, and it has Old Town, the only major city left in Westeros. But greed has often troubled and clouded the judgment of people. She was willing to forgive Randyll Tarly and allow him to retain land and title despite him betraying Olenna and being instrumental in the demise of her most powerful ally. We both know Bronn will happily swear fealty to her rather than become a pile of ash.
I think it's probably moot now though, Tyrion isn't high enough in her favor for him to be handing out any castles, let alone Highgarden. He might be lucky if he's not staring down the business end of a dragon himself.
Lord Tarly didn't go after her children, and was not indirectly responsible for the death of one. Bronn's successful hit proved the worth of the scorpion - and the scene with the three whores, when Qyburn gave him the mission to kill Tyrion and Jaime, also hinted that he is famous for having attacked successfully a dragon. Maybe she had forgiven him back then, but after Rhaegal's death, and now that she has turn into the mad queen...I don't see that. I guess she would love to see him burn and scream, to kill someone in person who caused harm to her children.
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Post by Marendil on May 13, 2019 23:49:53 GMT
She was willing to forgive Randyll Tarly and allow him to retain land and title despite him betraying Olenna and being instrumental in the demise of her most powerful ally. We both know Bronn will happily swear fealty to her rather than become a pile of ash.
I think it's probably moot now though, Tyrion isn't high enough in her favor for him to be handing out any castles, let alone Highgarden. He might be lucky if he's not staring down the business end of a dragon himself.
My old friend Samwise Gamgee looks a great candidate for becoming the Lord Paramount of Highgarden as per the situations that have developed. Oh, and our beautiful Gilly will be a Lady. Yeah, power to wildling beauties! That would make sense, though I'd like to see Bronn get something at the end outside a grisly death or being completely forgotten. I always thought the Twins and a Frey bride a fitting end for him, maybe he stopped back there on his way back and took command of the Lannister soldiers 'restoring order' with a healthy dose of bullshit and a good sword arm. I kinda doubt they'll be spending much time on him in the finale however. Sigh.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 14, 2019 0:09:47 GMT
She was willing to forgive Randyll Tarly and allow him to retain land and title despite him betraying Olenna and being instrumental in the demise of her most powerful ally. We both know Bronn will happily swear fealty to her rather than become a pile of ash.
I think it's probably moot now though, Tyrion isn't high enough in her favor for him to be handing out any castles, let alone Highgarden. He might be lucky if he's not staring down the business end of a dragon himself.
My old friend Samwise Gamgee looks a great candidate for becoming the Lord Paramount of Highgarden as per the situations that have developed. Oh, and our beautiful Gilly will be a Lady. Yeah, power to wildling beauties! Wait, I thought this was a Middle Earth Crossover joke. Anyway, Sam would be the Lord Paramount unless Dany made a decision immediately which I assume she didn;t since Tyrion offered it. However, his estate is huge too and I can't imagine he would want Highgarden despite it being a bigger prize.
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Post by bluerisk on May 14, 2019 0:10:22 GMT
She was willing to forgive Randyll Tarly and allow him to retain land and title despite him betraying Olenna and being instrumental in the demise of her most powerful ally. We both know Bronn will happily swear fealty to her rather than become a pile of ash.
I think it's probably moot now though, Tyrion isn't high enough in her favor for him to be handing out any castles, let alone Highgarden. He might be lucky if he's not staring down the business end of a dragon himself.
My old friend Samwise Gamgee looks a great candidate for becoming the Lord Paramount of Highgarden as per the situations that have developed. Oh, and our beautiful Gilly will be a Lady. Yeah, power to wildling beauties! Well, he might rather become Lord of Hornhill (also an impressive estate) and paramount Lord and Warden of the South. High Garden might fall to the crown and serve as residence as long as King's Landing is in ruins. If the mad queen should survive, she had no one close who she could hand over high garden or the South (aside from Sam). The Southern Lords fought her, and nobody of them where at Winterfell or King's Landing (except for Sam): it was the Vale and the North...maybe some Tully. Winterfell - Stark (Jon/Sandsa) Vale - Arryn (Robyn/ Lord Royce as Lord regent I guess) Stormlands - Baratheon (=> Gendry) Riverland - Tully (Edmure) Iron Islands - Greyjoy (Yara) Dorne - Martell, Dayne(?) (The Prince who declared for the mad queen before(!) the battle of KL was fought) The Reach - Tarly (Sam => Hornhill) Westerlands - Tyrion, if he survives...Ser Davos...I have no idea...in the book there are many other Lannisters, and in the TV actually show too. Like the guy who was sent home by Tywin with the words (out of memory) that he would be a kettle cleaner if it wasn't for him to be a Lannister. But if one house has fallen out of favor, than house Lannister...and Tyrion will fuck things up, at lastest when she learns that he freed his brother, and there is no clue if Jaime and Cercei are still alive. She only knows that he was freed, but she can't be sure if he or Cercei died...alone that might be the last failure she warned him of. His naive idea was that if she wins the city without major bloodshed, she might forgive him even his latest betrayal...but after what she did to the city even when it surrendered; I don't see that.
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Post by Marendil on May 14, 2019 0:10:25 GMT
She was willing to forgive Randyll Tarly and allow him to retain land and title despite him betraying Olenna and being instrumental in the demise of her most powerful ally. We both know Bronn will happily swear fealty to her rather than become a pile of ash.
I think it's probably moot now though, Tyrion isn't high enough in her favor for him to be handing out any castles, let alone Highgarden. He might be lucky if he's not staring down the business end of a dragon himself.
Lord Tarly didn't go after her children, and was not indirectly responsible for the death of one. Bronn's successful hit proved the worth of the scorpion - and the scene with the three whores, when Qyburn gave him the mission to kill Tyrion and Jaime, also hinted that he is famous for having attacked successfully a dragon. Maybe she had forgiven him back then, but after Rhaegal's death, and now that she has turn into the mad queen...I don't see that. I guess she would love to see him burn and scream, to kill someone in person who caused harm to her children. I guess we'll see, he didn't kill Drogon and who knows if there's anyone even left who knows he tried that would tell her.
I wonder just how 'mad' they're going to go with her, she didn't really look like she'd totally lost control of her faculties in the few shots they afforded us of her once the surrender bells rang. There's a coldly rational explanation for her behavior that might even be scarier. She says something like 'I said I was going to 'break the wheel' and Tyrion reminded me Aegon built it and he started by founding this stinking cesspool of a city that I've now cauterized. We'll start building a new world on its ashes yada, yada, yada.'
In that scenario she might find room for a trumped up sell-sword who'd fought bravely in the past. I imagine Bronn will get some sort of end to his story this season or they wouldn't have given him the little screentime they did.
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Post by bluerisk on May 14, 2019 0:14:03 GMT
My old friend Samwise Gamgee looks a great candidate for becoming the Lord Paramount of Highgarden as per the situations that have developed. Oh, and our beautiful Gilly will be a Lady. Yeah, power to wildling beauties! That would make sense, though I'd like to see Bronn get something at the end outside a grisly death or being completely forgotten. I always thought the Twins and a Frey bride a fitting end for him, maybe he stopped back there on his way back and took command of the Lannister soldiers 'restoring order' with a healthy dose of bullshit and a good sword arm. I kinda doubt they'll be spending much time on him in the finale however. Sigh. But for what service to the mad queen? @bronn He can't side the losing site, losing all his aces (Tyrion and Jaime) and still be a winner. Maybe he will become what he was: a mere sellsword who has to flee Westeros as once had the founder of the Golden Company.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 14, 2019 0:15:23 GMT
I don;t understand why he was even used to begin with.
I guess Cersei actually did hire him.
More proof this plotline sucks.
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Post by bluerisk on May 14, 2019 0:20:32 GMT
My old friend Samwise Gamgee looks a great candidate for becoming the Lord Paramount of Highgarden as per the situations that have developed. Oh, and our beautiful Gilly will be a Lady. Yeah, power to wildling beauties! Wait, I thought this was a Middle Earth Crossover joke. Anyway, Sam would be the Lord Paramount unless Dany made a decision immediately which I assume she didn;t since Tyrion offered it. However, his estate is huge too and I can't imagine he would want Highgarden despite it being a bigger prize. To a general of her enemies without consulting her - highgarden and the South...I guess she would rather consider it as high treason and not as a fair reward for Bronn's service to Queen Cercei. Tyrion is in no way in the position to name the new Paramount Lord and Warden of the South, bypassing the mad queen entirely, and even giving it to one of her enemies' most vital officers during the war against her.
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Post by Marendil on May 14, 2019 0:23:30 GMT
That would make sense, though I'd like to see Bronn get something at the end outside a grisly death or being completely forgotten. I always thought the Twins and a Frey bride a fitting end for him, maybe he stopped back there on his way back and took command of the Lannister soldiers 'restoring order' with a healthy dose of bullshit and a good sword arm. I kinda doubt they'll be spending much time on him in the finale however. Sigh. But for what service to the mad queen? @bronn He can't side the losing site, losing all his aces (Tyrion and Jaime) and still be a winner. Maybe he will become what he was: a mere sellsword who has to flee Westeros as once had the founder of the Golden Company. I was thinking he'd just commandeer it and the Twins being such a pain to root him out of (if she toasts the castles she might lose the bridge) she might just accept his fealty rather than try to replace him, not too dissimilar to what he achieved in the books with the Stokeworth estate. The Golden Company is another possibility too, I'm guessing they'll have need of some good officers...
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Post by shinnickneth on May 14, 2019 1:01:14 GMT
Let's hope he's clever enough to omit that from his resume.
It would be entirely believable if she couldn't identify him from that far away. Yeah, good thing he doesn't have an evil mustache that he twirls. It could be a dead giveaway...literally! 
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 14, 2019 4:59:48 GMT
Wait, I thought this was a Middle Earth Crossover joke. Anyway, Sam would be the Lord Paramount unless Dany made a decision immediately which I assume she didn;t since Tyrion offered it. However, his estate is huge too and I can't imagine he would want Highgarden despite it being a bigger prize. To a general of her enemies without consulting her - highgarden and the South...I guess she would rather consider it as high treason and not as a fair reward for Bronn's service to Queen Cercei. Tyrion is in no way in the position to name the new Paramount Lord and Warden of the South, bypassing the mad queen entirely, and even giving it to one of her enemies' most vital officers during the war against her. Lying to the enemy by making false promises is not treason, it's battle tactics. Tyrion's behaviour is fully defensible but who knows what defence she is willing too hear at all?
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Post by bluerisk on May 14, 2019 7:22:47 GMT
To a general of her enemies without consulting her - highgarden and the South...I guess she would rather consider it as high treason and not as a fair reward for Bronn's service to Queen Cercei. Tyrion is in no way in the position to name the new Paramount Lord and Warden of the South, bypassing the mad queen entirely, and even giving it to one of her enemies' most vital officers during the war against her. Lying to the enemy by making false promises is not treason, it's battle tactics. Tyrion's behaviour is fully defensible but who knows what defence she is willing too hear at all? He was simply saving his and his brothers ass. It was no service to the cause. But the way Bronn could simply walk into their room in Winterfell...why not the room of the mad queen?!
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Post by Marendil on May 14, 2019 7:34:25 GMT
Lying to the enemy by making false promises is not treason, it's battle tactics. Tyrion's behaviour is fully defensible but who knows what defence she is willing too hear at all? He was simply saving his and his brothers ass. It was no service to the cause. But the way Bronn could simply walk into their room in Winterfell...why not the room of the mad queen?! That was in nearby Wintertown, you can see Winterfell in the background as they close in on the scene. I guess Jamie didn't rate digs in the castle.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 14, 2019 11:42:09 GMT
It would be a skill to shoot a Scorpion - much like a crossbow or a regular bow. Just because Bronn could do it, doesn't mean others could. The Greyjoys are hardly disciplined on top of that. Cersei's forces got some shots off. They just missed and the weapons take too long to reload to inflict the casualty they needed. Dany also came down on them from higher in the sky, which was something others on here were complaining about her not doing the first time around when Rhaegal died. I guess so , thank god her other two dragons were shot down otherwise it would have been even worse .
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Post by shinnickneth on May 14, 2019 16:28:23 GMT
I guess so , thank god her other two dragons were shot down otherwise it would have been even worse . If she had those other two dragons, she may not have felt so weakened and vulnerable. She may have felt at least she had her power still despite not having Missandei or Jorah by her side. She may not have done what she did. 
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 14, 2019 16:34:50 GMT
I guess so , thank god her other two dragons were shot down otherwise it would have been even worse . If she had those other two dragons, she may not have felt so weakened and vulnerable. She may have felt at least she had her power still despite not having Missandei or Jorah by her side. She may not have done what she did. Feelings of weakness and vulnerability played no role. She's cleaning the world of the unworthy, of those who won't love her, of the "backwards looking" who won't recognise her obvious value. She's the "progressive" one!
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 14, 2019 21:34:55 GMT
I guess so , thank god her other two dragons were shot down otherwise it would have been even worse . If she had those other two dragons, she may not have felt so weakened and vulnerable. She may have felt at least she had her power still despite not having Missandei or Jorah by her side. She may not have done what she did. i may have agreed with that if she didnt use all dragons in the past but I remember dany i think it was S6 when she attacked those masters/ships with all three of her dragons it wasnt much of a fight other guys didnt have a chance , i think dany loved showing off her dragons .
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Post by shinnickneth on May 14, 2019 22:45:24 GMT
i may have agreed with that if she didnt use all dragons in the past but I remember dany i think it was S6 when she attacked those masters/ships with all three of her dragons it wasnt much of a fight other guys didnt have a chance , i think dany loved showing off her dragons . That's not really a fair comparison. The Masters and their underlings had weapons in their hands and ships. They were planning to kill her, Tyrion, Greyworm, etc. They weren't innocent people trying to flee as they got burned up in King's Landing. Dany using dragons in both of these circumstances are entirely different. One is a battle, while the other was just genocide outside of The Golden Company and Greyjoy forces being smashed.
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