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Post by amyghost on May 22, 2019 20:53:29 GMT
So in other words, Father/Son/Holy Ghost is an earthly physical compound, composed of distinct chemical properties? Funny, I don't recall the Trinity appearing anywhere on the periodic table of elements. No. I am only using the example of H2O to show how there can be Only One God in 3 Divine Persons. It should be obvious to you why that's a poor analogy.
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Post by goz on May 22, 2019 21:32:57 GMT
They are the same chemical composition butt are not the same. How can a son be his father? What actually IS the Holy Ghost, What differentiates it from the father and son who already you are alleging to be the same. it doesn't make any sense. You answered your own question, right in your very first sentence (regarding H2O). The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the Same Deity, but, Different Persons in that Deity. The Holy Ghost Is the Spirit Of God, Who Brings about Sanctification in His Creation, Why does an allegedly omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent deity need this? For that matter why did 'God' even need to have a 'son' in Jesus, and why and how can a son e be the father. I keep asking and you keep prevaricating about this. He allegedly MUST have been his sin as Mary was his mother. I repeat. A son cannot be his father and a father cannot be his son. No matter if you call them 'persons' (which implies a level of humanity which is in appropriate,) 'beings' element of whatever what is the need when God is allegedly omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent deity. I t doesn't make any sense at all.
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Post by clusium on May 22, 2019 22:35:40 GMT
You answered your own question, right in your very first sentence (regarding H2O). The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the Same Deity, but, Different Persons in that Deity. The Holy Ghost Is the Spirit Of God, Who Brings about Sanctification in His Creation, Why does an allegedly omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent deity need this? For that matter why did 'God' even need to have a 'son' in Jesus, and why and how can a son e be the father. I keep asking and you keep prevaricating about this. He allegedly MUST have been his sin as Mary was his mother. I repeat. A son cannot be his father and a father cannot be his son. No matter if you call them 'persons' (which implies a level of humanity which is in appropriate,) 'beings' element of whatever what is the need when God is allegedly omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent deity. I t doesn't make any sense at all. God Is Love. Love Creates, hence the Son Came from the Father. As you already noted God Is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Why? Because He Is God. That is also why He Is more than 1 Person in the Godhead. God Is a Wholly Different Entity than all of us, which is why He Can Be 3 Persons in His Godhead.
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Post by clusium on May 22, 2019 22:38:30 GMT
Yes they do. They believe that God Is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Mainline Protestants are: Anglicans (Episcopalians), Lutherans, Presbyterians, & Methodists. You're eliding my main point, which is that there is considerable difference on theological points between those sects who do accept the Trinity. If the truth of Jesus' nature is as obvious as many diehard Xtians like to contend, then there should be no reason for this. Of course, there should also be no need for four separate accounts of Jesus' life, either--another point the average Xtian seems to have no especially satisfactory answer for. You asked who mainline Protestants were, & I answered the question.
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Post by clusium on May 22, 2019 22:39:18 GMT
You answered your own question, right in your very first sentence (regarding H2O). The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the Same Deity, but, Different Persons in that Deity. The Holy Ghost Is the Spirit Of God, Who Brings about Sanctification in His Creation, Which leaves intact Goz's original question, to wit: how can three beings exist in one deity? Your answer to this thus far has been no answer at all. I have answered the question. She just won't accept the answer.
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Post by clusium on May 22, 2019 22:39:58 GMT
No. I am only using the example of H2O to show how there can be Only One God in 3 Divine Persons. It should be obvious to you why that's a poor analogy. It's not. It's a good analogy. Same with the example I used with time.
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Post by goz on May 22, 2019 22:57:38 GMT
Why does an allegedly omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent deity need this? For that matter why did 'God' even need to have a 'son' in Jesus, and why and how can a son e be the father. I keep asking and you keep prevaricating about this. He allegedly MUST have been his sin as Mary was his mother. I repeat. A son cannot be his father and a father cannot be his son. No matter if you call them 'persons' (which implies a level of humanity which is in appropriate,) 'beings' element of whatever what is the need when God is allegedly omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent deity. I t doesn't make any sense at all. God Is Love. Love Creates, hence the Son Came from the Father. As you already noted God Is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Why? Because He Is God. That is also why He Is more than 1 Person in the Godhead. God Is a Wholly Different Entity than all of us, which is why He Can Be 3 Persons in His Godhead. You realise that you just totally contradicted yourself and had to therefore come up with the argument ' he just is', and he can do whatever he wants. See my latest thread for WHY does God need all this paraphernalia?
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Post by clusium on May 22, 2019 23:20:26 GMT
You realise that you just totally contradicted yourself and had to therefore come up with the argument ' he just is', and he can do whatever he wants. See my latest thread for WHY does God need all this paraphernalia? How have I contradicted myself? What I stated in my previous post is my explanation. God Is Love. Love Creates.
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Post by goz on May 22, 2019 23:24:01 GMT
You realise that you just totally contradicted yourself and had to therefore come up with the argument ' he just is', and he can do whatever he wants. See my latest thread for WHY does God need all this paraphernalia? How have I contradicted myself? What I stated in my previous post is my explanation. God Is Love. Love Creates. Not that part ( though it is a little bit weird to think how and why God needed a son, having sex with Mary and creating himself again  ) The part I bolded.
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Post by clusium on May 22, 2019 23:42:46 GMT
How have I contradicted myself? What I stated in my previous post is my explanation. God Is Love. Love Creates. Not that part ( though it is a little bit weird to think how and why God needed a son, having sex with Mary and creating himself again ) The part I bolded. He Did not "Create" Himself again in the Womb of the Virgin Mary. He Existed PRIOR to His Incarnation in the Womb Of the Virgin Mary.
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Post by goz on May 23, 2019 3:24:32 GMT
Not that part ( though it is a little bit weird to think how and why God needed a son, having sex with Mary and creating himself again ) The part I bolded. He Did not "Create" Himself again in the Womb of the Virgin Mary. He Existed PRIOR to His Incarnation in the Womb Of the Virgin Mary. What? WHO didn't create himself in the womb, God or Jesus? I can't believe we are even having this ridiculous conversation. WHO existed prior? abbott-and-costello-whos-on-first.info/whos-on-first-script/
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Post by clusium on May 23, 2019 4:36:22 GMT
He Did not "Create" Himself again in the Womb of the Virgin Mary. He Existed PRIOR to His Incarnation in the Womb Of the Virgin Mary. What? WHO didn't create himself in the womb, God or Jesus? I can't believe we are even having this ridiculous conversation. WHO existed prior? abbott-and-costello-whos-on-first.info/whos-on-first-script/ Jesus IS God.
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Post by goz on May 23, 2019 6:06:35 GMT
How can he be his father when his father had sex (came upon) with Mary and she gave birth in a manger in Bethlehem? NOT possible. You don't plant yourself in some earthly woman's womb and then go on being BOTH YOU and the baby?!!!!?...oh and I haven't forgotten that other dude the Holy Ghosty Spirity thing, who goes around sanctifying ( whatever that means)!
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 23, 2019 10:50:37 GMT
Goz, your question & poll are a non-sequitur. As you are well aware, the Christian God Is a Trinity: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Therefore, for the Christian, there is no "believing one more than the other," in Christianity. Is that why it is so confused?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 23, 2019 10:53:29 GMT
What? So you are saying that Christianity is founded on a father/son hiatus with Jesus having a temper tantrum about having a bit of his dick cut off and prawn cocktails? Well, you know I'm gay so you know I know this stuff. Uncircumcised dicks smell and taste like rotten shellfish. There's some kosher justice there.  I thought that was pussy, not that I would know gamey.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 23, 2019 11:01:25 GMT
Nope nope. Explain how one of anything can be three. How can three people make up God, and what time has to do with this as God exists outside of human time...right? I already did explain, by citing the example of time. Here's another example: H20. It can be water (liquid); Gas (vapour); or solid (ice). It can be all and everything. Separating things, like non-existent beings and sky fairies is making your beliefs even more confused and wacky delusional.
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Post by clusium on May 23, 2019 13:26:47 GMT
How can he be his father when his father had sex (came upon) with Mary and she gave birth in a manger in Bethlehem? NOT possible. You don't plant yourself in some earthly woman's womb and then go on being BOTH YOU and the baby?!!!!?...oh and I haven't forgotten that other dude the Holy Ghosty Spirity thing, who goes around sanctifying ( whatever that means)! He Is God, but, not His Father. Read @nedkelly's & mslo79's earlier posts. You equate God with His Creation. God Is WHOLLY different than everything in the material universe, hence, He Is 3 Divine Persons, Existing In the One True God. God Is also everywhere, which means, He Is right in the very same room as you are, right now, and He Is right here in the very same room as I am, right now. That is not possible, for created beings, but, is for God, & likewise, He can Be 3 Divine Persons in the One Godhead.
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Post by gameboy on May 23, 2019 14:40:40 GMT
Well, you know I'm gay so you know I know this stuff. Uncircumcised dicks smell and taste like rotten shellfish. There's some kosher justice there. I thought that was pussy, not that I would know gamey. I should have added: Uncircumcised dicks smell and taste like rotten shellfish, not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 14:49:30 GMT
How did a thread on the Trinity end up being about knob cheese and fanny batter 🤷
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Post by amyghost on May 23, 2019 18:27:05 GMT
You're eliding my main point, which is that there is considerable difference on theological points between those sects who do accept the Trinity. If the truth of Jesus' nature is as obvious as many diehard Xtians like to contend, then there should be no reason for this. Of course, there should also be no need for four separate accounts of Jesus' life, either--another point the average Xtian seems to have no especially satisfactory answer for. You asked who mainline Protestants were, & I answered the question. No, you didn't, as I didn't ask you "who mainline protestants were". I suggested you'd do well to define that term more precisely, as there are substantial groups of protestants who don't accept the Trinity, in response to your assertion that they virtually all do. My question concerned the very real differences these various Xtian sects have regarding theological points concerning it. If the nature of Jesus is as plain as his followers assert, why should there be all these differing interpretations? You failed to answer or even address this, as I suspect you can't--as many Xtians can't--give a satisfactory response.
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