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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 27, 2019 17:14:48 GMT
To many, the evolution of Daenerys into a genocidal tyrant in Game Of Thrones' last season felt rushed. They failed to see it gradually build up a little each season. Daenerys' path to genocide has been steady from the moment she got power.
S1E10: Daenerys kills Mirri Maz Duur without a trial or even a sentence. "It is not your screams I want, only your life".
S2E04: "When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Turn us away and we will burn you first."
S3E04: "Slay the masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who holds a whip…" - As early, there is already no room for surrender.
S4E04, "I''ll answer injustice with justice", followed by a blanket crucifixion of random Masters without a trial.
S5E09: "One day your great city will return to the dirt as well … If it comes to that, they will have died for a good reason."
Daenerys is already showing how she sees the destruction of cities and their population as justifiable.
S6E04: "You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki. But I am. So I Will … You're not going to serve. You're going to die."
Daenerys then proceeds to kill all the Khals of the Dothraki people after provoking one of them into a rage for show. This is her first genocide and it was planned before any of that conversation took place. She had Jorah and Daario seal the temple in preparation.
S6E09: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt."
Her first impulse is to erase, not only the enemy, but its supporters and their cities, indiscriminately. Tyion has to restrain her with another plan.
S7E05: Daenerys takes no prisoners. She threatens to burn soldiers who fail to join her ranks and does burn the Tarlys.
S8E04: "But perhaps it's good the people see that Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed, and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down upon them."
The aggressor is making the victim look responsible. She is speaking of the people, not the soldiers, and already knows what she wants to do.
S8E05: "In Meereen, the slaves turned on the masters and liberated the city themselves the moment I arrived … Mercy is our strength. Our mercy towards future generations…"
Daenerys is disappointed with the people of King's Landing, so she decides to cleanse the present for better generations to replace it. Her "mercy" has become theoretical and reserved to those that are yet to come.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 27, 2019 17:20:59 GMT
Argh
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 28, 2019 8:59:42 GMT
Updated.
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Post by Winter_King on May 28, 2019 10:15:41 GMT
It's been said before but foreshadowing is not character development. Yes, Dany going mad was a possibility but the way it happened left much to be desired.
Hopefully Martin's books will do justice to this development but the way I see it, the Night King defeat and Dany's madness should've happened in two different seasons. Having the battle to end all battles happening two episodes before Dany descent was unbelievably rushed.
That's why stuff just seemed to happened without making sense. Like characters forgetting invisible fleets that come out of nowhere.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 28, 2019 10:59:03 GMT
It's been said before but foreshadowing is not character development. Yes, Dany going mad was a possibility but the way it happened left much to be desired. Fools like to repeat "wisdoms" they like without understanding them. This video was made by one more of them and it's very much crap. What I list is not foreshadowing. It is character development as we see Daenerys gradually evolve from guessing she "is the dragon" to truly being one, climbing one step at a time, getting closer with each season. Dumb little shits didn't see it and are all butthurt for it. Fans of the fat sack of shit will get the same ending drivel, by the way.
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Post by Winter_King on May 28, 2019 11:17:03 GMT
It's been said before but foreshadowing is not character development. Yes, Dany going mad was a possibility but the way it happened left much to be desired. Martin's books will do justice to this development but the way I see it, the Night King defeat and Dany's madness should've happened in two different seasons. Having the battle to end all battles happening two episodes before Dany descent was unbelievably rushed. That's why stuff just seemed to happened without making sense. Like characters forgetting invisible fleets that come out of nowhere. Fools like to repeat "wisdoms" they like without understanding them. This video was made by one more of them and it's very much crap. What I list is not foreshadowing. It is character development as we see Daenerys gradually evolve from guessing she "is the dragon" to truly being one, climbing one step at a time, getting closer with each season. Dumb little shits didn't see it and are all butthurt for it. Fans of the fat sack of shit will get the same ending drivel, by the way. If your list is enough character development, I could easily make a similar list of Dany just being kind and merciful and use it to declare that Dany acted out of character in The Bells to make a point about the rushed development. Dany said all those things you've mentioned in the past. But she also showed mercy on several occasions and made a point of not coming to Westeros to become Queen of the Ashes. And this didn't happened during season 3 or 4 but pretty recently. FFS she locked up her dragons because they had killed a child. She gave the order to spare the civilians when she sacked Astapor This is the woman that put her quest to sit on the Iron Throne on hold in order to help Westeros defeat the Night King and was willing to make a truce with Cersei. Going from trying to help everyone to kill more innocent people just so she could sit on the Iron Throne in a span of three episodes was poorly done in my view. The best evidence for this is how the writers explained how the success of Euron's attack on Dany with simply "Dany kind forgot about the Iron Fleet". I'm confident that we will get the same ending with Dany going mad in the books. The difference is that when it happens, it will actually make sense.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 28, 2019 11:23:53 GMT
Hopefully Martin's books will do justice to this development but the way I see it, the Night King defeat and Dany's madness should've happened in two different seasons. Having the battle to end all battles happening two episodes before Dany descent was unbelievably rushed. There is no doubt that a longer story would have been richer. Yes, people feel cheated and deprived of more good entertainment, and I want to agree with them on this. And of course, the whole logic went out the window but that happened at the end of S5 and never stopped. Those who started crying about it two episodes ago show how much they understood of it. Still, countless little idiots show they thought Daenerys was just fine until the battle of Winterfell when I knew she wasn't by the middle of S5 at the latest. And it was not a "descent into madness", as apologetic little shits would like to see it, but the logical hardening of character traits along 8 seasons. Yes, it could have gone differently. Season 5 was the pivotal moment, and the most interesting for the character. This is when she was trying to learn, to compose, to be more of a politician. The backlash after Mossador's execution, the death of Barristan Selmy and the attack in Daznak Pit pushed her away from this, never to return. She resolved to "be a dragon" instead and murdered a whole class of people in cold blood in Vaes Dothrak. That's when anyone with a brain knew she was gone. What happened after S8E3 is that the dragon was let out of the cage, with Jorah gone as well as the soothing adulation of her surrounding.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 28, 2019 11:33:52 GMT
Fools like to repeat "wisdoms" they like without understanding them. This video was made by one more of them and it's very much crap. What I list is not foreshadowing. It is character development as we see Daenerys gradually evolve from guessing she "is the dragon" to truly being one, climbing one step at a time, getting closer with each season. Dumb little shits didn't see it and are all butthurt for it. Fans of the fat sack of shit will get the same ending drivel, by the way. If your list is enough character development, I could easily make a similar list of Dany just being kind and merciful and use it to declare that Dany acted out of character in The Bells to make a point about the rushed development. Dany said all those things you've mentioned in the past. But she also showed mercy on several occasions and made a point of not coming to Westeros to become Queen of the Ashes. And this didn't happened during season 3 or 4 but pretty recently. FFS she locked up her dragons because they had killed a child. She gave the order to spare the civilians when she sacked Astapor This is the woman that put her quest to sit on the Iron Throne on hold in order to help Westeros defeat the Night King and was willing to make a truce with Cersei. Going from trying to help everyone to kill more innocent people just so she could sit on the Iron Throne in a span of three episodes was poorly done in my view. The best evidence for this is how the writers explained how the success of Euron's attack on Dany with simply "Dany kind forgot about the Iron Fleet". I'm confident that we will get the same ending with Dany going mad in the books. The difference is that when it happens, it will actually make sense. She showed more mercy in earlier seasons and kept growing worse. This is proving my point and she didn't come up herself with "not being queen of the ashes", she merely parroted Varys or Tyrion in that episode. We saw her putting more and more distance between herself and her advisers in a gradual way too. Her evolution made perfect sense and was not rushed in the show (I won't dispute that other things were - many other things). Daenerys always had to be restrained by others. It started early. Her letting loose when the restraints fell was fully in character. Only danidiots would claim otherwise. The show gave us a perfect detector for people we need to keep out of or lives.
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Post by Winter_King on May 28, 2019 12:39:01 GMT
Hopefully Martin's books will do justice to this development but the way I see it, the Night King defeat and Dany's madness should've happened in two different seasons. Having the battle to end all battles happening two episodes before Dany descent was unbelievably rushed. Yes, people feel cheated and deprived of more good entertainment, and I want to agree with them on this. And of course, the whole logic went out the window but that happened at the end of S5 and never stopped. Those who started crying about it two episodes ago show how much they understood of it. Still, countless little idiots show they thought Daenerys was just fine until the battle of Winterfell when I knew she wasn't by the middle of S5 at the latest. And it was not a "descent into madness", as apologetic little shits would like to see it, but the logical hardening of character traits along 8 seasons. Yes, it could have gone differently. Season 5 was the pivotal moment, and the most interesting for the character. This is when she was trying to learn, to compose, to be more of a politician. The backlash after Mossador's execution, the death of Barristan Selmy and the attack in Daznak Pit pushed her away from this, never to return. She resolved to "be a dragon" instead and murdered a whole class of people in cold blood in Vaes Dothrak. That's when anyone with a brain knew she was gone. What happened after S8E3 is that the dragon was let out of the cage, with Jorah gone as well as the soothing adulation of her surrounding. That was my point. They should've dealt with the Night King in one season and have Dany's descent into madness in another. They had at least two seasons worth of material for what was depicted in season 8. I can't think of a better image to describe what happened to the tv show: 
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 30, 2019 6:31:50 GMT
To many, the evolution of Daenerys into a genocidal tyrant in Game Of Thrones' last season felt rushed. They failed to see it gradually build up a little each season. Daenerys' path to genocide has been steady from the moment she got power.
S1E10: Daenerys kills Mirri Maz Duur without a trial or even a sentence. "It is not your screams I want, only your life". S2E04: "When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Turn us away and we will burn you first." S3E04: " Slay the masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who holds a whip…" - As early, there is already no room for surrender. S4E04, "I''ll answer injustice with justice", followed by a blanket crucifixion of random Masters without a trial. S5E09: "One day your great city will return to the dirt as well … If it comes to that, they will have died for a good reason." Daenerys is already showing how she sees the destruction of cities and their population as justifiable. S6E04: "You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki. But I am. So I Will … You're not going to serve. You're going to die." Daenerys then proceeds to kill all the Khals of the Dothraki people after provoking one of them into a rage for show. This is her first genocide and it was planned before any of that conversation took place. She had Jorah and Daario seal the temple in preparation. S6E09: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt." Her first impulse is to erase, not only the enemy, but its supporters and their cities, indiscriminately. Tyion has to restrain her with another plan. S7E05: Daenerys takes no prisoners. She threatens to burn soldiers who fail to join her ranks and does burn the Tarlys. S8E04: "But perhaps it's good the people see that Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed, and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down upon them." The aggressor is making the victim look responsible. She is speaking of the people, not the soldiers, and already knows what she wants to do. S8E05: "In Meereen, the slaves turned on the masters and liberated the city themselves the moment I arrived … Mercy is our strength. Our mercy towards future generations…" Daenerys is disappointed with the people of King's Landing, so she decides to cleanse the present for better generations to replace it. Her "mercy" has become theoretical and reserved to those that are yet to come. "S1E10: Daenerys kills Mirri Maz Duur without a trial or even a sentence. "It is not your screams I want, only your life"." She freely confessed her guilt. ""When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Turn us away and we will burn you first."" A bluff to get into the city, and not die along with all her followers. "S3E04: "Slay the masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who holds a whip…" - As early, there is already no room for surrender." Slavers who cut off body parts, brainwash children, have children slaughter babies as training process, etc. I consider them institutionally evil. ""I''ll answer injustice with justice", followed by a blanket crucifixion of random Masters without a trial." All were involved or prospered from battle gladiators who fought to the death for the amusement of others. Again, I consider them institutionally evil. "S5E09: "One day your great city will return to the dirt as well … If it comes to that, they will have died for a good reason." Daenerys is already showing how she sees the destruction of cities and their population as justifiable." Again, supporters of gladiators. "S6E04: "You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki. But I am. So I Will … You're not going to serve. You're going to die." Daenerys then proceeds to kill all the Khals of the Dothraki people after provoking one of them into a rage for show. This is her first genocide and it was planned before any of that conversation took place. She had Jorah and Daario seal the temple in preparation." Killing 9 people is genocide? Are you some god damn snowflake? Dothraki like to rape and take slaves, especially their leaders. "S6E09: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt." Her first impulse is to erase, not only the enemy, but its supporters and their cities, indiscriminately. Tyion has to restrain her with another plan." You first semi decent example. Congrats. "S7E05: Daenerys takes no prisoners. She threatens to burn soldiers who fail to join her ranks and does burn the Tarlys." And after burning those 2 fools, everyone else bent the knee. Don't forget, she offered them to take the black, but Tarly refused. "S8E04: "But perhaps it's good the people see that Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed, and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down upon them." The aggressor is making the victim look responsible. She is speaking of the people, not the soldiers, and already knows what she wants to do. " Except, Cersei isn't innocent, and has supported Dani's assassination in the early parts of the show. S8E05: "In Meereen, the slaves turned on the masters and liberated the city themselves the moment I arrived … Mercy is our strength. Our mercy towards future generations…" Daenerys is disappointed with the people of King's Landing, so she decides to cleanse the present for better generations to replace it. Her "mercy" has become theoretical and reserved to those that are yet to come. " Taken from the height of the terrible writing.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 30, 2019 18:43:10 GMT
To many, the evolution of Daenerys into a genocidal tyrant in Game Of Thrones' last season felt rushed. They failed to see it gradually build up a little each season. Daenerys' path to genocide has been steady from the moment she got power.
S1E10: Daenerys kills Mirri Maz Duur without a trial or even a sentence. "It is not your screams I want, only your life". S2E04: "When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Turn us away and we will burn you first." S3E04: " Slay the masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who holds a whip…" - As early, there is already no room for surrender. S4E04, "I''ll answer injustice with justice", followed by a blanket crucifixion of random Masters without a trial. S5E09: "One day your great city will return to the dirt as well … If it comes to that, they will have died for a good reason." Daenerys is already showing how she sees the destruction of cities and their population as justifiable. S6E04: "You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki. But I am. So I Will … You're not going to serve. You're going to die." Daenerys then proceeds to kill all the Khals of the Dothraki people after provoking one of them into a rage for show. This is her first genocide and it was planned before any of that conversation took place. She had Jorah and Daario seal the temple in preparation. S6E09: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt." Her first impulse is to erase, not only the enemy, but its supporters and their cities, indiscriminately. Tyion has to restrain her with another plan. S7E05: Daenerys takes no prisoners. She threatens to burn soldiers who fail to join her ranks and does burn the Tarlys. S8E04: "But perhaps it's good the people see that Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed, and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down upon them." The aggressor is making the victim look responsible. She is speaking of the people, not the soldiers, and already knows what she wants to do. S8E05: "In Meereen, the slaves turned on the masters and liberated the city themselves the moment I arrived … Mercy is our strength. Our mercy towards future generations…" Daenerys is disappointed with the people of King's Landing, so she decides to cleanse the present for better generations to replace it. Her "mercy" has become theoretical and reserved to those that are yet to come. "S1E10: Daenerys kills Mirri Maz Duur without a trial or even a sentence. "It is not your screams I want, only your life"." She freely confessed her guilt. ""When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Turn us away and we will burn you first."" A bluff to get into the city, and not die along with all her followers. "S3E04: "Slay the masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who holds a whip…" - As early, there is already no room for surrender." Slavers who cut off body parts, brainwash children, have children slaughter babies as training process, etc. I consider them institutionally evil. ""I''ll answer injustice with justice", followed by a blanket crucifixion of random Masters without a trial." All were involved or prospered from battle gladiators who fought to the death for the amusement of others. Again, I consider them institutionally evil. "S5E09: "One day your great city will return to the dirt as well … If it comes to that, they will have died for a good reason." Daenerys is already showing how she sees the destruction of cities and their population as justifiable." Again, supporters of gladiators. "S6E04: "You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki. But I am. So I Will … You're not going to serve. You're going to die." Daenerys then proceeds to kill all the Khals of the Dothraki people after provoking one of them into a rage for show. This is her first genocide and it was planned before any of that conversation took place. She had Jorah and Daario seal the temple in preparation." Killing 9 people is genocide? Are you some god damn snowflake? Dothraki like to rape and take slaves, especially their leaders. "S6E09: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt." Her first impulse is to erase, not only the enemy, but its supporters and their cities, indiscriminately. Tyion has to restrain her with another plan." You first semi decent example. Congrats. "S7E05: Daenerys takes no prisoners. She threatens to burn soldiers who fail to join her ranks and does burn the Tarlys." And after burning those 2 fools, everyone else bent the knee. Don't forget, she offered them to take the black, but Tarly refused. "S8E04: "But perhaps it's good the people see that Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed, and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down upon them." The aggressor is making the victim look responsible. She is speaking of the people, not the soldiers, and already knows what she wants to do. " Except, Cersei isn't innocent, and has supported Dani's assassination in the early parts of the show. S8E05: "In Meereen, the slaves turned on the masters and liberated the city themselves the moment I arrived … Mercy is our strength. Our mercy towards future generations…" Daenerys is disappointed with the people of King's Landing, so she decides to cleanse the present for better generations to replace it. Her "mercy" has become theoretical and reserved to those that are yet to come. " Taken from the height of the terrible writing. Mirri Maz Duur was slaved and raped by the drothraki so dont expect me to feel sorry for her having anything to do with khals drogo death in fact she did try to help him with magic which dany messed up when she walked in that tent and Mirri Maz Duur did call her mad while they were in there something not covered on the show , makes you wonder why ? given what dany did , looking back now cersei or robert had the right idea to extinguish her you may not like cersei you have every right not to but under her reign KL wouldn't be burned to ashes and thousand of innocents wouldnt be killed and in the end of it all cersei showed a more human emotional side when she realized she was going to die she wanted to live not for her or jamie but her child something dany never cared for ,she burned little children and her response was one of a tyrant blaming cersei to have used their innocence against her as weapons ,she claimed her dragons were like her children but yet doesnt bat an eye when she learned one of them was a zombie dragon,yes the writing was bad but so is daenrys it really doesnt matter who writes for her she will still end up the same way .
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on May 30, 2019 19:03:54 GMT
"S1E10: Daenerys kills Mirri Maz Duur without a trial or even a sentence. "It is not your screams I want, only your life"." She freely confessed her guilt. ""When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Turn us away and we will burn you first."" A bluff to get into the city, and not die along with all her followers. "S3E04: "Slay the masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who holds a whip…" - As early, there is already no room for surrender." Slavers who cut off body parts, brainwash children, have children slaughter babies as training process, etc. I consider them institutionally evil. ""I''ll answer injustice with justice", followed by a blanket crucifixion of random Masters without a trial." All were involved or prospered from battle gladiators who fought to the death for the amusement of others. Again, I consider them institutionally evil. "S5E09: "One day your great city will return to the dirt as well … If it comes to that, they will have died for a good reason." Daenerys is already showing how she sees the destruction of cities and their population as justifiable." Again, supporters of gladiators. "S6E04: "You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki. But I am. So I Will … You're not going to serve. You're going to die." Daenerys then proceeds to kill all the Khals of the Dothraki people after provoking one of them into a rage for show. This is her first genocide and it was planned before any of that conversation took place. She had Jorah and Daario seal the temple in preparation." Killing 9 people is genocide? Are you some god damn snowflake? Dothraki like to rape and take slaves, especially their leaders. "S6E09: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt." Her first impulse is to erase, not only the enemy, but its supporters and their cities, indiscriminately. Tyion has to restrain her with another plan." You first semi decent example. Congrats. "S7E05: Daenerys takes no prisoners. She threatens to burn soldiers who fail to join her ranks and does burn the Tarlys." And after burning those 2 fools, everyone else bent the knee. Don't forget, she offered them to take the black, but Tarly refused. "S8E04: "But perhaps it's good the people see that Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed, and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down upon them." The aggressor is making the victim look responsible. She is speaking of the people, not the soldiers, and already knows what she wants to do. " Except, Cersei isn't innocent, and has supported Dani's assassination in the early parts of the show. S8E05: "In Meereen, the slaves turned on the masters and liberated the city themselves the moment I arrived … Mercy is our strength. Our mercy towards future generations…" Daenerys is disappointed with the people of King's Landing, so she decides to cleanse the present for better generations to replace it. Her "mercy" has become theoretical and reserved to those that are yet to come. " Taken from the height of the terrible writing. Mirri Maz Duur was slaved and raped by the drothraki so dont expect me to feel sorry for her having anything to do with khals drogo death in fact she did try to help him with magic which dany messed up when she walked in that tent and Mirri Maz Duur did call her mad while they were in there something not covered on the show , makes you wonder why ? given what dany did , looking back now cersei or robert had the right idea to extinguish her you may not like cersei you have every right not to but under her reign KL wouldn't be burned to ashes and thousand of innocents wouldnt be killed and in the end of it all cersei showed a more human emotional side when she realized she was going to die she wanted to live not for her or jamie but her child something dany never cared for ,she burned little children and her response was one of a tyrant blaming cersei to have used their innocence against her as weapons ,she claimed her dragons were like her children but yet doesnt bat an eye when she learned one of them was a zombie dragon,yes the writing was bad but so is daenrys it really doesnt matter who writes for her she will still end up the same way . "Mirri Maz Duur was slaved and raped by the drothraki so dont expect me to feel sorry for her having anything to do with khals drogo death in fact she did try to help him with magic which dany messed up when she walked in that tent and Mirri Maz Duur did call her mad while they were in there something not covered on the show , makes you wonder why ? " Mirri Maz had plenty of good reason to do what she did but at the same time, she is guilty as well. "given what dany did , looking back now cersei or robert had the right idea to extinguish her " Only when you loo9k at the badly written portions of the show. "you may not like cersei you have every right not to but under her reign KL wouldn't be burned to ashes and thousand of innocents wouldnt be killed and in the end of it all cersei showed a more human emotional side when she realized she was going to die she wanted to live not for her or jamie" When you need bad writing to make your case, you don't have a case.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jun 1, 2019 19:44:48 GMT
Mirri Maz Duur was slaved and raped by the drothraki so dont expect me to feel sorry for her having anything to do with khals drogo death in fact she did try to help him with magic which dany messed up when she walked in that tent and Mirri Maz Duur did call her mad while they were in there something not covered on the show , makes you wonder why ? given what dany did , looking back now cersei or robert had the right idea to extinguish her you may not like cersei you have every right not to but under her reign KL wouldn't be burned to ashes and thousand of innocents wouldnt be killed and in the end of it all cersei showed a more human emotional side when she realized she was going to die she wanted to live not for her or jamie but her child something dany never cared for ,she burned little children and her response was one of a tyrant blaming cersei to have used their innocence against her as weapons ,she claimed her dragons were like her children but yet doesnt bat an eye when she learned one of them was a zombie dragon,yes the writing was bad but so is daenrys it really doesnt matter who writes for her she will still end up the same way . "Mirri Maz Duur was slaved and raped by the drothraki so dont expect me to feel sorry for her having anything to do with khals drogo death in fact she did try to help him with magic which dany messed up when she walked in that tent and Mirri Maz Duur did call her mad while they were in there something not covered on the show , makes you wonder why ? " Mirri Maz had plenty of good reason to do what she did but at the same time, she is guilty as well. "given what dany did , looking back now cersei or robert had the right idea to extinguish her " Only when you loo9k at the badly written portions of the show. "you may not like cersei you have every right not to but under her reign KL wouldn't be burned to ashes and thousand of innocents wouldnt be killed and in the end of it all cersei showed a more human emotional side when she realized she was going to die she wanted to live not for her or jamie" When you need bad writing to make your case, you don't have a case. it may have been written bad but it still doesnt change what daneyrys fate will be or was ,she will do all those evil things if some of you dany fans need 20 seasons to be convinced so be it but it wont change the end ,it wont change dany slaughtering KL GRRM already confirmed books end the same with maybe a few changes and more dialogue but jon will kill dany and dany will die , it seems the biggest excuse dany fans have right now is that her transition was not long enough to be believable even though dany has been shouting every season she will burn cities to the ground and take what is hers with fire and blood, why is it little me figured out since season 1 she would turn out exactly like her father?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 2, 2019 6:14:44 GMT
it seems the biggest excuse dany fans have right now is that her transition was not long enough to be believable even though dany has been shouting every season she will burn cities to the ground and take what is hers with fire and blood, why is it little me figured out since season 1 she would turn out exactly like her father? There is no excuse for danidiots not to understand things. That's the whole problem with them. It could hardly be made right. "Hey guys, I hard a new Daenerys joke" "Well, hang on. I'm a Dany fan, you know". "Oh, that's fine, I can tell it real slow"
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 2, 2019 8:06:08 GMT
why is it little me figured out since season 1 she would turn out exactly like her father? There were clear hints that Daenerys would not be just a benevolent saviour but that did not make her like her father, who was said to have been a paranoid sadist taking pleasure in seeing people burn. Jaime, S1E03: "500 men and this room was silent as a crypt. Except for the screams, of course, and the Mad King laughing." Daenerys did not go mad, not this way, she became worse. What she did was not in self-defence against some perceived threat to her rule. There was never much fear in her behaviour. She passed a judgement on people, easily and always in broad strokes, sentencing groups rather than individuals. The Mad King, at the very end, decided to blow up a whole city, destroying his enemy together with the people he was meant to protect, and had failed to by giving reasonable cause to rebellion, but that's an aside. He was committing a grand lose-lose suicide, possibly deluded, as Jaime told, about surviving it. Daenerys was different, always active, an aggressor to the world she wanted to bend to her "progressive" view at the cost of deeming those who disagreed unworthy of being part of it: "Mercy is our strength. Our mercy towards future generations." This is way beyond reactive, paranoid madness. This is why I never call Daenerys mad, nor will I show any form of respect to anyone who defends her. They are the enemy.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on Jun 2, 2019 17:17:35 GMT
"Mirri Maz Duur was slaved and raped by the drothraki so dont expect me to feel sorry for her having anything to do with khals drogo death in fact she did try to help him with magic which dany messed up when she walked in that tent and Mirri Maz Duur did call her mad while they were in there something not covered on the show , makes you wonder why ? " Mirri Maz had plenty of good reason to do what she did but at the same time, she is guilty as well. "given what dany did , looking back now cersei or robert had the right idea to extinguish her " Only when you loo9k at the badly written portions of the show. "you may not like cersei you have every right not to but under her reign KL wouldn't be burned to ashes and thousand of innocents wouldnt be killed and in the end of it all cersei showed a more human emotional side when she realized she was going to die she wanted to live not for her or jamie" When you need bad writing to make your case, you don't have a case. it may have been written bad but it still doesnt change what daneyrys fate will be or was ,she will do all those evil things if some of you dany fans need 20 seasons to be convinced so be it but it wont change the end ,it wont change dany slaughtering KL GRRM already confirmed books end the same with maybe a few changes and more dialogue but jon will kill dany and dany will die , it seems the biggest excuse dany fans have right now is that her transition was not long enough to be believable even though dany has been shouting every season she will burn cities to the ground and take what is hers with fire and blood, why is it little me figured out since season 1 she would turn out exactly like her father? Silly me, for expecting a well written version. BTW, I would have been fine had Cersie won and killed the rest of the cast because that would be logical and even well written.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on Jun 2, 2019 17:19:33 GMT
why is it little me figured out since season 1 she would turn out exactly like her father? There were clear hints that Daenerys would not be just a benevolent saviour but that did not make her like her father, who was said to have been a paranoid sadist taking pleasure in seeing people burn. Jaime, S1E03: "500 men and this room was silent as a crypt. Except for the screams, of course, and the Mad King laughing." Daenerys did not go mad, not this way, she became worse. What she did was not in self-defence against some perceived threat to her rule. There was never much fear in her behaviour. She passed a judgement on people, easily and always in broad strokes, sentencing groups rather than individuals. The Mad King, at the very end, decided to blow up a whole city, destroying his enemy together with the people he was meant to protect, and had failed to by giving reasonable cause to rebellion, but that's an aside. He was committing a grand lose-lose suicide, possibly deluded, as Jaime told, about surviving it. Daenerys was different, always active, an aggressor to the world she wanted to bend to her "progressive" view at the cost of deeming those who disagreed unworthy of being part of it: "Mercy is our strength. Our mercy towards future generations." This is way beyond reactive, paranoid madness. This is why I never call Daenerys mad, nor will I show any form of respect to anyone who defends her. They are the enemy. "This is why I never call Daenerys mad, nor will I show any form of respect to anyone who defends her. They are the enemy." It is fucking fiction and you are going to call them 'enemies.' We aren't talking religion, dumb kitty-cat.
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