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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 22:27:20 GMT
Sorry if I misunderstood you. My point is "Abortion is wrong except when the life or health of the mother is at risk." My initial post was basically saying I support the mothers choice to abort at any time during the pregnancy, but if it’s so far along that the child can survive the procedure then I’m for attempting to do so. I think abortion should be legal. BUT IT IS WRONG ANYTIME AFTER INCEPTION. Unless the life or health of the mother is at risk. Then it is justifiable homicide (self-defense). |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 15, 2019 22:34:11 GMT
Nope. Homicide is a crime. Abortion is legal. The exact opposite of a crime. Stop lying. Ha ha ha . . . You are hiding behind semantics. Abortion is wrong. Legality is not semantics. It's the difference between jail time and freedom. Please stop lying.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 22:48:36 GMT
Ha ha ha . . . You are hiding behind semantics. Abortion is wrong. Legality is not semantics. It's the difference between jail time and freedom. Please stop lying. Only you are aguing about the law. Are you arguing with yourself? I am only talking about right and wrong. Not the law. |
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Post by Harmless elf on May 16, 2019 0:24:43 GMT
Legality is not semantics. It's the difference between jail time and freedom. Please stop lying. Only you are aguing about the law. Are you arguing with yourself? I am only talking about right and wrong. Not the law. Lol something I noticed about preach is he loves to use the strawman argument tactic. This is very common with SJW's. |
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 0:29:53 GMT
Only you are aguing about the law. Are you arguing with yourself? I am only talking about right and wrong. Not the law. Lol something I noticed about preach is he loves to use the strawman argument tactic. This is very common with SJW's. He's a troll. He argues just to argue. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 16, 2019 0:33:55 GMT
How can we as humans beings actually manipulate this into a "Woman's Rights" issue? With birth control readily available to the public, morning after pills, etc. Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. What is the difference between me walking into a hospital, a woman saying "I made a mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't be a mother." So I stab a baby in the neck and throw him/her into a trash can... Or two hours earlier while he/she is still in the womb stabbing the baby before it comes out? 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 16, 2019 0:36:02 GMT
If the baby can survive outside the womb then more power to it. I support a woman’s right to sever those ties at any moment. What about that child's right to live? But you don't care about the living rights of humans already birthed, so don't pretend that you do.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 16, 2019 0:39:52 GMT
Depends on the situation. You mean like if the mother's life or health is being jeopardized by the pregnancy? Otherwise it is murder? So how many late abortions are performed for the mother's health reason, as opposed to those that are doing it out of callous cold blooded reasons for murder?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 16, 2019 0:44:09 GMT
Yep. Which is why it's a crock to reference it in 2019. No. There are many good things in the Bible. But everything in there is not good. One needs to be discriminating. And separate the good from bad. Abortion is murder. Unless the life or health of the mother is at risk. So if it is murder, please prove late term abortions that are legitimate murder cases that is an epidemic that is worth making a shady political issue over, and on what grounds and consequences has it affected you?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 16, 2019 0:51:07 GMT
Nope. If it's legal, it's not murder. Stop trying to change the meaning of words. Its legal, and it is wrong. It was legal in Nazi Germany to exterminate Jews. Does it being legal make it right? False equivalency. Jews and other human beings persecuted and exterminated by the Nazi's, were already living human beings birthed into this world. They would have also exterminated women that were pregnant. What was the Nazi stance on abortions amongst their superior race?
The extremist right wing dictatorial Nazis made it legal to exterminate those that didn't live up their standards due to evil and corruption within their ideals, they were NOT concerned for anyone's health or well-being but their own. Late term abortions are decided upon due to the health of the mother and\or abnormalities for the yet as unborn child. If the child is going to be born deformed or retarded, we will just send them your way to take care of, since you are one fine upstanding caring and compassionate citizen.... 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 16, 2019 0:53:19 GMT
Yes, there are. No, it's not. That's why doctors who perform abortions are not put on trial for murder. Doctors who perform abortions are not put on trial for murder because abortion is legal. Abortion is legal because the majority wants it to be. Its called democracy. It wasn't legalized because it is right. It was legalized because it is popular.No! Out of common sense rationale, not because what some schmo's, such as yourself, think is right and wrong based on phony and outdated religious doctrine. The Nazi's thought in right and wrong motifs and look at the stigma that now gets placed on them.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 16, 2019 1:01:32 GMT
I agree it's ethically wrong to kill a dog because you don't want it around. So of course under most circumstances killing a human embryo is wrong. However, it's a woman's rights issue and an individual rights issue as well. The government can't patrol the womb. They can't force a woman to carry a baby in her womb if she doesn't want it there. How could they even enforce it? If a selfish bitch wants to abort her baby it's a private decision and she has a right to be selfish.Whom is the selfish one though gamey, if someone else makes a decision that doesn't suit the ideals, or coincide what another parties 'expectations' are? Is is not selfish to project a emotional reaction or response of, how dare you make me feel this way, or how dare you not do as I say because it goes against my own grain because it is not what 'I' wanted?
A woman could abort a child and then have another child at a later stage. That is what was meant to be and that other child wouldn't have existed, if not for the aborted child. It is no-one's to judge, especially when it is of no consequence to our own lives.
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Post by Doghouse6 on May 16, 2019 1:07:21 GMT
When anti-choicers start giving a damn about children after they're born, maybe I'll give some credence to their concern and sincerity. Get shot in the street? 2nd amendment freedoms, baby! Kick them off public assistance because their parents can't make a decent living? We can't afford a nanny state.
When the same people for whom they vote stop getting between people and their doctors, trying to curtail access to contraceptives or legislating what others can do with their bodies, maybe I'll be less skeptical of their "smaller, less intrusive government" rhetoric.
Walk the walk, and maybe I'll believe the talk.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:07:44 GMT
You mean like if the mother's life or health is being jeopardized by the pregnancy? Otherwise it is murder? So how many late abortions are performed for the mother's health reason, as opposed to those that are doing it out of callous cold blooded reasons for murder? The overwhelming number of abortions are performed on women who see their pregnancy as an inconvenience. The rape, incest victim and the mother whose life or health is at risk, is a myth used by pro abortion advocates. Yes, it happens. But not as much as pro abortionists pretend. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 16, 2019 1:09:19 GMT
So how many late abortions are performed for the mother's health reason, as opposed to those that are doing it out of callous cold blooded reasons for murder? The overwhelming number of abortions are performed on women who see their pregnancy as an inconvenience. The rape, incest victim and the mother whose life or health is at risk, is a myth used by pro abortion advocates. Yes, it happens. But not as much as pro abortionists pretend. So if they abort their fetus at any stage of their pregnancy, how is that an "inconvenience" to you?
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:12:01 GMT
No. There are many good things in the Bible. But everything in there is not good. One needs to be discriminating. And separate the good from bad. Abortion is murder. Unless the life or health of the mother is at risk. So if it is murder, please prove late term abortions that are legitimate murder cases that is an epidemic that is worth making a shady political issue over, and on what grounds and consequences has it affected you? It doesn't affect me. It is just my human obligation to protect the innocent and vulnerable. It is what separates the humans from the other animals. Animals only think of themselves. Evolved humans take care of others. |
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:14:36 GMT
Its legal, and it is wrong. It was legal in Nazi Germany to exterminate Jews. Does it being legal make it right? False equivalency. Jews and other human beings persecuted and exterminated by the Nazi's, were already living human beings birthed into this world. They would have also exterminated women that were pregnant. What was the Nazi stance on abortions amongst their superior race?
The extremist right wing dictatorial Nazis made it legal to exterminate those that didn't live up their standards due to evil and corruption within their ideals, they were NOT concerned for anyone's health or well-being but their own. Late term abortions are decided upon due to the health of the mother and\or abnormalities for the yet as unborn child. If the child is going to be born deformed or retarded, we will just send them your way to take care of, since you are one fine upstanding caring and compassionate citizen.... A distinction without a difference. Both the unborn child and post birth people are living human beings. Killing any human being is wrong unless it is an imminent threat to others. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 16, 2019 1:14:50 GMT
So if it is murder, please prove late term abortions that are legitimate murder cases that is an epidemic that is worth making a shady political issue over, and on what grounds and consequences has it affected you? It doesn't affect me. It is just my human obligation to protect the innocent and vulnerable. It is what separates the humans from the other animals. Animals only think of themselves. Evolved humans take care of others. How is it your obligation to involve yourself in something that is of no relative consequence or detriment to you?
That is my point, pro-lifers whine about unborn children being aborted and then don't give a rats about caring for an already massed amount of birthed human beings. No, you are not evolved, because you black and white way of thinking is very limited and very ignorant.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:17:59 GMT
Doctors who perform abortions are not put on trial for murder because abortion is legal. Abortion is legal because the majority wants it to be. Its called democracy. It wasn't legalized because it is right. It was legalized because it is popular.No! Out of common sense rationale, not because what some schmo's, such as yourself, think is right and wrong based on phony and outdated religious doctrine. The Nazi's thought in right and wrong motifs and look at the stigma that now gets placed on them. Wrong. Modern science says the human DNA pattern is decided at conception. The blueprint determining that human being's physical, mental, psychological and emotional structure is set and distinctly individual. If killed, that individual will never get another chance at life, ever again. |
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Post by gameboy on May 16, 2019 1:21:02 GMT
I agree it's ethically wrong to kill a dog because you don't want it around. So of course under most circumstances killing a human embryo is wrong. However, it's a woman's rights issue and an individual rights issue as well. The government can't patrol the womb. They can't force a woman to carry a baby in her womb if she doesn't want it there. How could they even enforce it? If a selfish bitch wants to abort her baby it's a private decision and she has a right to be selfish.Whom is the selfish one though gamey, if someone else makes a decision that doesn't suit the ideals, or coincide what another parties 'expectations' are? Is is not selfish to project a emotional reaction or response of, how dare you make me feel this way, or how dare you not do as I say because it goes against my own grain because it is not what 'I' wanted?
A woman could abort a child and then have another child at a later stage. That is what was meant to be and that other child wouldn't have existed, if not for the aborted child. It is no-one's to judge, especially when it is of no consequence to our own lives.
I dunno about you but I'm glad I'm alive. If my mother had chosen to abort me, I wouldn't be here right now. There's only one zygote which would have been me. If my mother had waited to give birth, the next zygote would have been my brother or sister, but not me. So you are destroying a unique individual when you abort. You're taking away that embryo's one shot. It will never have another. When I hear of women who abort because she says she can't afford it, or the deadbeat father won't support it, sorry, that's selfish. The majority of people on earth grow up in dire poverty. So? Now dogs are less important than humans. But if I had a dog and decided he was an inconvenience, would it be ethical for me to cut off that dog's head? If we won't treat a dog like that, than why dismiss the right to life of our unborn child?
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