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Post by Stammerhead on May 20, 2019 15:18:00 GMT
Don’t worry about spoilers, I managed to avoid all internet talk until after I watched the last bit (even though I had to take a break halfway through and get my eyes tested). Good and bad last episode during which I rolled my eyes in disbelief and then wiped away a small tear quite a few times.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 17:50:15 GMT
Why didn't the Night King just lay siege? His forces don't need to eat. Or sleep. Let the defending army starve for awhile before attacking. Because he wanted to kill Bran. That was the entire reason he attacked Winterfell in the first place. I mean he's a magical creature we know little about. Trying to rationalize his decisions is a stretch. Far worse were the decisions the humans made, like having the Unsullied positioned outside the moat. I really don't have any problem with anything about this show's latter seasons TBH except The Bells which had a ton of really stupid little things in it. The reason the show became less fun for people at the end isn't because it stopped following the books (GRRM told HBO how it's supposed to end ages ago). The problem is because the first 5 seasons kept opening up new threads of intrigue, character arcs, and discovering new characters and locations. The endgame, by definition, is about warping up those threads and reducing the number of characters we're following. The end physically can not be the same show people grew to love. That's why it's the end. No concluding season could ever make people feel the way they did about the show before. Nobody says their vacation sucked because the flight home wasn't as fun as lying on a beach. The flight home was simply a necessary part of the trip. "Because he wanted to kill Bran. That was the entire reason he attacked Winterfell in the first place." Yes, and he's wanted to kill the Three Eye Crow for 1000s of years, he can wait 2 months. "I mean he's a magical creature we know little about. Trying to rationalize his decisions is a stretch." Except, he was once a man. And military decisions don't change as much because logic remains logic; totally surrounded is still bad. "I really don't have any problem with anything about this show's latter seasons TBH except The Bells which had a ton of really stupid little things in it. The reason the show became less fun for people at the end isn't because it stopped following the books (GRRM told HBO how it's supposed to end ages ago). The problem is because the first 5 seasons kept opening up new threads of intrigue, character arcs, and discovering new characters and locations. The endgame, by definition, is about warping up those threads and reducing the number of characters we're following. The end physically can not be the same show people grew to love. That's why it's the end. No concluding season could ever make people feel the way they did about the show before." And they did a shitty job ending those threads.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 17:52:48 GMT
Except, that was done when rulers would divide their kingdom among their children, but what we have in GoT is primogeniture, where the eldest/chosen heir gets it all. No, they changed that, remember? The people with all the power decided to do things differently for the 6 kingdoms. As far as Sansa being Queen of the North, you're going to have to elaborate on why that doesn't make sense, because it reality it makes all the sense in the world. She'd been de facto ruler already, she's the eldest Stark, and the oldest male Stark is the one who granted the whole thing in the first place. Sure if Bran wanted to he could claim that shit but we all know he wouldnt do that. No, they didn't, that was never done in any place in medieval times. So no, it makes no sense she didn't bend the knee.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 17:56:38 GMT
Not really, they were conquers but that also stopped a lot of infighting in Westros, and ultimately brought a lot of peace. It brought a family that ruled with terror and were often mentally ill from inbreeding, which brought the rebellion and all the war and death we saw the entire show. Now the three-eyed raven, a non-human entity, is in charge and things will be vastly better. It's sort of like a benevolent AI running things. So what, most medieval kings ruled with a mixture off terror and love. Even today, our own leaders use a mix of fear and love. Most dynasties don't last nearly 300 years, which means on the whole, the Targs were good rulers. As for Bran ruling, not so good. Much of our history was shaped in reaction to bad rulers, by having Bran, we lose that form of growth.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 17:59:21 GMT
Howe can I put it... It could have been worse. Not by much.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 18:50:01 GMT
No, they changed that, remember? The people with all the power decided to do things differently for the 6 kingdoms. As far as Sansa being Queen of the North, you're going to have to elaborate on why that doesn't make sense, because it reality it makes all the sense in the world. She'd been de facto ruler already, she's the eldest Stark, and the oldest male Stark is the one who granted the whole thing in the first place. Sure if Bran wanted to he could claim that shit but we all know he wouldnt do that. No, they didn't, that was never done in any place in medieval times. So no, it makes no sense she didn't bend the knee. Did you not see where Bran nodded his head giving the go ahead. Bran's not a human being. He's the three-eyed raven. And he's able to see the future so he knows in 50 years Sansa's fuck-up grandson King of the North will end up bending the knee anyways.
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 20, 2019 18:52:30 GMT
Just glad they offed, Dany. She was probably the show's dullest character.
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Post by petrolino on May 20, 2019 18:57:48 GMT
Unbearable soap opera. Hard to watch.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 19:29:10 GMT
Dreadful, rushed ending.
I wonder what GRRM thinks of it.
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Post by mr_self on May 20, 2019 20:32:45 GMT
Could have been better. Could have been worse. But this is the ending we deserved:
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Post by Rissa on May 20, 2019 20:35:03 GMT
Could have been better. Could have been worse. But this is the ending we deserved: What we really need is a prequel or spinoff featuring Drogo...
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Post by flash321 on May 20, 2019 21:14:40 GMT
I'm watching but I've missed so many episodes, I'm not in a position to really comment with authority. Random thoughts - Arya turned out to be a very interesting character. Daenerys was such an empowering female character, her concluding story line was disappointing. If she had to go mad, doing so in the penultimate episode was buzzkill. I wish she had gone mad at some point - believable given her father - but regained her wits and used her might for right. Cercei's death was anticlimactic. Didn't she deserve something dramatic? Well, I guess nothing was going to top the walk of shame. Tyrion was a consistently great character. Peter Dinklage is a wonderful actor. Tyrion became a Bran-aide, I'll show myself out.
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Post by deviates on May 20, 2019 21:21:48 GMT
King Bran the Boring, First to send me to sleep, Ruiner of the 8th season. When a Starbucks cup outshines you, you've got problems.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 20, 2019 21:24:38 GMT
King Bran the Boring, First to send me to sleep, Ruiner of the 8th season. When a Starbucks cup outshines you, you've got problems. what were you expecting a king to do? The best king is a boring one
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 21:30:34 GMT
Dreadful, rushed ending. I wonder what GRRM thinks of it. It's his ending. He told them how it ends years ago.
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Post by deviates on May 20, 2019 21:32:33 GMT
King Bran the Boring, First to send me to sleep, Ruiner of the 8th season. When a Starbucks cup outshines you, you've got problems. what were you expecting a king to do? The best king is a boring one I was expecting not to fight to stay awake during the episode. That Starbucks cup was the best bit of foreshadowing in season 8 - you're going to need a shit load of caffeine to make it through that last episode.
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Post by deviates on May 20, 2019 21:33:42 GMT
Dreadful, rushed ending. I wonder what GRRM thinks of it. It's his ending. He told them how it ends years ago. Do you reckon he said 'imagine an ending that would take an entire book to reach. Now do it in a chapter'?
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 21:34:06 GMT
King Bran the Boring, First to send me to sleep, Ruiner of the 8th season. When a Starbucks cup outshines you, you've got problems. what were you expecting a king to do? The best king is a boring one Wait 2 years, give 500 troops to the watch on the condition one member leave that watch and follow all orders, recognize Jon as the son of Lyna and Rheagar, restore his house to Dragonstone, and in the event there is no 3 eye raven to take the throne, have Jon's line take it.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 20, 2019 21:34:40 GMT
Dreadful, rushed ending. I wonder what GRRM thinks of it. It's his ending. He told them how it ends years ago. I doubt how much of that is true.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 21:36:26 GMT
King Bran the Boring, First to send me to sleep, Ruiner of the 8th season. When a Starbucks cup outshines you, you've got problems. I honestly find it hilarious how people are upset that their favorite character didn't get to be dictator of the world and are mad a boring character did. Game of Thrones is the title of the show, it's not an actual game. It's a drama. Not a sporting event, it's a story. Michael Phelps didn't just lose to some nobody. The last episode ended with extremely satisfying conclusions for each and every remaining character. And instead of some fan favorite winning the iron throne to rule another absolute monarchy, wage more wars, see more rebellions, and have evil heirs, they decided to do something completely different. They actually broke the wheel. I thought it was great.
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