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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 14, 2019 20:40:59 GMT
He got injured when he destroyed the stones. I understand that, but couldn't he have healed himself with the stones before he destroyed them??? I don't see how when it was the act of destroying them that caused his injuries.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 14, 2019 21:07:05 GMT
Solid observation about Thanos. It's true, the Thanos that had been built up the entire time was killed almost immediately. Very interesting choice. You can tell by contrast that he's wiser than his 2014 counterpart. I thought it was a mistake to have killed Thanos like they did so quickly in the beginning. I would have liked to seen a much longer fight scene or at least a real struggle between Thanos and the Avengers (especially Thor) in the beginning than the rather easy and rather quick death he got in the beginning of Endgame. How is it Thor got his ass beat by Kurse and Hela so badly but easily kills Thanos who is supposed to be stronger and smarter than these two???
PS. I also don't like how they used the Infinity Stones in this movie either. It wasn't consistent at all. Like how come Thanos didn't heal himself with the stones before destroying them???
I think he wanted to die. He had completed his mission; he certainly wasn’t thinking of time travel. What more did he have to do? He put up a token fight and then—accepted his death.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 14, 2019 21:10:49 GMT
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Post by charzhino on May 14, 2019 21:19:23 GMT
Creating a proper mix of drama, comedy, and action is really the true art of these movies. It's relatively easy to make a movie that has just one tone (grim dark for example). But to make people laugh in the middle of a dramatic scene without losing the impact is much harder.[ N0nsense. So gamora kicking Starlord in the nutz and Quill making a joke doesnt lose the impact of the massive war going on in the background where countless people are getting massacred. What!
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 14, 2019 21:26:53 GMT
Creating a proper mix of drama, comedy, and action is really the true art of these movies. It's relatively easy to make a movie that has just one tone (grim dark for example). But to make people laugh in the middle of a dramatic scene without losing the impact is much harder.[ N0nsense. So gamora kicking Starlord in the nutz and Quill making a joke doesnt lose the impact of the massive war going on in the background where countless people are getting massacred. What! Obviously not since the movie is almost universally praised by critics, movie fans and comics fans alike. It's no different from Butch and Sundance making jokes after they had both been shot and were about to run out into almost certain death.
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Post by charzhino on May 14, 2019 21:35:43 GMT
N0nsense. So gamora kicking Starlord in the nutz and Quill making a joke doesnt lose the impact of the massive war going on in the background where countless people are getting massacred. What! Obviously not since the movie is almost universally praised by critics, movie fans and comics fans alike. It's no different from Butch and Sundance making jokes after they had both been shot and were about to run out into almost certain death. But this is a fight for the fate of the multiverse the stakes couldnt be higher. Considering Starlord fucked up majorly when the Avengers tried to get the glove off Thanos on Titan, shouldnt Quill be extra focused to get the mission complete instead of goofing around making nutz jokes.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 14, 2019 21:41:26 GMT
Solid observation about Thanos. It's true, the Thanos that had been built up the entire time was killed almost immediately. Very interesting choice. You can tell by contrast that he's wiser than his 2014 counterpart. I thought it was a mistake to have killed Thanos like they did so quickly in the beginning. I would have liked to seen a much longer fight scene or at least a real struggle between Thanos and the Avengers (especially Thor) in the beginning than the rather easy and rather quick death he got in the beginning of Endgame. How is it Thor got his ass beat by Kurse and Hela so badly but easily kills Thanos who is supposed to be stronger and smarter than these two???
PS. I also don't like how they used the Infinity Stones in this movie either. It wasn't consistent at all. Like how come Thanos didn't heal himself with the stones before destroying them???
Because half of Thanos' body was ravaged by the stones, and he had three other Avengers holding him down. And Thanos can't heal himself because the stones were already destroyed.
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Post by Archelaus on May 14, 2019 21:47:51 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed your detailed critique of the film. Thank you.Right, but why couldn’t they just have gone back to 2018, or right before 2018, and just remove one Infinity Stone? Then Thanos couldn’t have done the “snap” in 2018 because, as you said, it required all of them. Which would create an alternate timeline in which no one could have disappeared. It’s not a major deal, because then the rest of the plot wouldn’t have worked, of course, but it just came to mind: there are simpler ways to do this once you bring in time-travel. The way they explained time travel is that changing the past doesn't change the future. Following your reasoning, it would have created an alternate 2018 in which everybody is alive, but it wouldn't have changed anything concerning the present timeline of 2023 as the snap had already happened. Thanos's army comes from the Chitauri who are basically his client enforcers when they invade planets and kill off half of the population. The monsters during the final battle you may be referring to are the Leviathan. The Chiatauri were the bad guys (other than Loki) in The Avengers, right? OK, I just didn’t know they were still around. Were they in Infinity War? If so, I missed them/don’t remember them. Ditto with the Leviathans. Aside from the flashback scene in which they massacred half of Gamora's people, the Chitauri appeared as guards watching over Nebula when Thanos took Gamora into questioning for the location of the Soul Stone.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 22:05:38 GMT
Solid observation about Thanos. It's true, the Thanos that had been built up the entire time was killed almost immediately. Very interesting choice. You can tell by contrast that he's wiser than his 2014 counterpart. I thought it was a mistake to have killed Thanos like they did so quickly in the beginning. I would have liked to seen a much longer fight scene or at least a real struggle between Thanos and the Avengers (especially Thor) in the beginning than the rather easy and rather quick death he got in the beginning of Endgame. How is it Thor got his ass beat by Kurse and Hela so badly but easily kills Thanos who is supposed to be stronger and smarter than these two???
PS. I also don't like how they used the Infinity Stones in this movie either. It wasn't consistent at all. Like how come Thanos didn't heal himself with the stones before destroying them???
It was very surprising. I think Thor killed Thanos with the rage but it never let up that Thanos was unarmed, wounded, semiretired and outnumbered. Not to mention caught off guard.
It is what it is. I was very surprised but I feel like I'm more used to it now (even though it really only took a few minutes) and I'm cool with it.
I think he had to destroy the stones to be hurt the way he was, which is actually a testament to the character I felt Thanos was because he doesn't need them after his mission, and unlike most tyrants and despots who never give up their power, he kept his word. He really only kept it to himself and a few people he confessed it to on the battlefield that his only mission was to half the universe, and he actually gave it up. Surprising big-ups from me; Thanos...he's a character. I know what you're saying though about killing Thanos at the beginning.
Incidentally, I had to look up Kurse. I don't think I picked up his name in the entirety of Thor: The Dark World. For a second, I had no idea who that was.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 14, 2019 22:10:10 GMT
Obviously not since the movie is almost universally praised by critics, movie fans and comics fans alike. It's no different from Butch and Sundance making jokes after they had both been shot and were about to run out into almost certain death. But this is a fight for the fate of the multiverse the stakes couldnt be higher. Considering Starlord fucked up majorly when the Avengers tried to get the glove off Thanos on Titan, shouldnt Quill be extra focused to get the mission complete instead of goofing around making nutz jokes. No, because this is an action adventure superhero movie with time machines and alien invaders. Princess Leia made jokes after her planet was destroyed and the rest of the galaxy was facing the same fate. Indiana Jones made jokes when the Nazis were getting away with the Ark. He also made jokes after seeing the power of God melt a bunch of Nazi's. John McLain made jokes while crawling through an air duct, bleeding, and trying to stop a gang of terrorists that were threatening to kill his wife. Martin Riggs imitated the 3 stooges while trying to take down 3 armed drug dealers. Riggs also made jokes while being tortured when he had no reason to believe that he was going to be rescued or survive.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 14, 2019 22:46:34 GMT
Well?
Did the game end, or not?
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Post by Vassaggo on May 14, 2019 23:30:37 GMT
But this is a fight for the fate of the multiverse the stakes couldnt be higher. Considering Starlord fucked up majorly when the Avengers tried to get the glove off Thanos on Titan, shouldnt Quill be extra focused to get the mission complete instead of goofing around making nutz jokes. No, because this is an action adventure superhero movie with time machines and alien invaders. Princess Leia made jokes after her planet was destroyed and the rest of the galaxy was facing the same fate. Indiana Jones made jokes when the Nazis were getting away with the Ark. He also made jokes after seeing the power of God melt a bunch of Nazi's. John McLain made jokes while crawling through an air duct, bleeding, and trying to stop a gang of terrorists that were threatening to kill his wife. Martin Riggs imitated the 3 stooges while trying to take down 3 armed drug dealers. Riggs also made jokes while being tortured when he had no reason to believe that he was going to be rescued or survive. Kevin Smith and Marc Benardin interviewed the writers Marcus and Mcfeeley for 2.5 hours on this weeks Smodcast. And they briefly touch on this. Their pov seems to be that in real life there are no tones. I don't know the direct quote but it was something to the effect of.. In your most depressed sad times people reflexively joke and it can't be the most happiest joyous time and people can be depressed. Edit: And I can see their point 8+ years ago I attempted suicide and survived. I was in a state run mental institution for 3 months during Christmas. A dire and depressive place and situation. I joked constantly and had all my fellow crazies and even the doctors laughing.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 15, 2019 2:27:22 GMT
why couldn’t they just have gone back to 2018, or right before 2018, and just remove one Infinity Stone? Then Thanos couldn’t have done the “snap” in 2018 because, as you said, it required all of them. Which would create an alternate timeline in which no one could have disappeared. It’s not a major deal, because then the rest of the plot wouldn’t have worked, of course, but it just came to mind: there are simpler ways to do this once you bring in time-travel. That's why I've said that Endgame is poorly written and makes no sense at all. Because why the fuck did they need to split into multiple teams of 2 or 3 and go to multiple time periods when they could've just gone to Knowhere right before they almost got the gauntlet off Thanos' hand until Starlord fucked that up? But this time, they all go to Knowhere, keep Starlord away from Thanos, then gang up on Thanos and take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand. Then Thanos can't snap his fingers and the problem is solved. The writing in Endgame was just really stupid and lazy and contrived and made no sense at all.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 15, 2019 2:27:47 GMT
Well? Did the game end, or not? Yes, but only after three hours and one minute. Monopoly takes forever…!
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Post by DC-Fan on May 15, 2019 2:29:50 GMT
I think I’ve asked this before, but the show about Cap’s girlfriend is good, right? Because I’d love to see that. Are you referring to the Agent Carter TV series? That was awful. Cancelled after just 18 episodes. Each episode was basically Peggy Carter as a damsel in distress, needing to be saved by Jarvis.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 15, 2019 2:30:12 GMT
Thank you.Right, but why couldn’t they just have gone back to 2018, or right before 2018, and just remove one Infinity Stone? Then Thanos couldn’t have done the “snap” in 2018 because, as you said, it required all of them. Which would create an alternate timeline in which no one could have disappeared. It’s not a major deal, because then the rest of the plot wouldn’t have worked, of course, but it just came to mind: there are simpler ways to do this once you bring in time-travel. The way they explained time travel is that changing the past doesn't change the future. Following your reasoning, it would have created an alternate 2018 in which everybody is alive, but it wouldn't have changed anything concerning the present timeline of 2023 as the snap had already happened. The Chiatauri were the bad guys (other than Loki) in The Avengers, right? OK, I just didn’t know they were still around. Were they in Infinity War? If so, I missed them/don’t remember them. Ditto with the Leviathans. Aside from the flashback scene in which they massacred half of Gamora's people, the Chitauri appeared as guards watching over Nebula when Thanos took Gamora into questioning for the location of the Soul Stone. Ah, is that how it works (re: time travel, that is)? It confused me when they were talking about that and affecting the future and that sort of thing… In fact, it still does. That’s what I meant by writing that the writers didn’t seem to know what was going on either (or maybe I just don’t), but I just went along with it anyway. Thanks for explaining about the Chitauri. I hoped I wasn’t forgetting something that big! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Nalkarj on May 15, 2019 2:30:50 GMT
I think I’ve asked this before, but the show about Cap’s girlfriend is good, right? Because I’d love to see that. Are you referring to the Agent Carter TV series? That was awful. Cancelled after just 18 episodes. Each episode was basically Peggy Carter as a damsel in distress, needing to be saved by Jarvis. That’s fine by me. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by DC-Fan on May 15, 2019 2:30:58 GMT
Solid observation about Thanos. It's true, the Thanos that had been built up the entire time was killed almost immediately. Very interesting choice. You can tell by contrast that he's wiser than his 2014 counterpart. I thought it was a mistake to have killed Thanos like they did so quickly in the beginning. I would have liked to seen a much longer fight scene or at least a real struggle between Thanos and the Avengers (especially Thor) in the beginning than the rather easy and rather quick death he got in the beginning of Endgame. How is it Thor got his ass beat by Kurse and Hela so badly but easily kills Thanos who is supposed to be stronger and smarter than these two??? Inconsistent writing as usual in MCU movies.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 3:54:11 GMT
Glad you you enjoyed it!
I feel like the time travel was a pleasant departure from the standard butterfly effect time travel rule that's been used over and over again. Also because this kind of time travel was used in Dragon Ball Z so I was somewhat familiar with the rules Endgame presented.
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Post by sostie on May 15, 2019 9:12:25 GMT
Solid observation about Thanos. It's true, the Thanos that had been built up the entire time was killed almost immediately. Very interesting choice. You can tell by contrast that he's wiser than his 2014 counterpart. How is it Thor got his ass beat by Kurse and Hela so badly but easily kills Thanos who is supposed to be stronger and smarter than these two???
Maybe because he was wielding a weapon that was built with the specific intention of killing Thanos. That Thanos was weak and injured I'm sure helped.
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