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Post by movieliker on May 30, 2019 13:20:01 GMT
There are a lot of things to complain about and ridicule here. But most notably, the Bran storyline. He goes on a 6 season odyssey for what? What did he learn? What did he accomplish? What did he become? He was basically the same person after his 6 season quest that he was before. Just a little older. He did nothing in seasons 7 or 8 that would justify going up north to begin with. What a waste.
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Post by Winter_King on May 30, 2019 13:27:33 GMT
Dafuq? Did you miss the part where Arya single handedly avenged the Red Wedding and killed the Night King? I'd argue that was instrumental in driving Dany to madness but I have my objections to how rushed the whole thing was. He almost died defending the Stark home with half of Ned Stark sword. I wasn't particularly thrilled with him returning to Cersei but like Jaime said in this season, he had no regrets about what he had done. In fact he said he'd do it again all over. But like a true knight he was willing to die to protect everyone else. By allying herself with Euron she ended up being responsible for the death of a dragon and Missandei. It pushed Dany to the brink. They were a threat and they were defeated... You wanted them to win? Considering he didn't want to be king, I'd argue he didn't win. In fact the whole idea was about breaking the need of having to play the game. It wasn't all for nothing. It just wasn't just the way you wanted. I have my share of problems with the final season but the writers weren't under any obligation of delivering the ending you wanted. With all due respect, this just seems like you are going out of your way to defend something that was just --- terrible. Actually my point was that there is plenty of valid criticism when it comes to this final season but there is a difference in criticizing something and being wrong IMO. Saying that all the training that Arya got as Faceless Man was for nothing means one has to ignore all the deeds Arya was able to accomplish due to her Assassin training. The extinction of House Frey and killing the Night's King weren't small things.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 30, 2019 13:37:29 GMT
There are a lot of things to complain about and ridicule here. But most notably, the Bran storyline. He goes on a 6 season odyssey for what? What did he learn? What did he accomplish? What did he become? He was basically the same person after his 6 season quest that he was before. Just a little older. He did nothing in seasons 7 or 8 that would justify going up north to begin with. What a waste. lol More proof you didn’t watch the show
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Post by movieliker on May 30, 2019 14:04:49 GMT
With all due respect, this just seems like you are going out of your way to defend something that was just --- terrible. Actually my point was that there is plenty of valid criticism when it comes to this final season but there is a difference in criticizing something and being wrong IMO. Saying that all the training that Arya got as Faceless Man was for nothing means one has to ignore all the deeds Arya was able to accomplish due to her Assassin training. The extinction of House Frey and killing the Night's King weren't small things. None of the skills she supposedly learned were used. For example, if she instead of leaping and screaming to kill the Night King, she turned out to be one of the Night King's soldiers closing in on Bran. If instead of walking into the Red Keep with the Hound, she turned out to be Qyburn and killed Cersie. Or just used her faceless man training to sneak into the Red Keep. All of that would be more of a payoff than what her character did or didn't do. All that faceless man training was about as pointless as Bran's odyssey up north. Essentially all for nothing.
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Post by movieliker on May 30, 2019 14:18:24 GMT
There are a lot of things to complain about and ridicule here. But most notably, the Bran storyline. He goes on a 6 season odyssey for what? What did he learn? What did he accomplish? What did he become? He was basically the same person after his 6 season quest that he was before. Just a little older. He did nothing in seasons 7 or 8 that would justify going up north to begin with. What a waste. lol More proof you didn’t watch the show No Cool. You know I am correct. You just have a compulsion to disagree.
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Post by Winter_King on May 30, 2019 14:19:55 GMT
Actually my point was that there is plenty of valid criticism when it comes to this final season but there is a difference in criticizing something and being wrong IMO. Saying that all the training that Arya got as Faceless Man was for nothing means one has to ignore all the deeds Arya was able to accomplish due to her Assassin training. The extinction of House Frey and killing the Night's King weren't small things. None of the skills she supposedly learned were used. For example, if she instead of leaping and screaming to kill the Night King, she turned out to be one of the Night King's soldiers closing in on Bran. If instead of walking into the Red Keep with the Hound, she turned out to be Qyburn and killed Cersie. Or just used her faceless man trading to sneak into the Red Keep. All of that would be more of a payoff than what her character did or didn't do. All that faceless man training was about as pointless as Bran's odyssey up north. Essentially all for nothing. So did you miss the part where she used the skills she had learned to eliminate House Frey? And she did learn to move without being noticed... The same exact skill that allowed her to kill the Night's King and save Westeros. So it's the exact opposite of being for nothing. If it wasn't for her training, the Night's King and the White Walkers would've won. So one could say that her training was actually the most important thing in the entire show.
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Post by movieliker on May 30, 2019 14:38:02 GMT
None of the skills she supposedly learned were used. For example, if she instead of leaping and screaming to kill the Night King, she turned out to be one of the Night King's soldiers closing in on Bran. If instead of walking into the Red Keep with the Hound, she turned out to be Qyburn and killed Cersie. Or just used her faceless man trading to sneak into the Red Keep. All of that would be more of a payoff than what her character did or didn't do. All that faceless man training was about as pointless as Bran's odyssey up north. Essentially all for nothing. So did you miss the part where she used the skills she had learned to eliminate House Frey? And she did learn to move without being noticed... The same exact skill that allowed her to kill the Night's King and save Westeros. So it's the exact opposite of being for nothing. If it wasn't for her training, the Night's King and the White Walkers would've won. So one could say that her training was actually the most important thing in the entire show. There was way too much time and energy spent on Bran and Arya's training and preparation. In the end it amounted to essentially nothing. Yeah, maybe something here and there. But nothing enough to justify all the time and energy building them up. Season 8 was disappointing because --- consistent with this Bran and Arya discussion --- they spent 7 seasons building up all these storylines, just to grossly disappoint most viewers with little or no payoff.
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Post by Winter_King on May 30, 2019 14:40:56 GMT
So did you miss the part where she used the skills she had learned to eliminate House Frey? And she did learn to move without being noticed... The same exact skill that allowed her to kill the Night's King and save Westeros. So it's the exact opposite of being for nothing. If it wasn't for her training, the Night's King and the White Walkers would've won. So one could say that her training was actually the most important thing in the entire show. There was way too much time and energy spent on Bran and Arya's training and preparation. In the end it amounted to essentially nothing. Yeah, maybe something here and there. But nothing enough to justify all the time and energy building them up. Season 8 was disappointing because --- consistent with this Bran and Arya discussion --- they spent 7 seasons building up all these storylines, just to grossly disappoint most viewers with little or no payoff. Ok you and I have vastly different views on what "nothing" means. She basically saved Westeros and avenged the Red Wedding. If anything she did more than any other character in the show.
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Post by movieliker on May 30, 2019 14:51:11 GMT
There was way too much time and energy spent on Bran and Arya's training and preparation. In the end it amounted to essentially nothing. Yeah, maybe something here and there. But nothing enough to justify all the time and energy building them up. Season 8 was disappointing because --- consistent with this Bran and Arya discussion --- they spent 7 seasons building up all these storylines, just to grossly disappoint most viewers with little or no payoff. Ok you and I have vastly different views on what "nothing" means. She basically saved Westeros and avenged the Red Wedding. If anything she did more than any other character in the show. Like I said, you are going out of your way to defend something that was terrible. I am not the only one complaining about this. Just the fact that so many are complaining, means the Game of Thrones writers did a bad job of entertaining their viewers. That basically is their job. They failed, with season 8 at least.
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Post by Winter_King on May 30, 2019 14:59:24 GMT
Ok you and I have vastly different views on what "nothing" means. She basically saved Westeros and avenged the Red Wedding. If anything she did more than any other character in the show. Like I said, you are going out of your way to defend something that was terrible. I am not the only one complaining about this. Just the fact that so many are complaining, means the Game of Thrones writers did a bad job of entertaining there viewers. That basically is their job. They failed, with season 8 at least. The fact that they are complaining is irrelevant. Arya's training clearly had a point and a relevant one considering that she is the person that avenged the Red Wedding and killed Night's King. Plus I'm not defending season 8. I have criticized the season but I've also defend it in when some of the criticism is clearly wrong. Like someone saying that Arya's training was for nothing. That's just false and I can point out two at least two situations that were only accomplished by Arya due to her training.
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Post by movieliker on May 30, 2019 15:02:41 GMT
Like I said, you are going out of your way to defend something that was terrible. I am not the only one complaining about this. Just the fact that so many are complaining, means the Game of Thrones writers did a bad job of entertaining their viewers. That basically is their job. They failed, with season 8 at least. The fact that they are complaining is irrelevant. Arya's training clearly had a point and a relevant one considering that she is the person that avenged the Red Wedding and killed Night's King. Plus I'm not defending season 8. I have criticized the season but I've also defend it in when some of the criticism is clearly wrong. Like someone saying that Arya's training was for nothing. That's just false and I can point out two at least two situations that were only accomplished by Arya due to her training. Well obviously lots of people disagree.
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Post by Morgana on May 30, 2019 17:05:43 GMT
There are a lot of things to complain about and ridicule here. But most notably, the Bran storyline. He goes on a 6 season odyssey for what? What did he learn? What did he accomplish? What did he become? He was basically the same person after his 6 season quest that he was before. Just a little older. He did nothing in seasons 7 or 8 that would justify going up north to begin with. What a waste. I agree. Bran was a waste. What was he doing when he went all blank eyed and left everybody around him to die? Bran becoming King was the worst possible ending there could have been, in my opinion.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 30, 2019 17:19:44 GMT
There are a lot of things to complain about and ridicule here. But most notably, the Bran storyline. He goes on a 6 season odyssey for what? What did he learn? What did he accomplish? What did he become? He was basically the same person after his 6 season quest that he was before. Just a little older. He did nothing in seasons 7 or 8 that would justify going up north to begin with. What a waste. I agree. Bran was a waste. What was he doing when he went all blank eyed and left everybody around him to die? Bran becoming King was the worst possible ending there could have been, in my opinion. I never get why people ask what Bran was doing. They showed very clearly what he was doing. He was tracking the NK and hanging around as bait. Everything they knew about the NK came from Bran. He is the reason the plan worked at all. I don’t know if that would make him a good king but that is a separate issue from saying he’s not a good king because he’s a crippled warg. None of them would be good leaders imo but you can’t end the show like that either.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 30, 2019 17:31:20 GMT
I agree. Bran was a waste. What was he doing when he went all blank eyed and left everybody around him to die? Bran becoming King was the worst possible ending there could have been, in my opinion. I never get why people ask what Bran was doing. They showed very clearly what he was doing. He was tracking the NK and hanging around as bait. Bait is meant to attract the prey. If you want to catch the bear, you don't set up the bait in such a fashion that is has to kill all your friends before it gets to it and you have a functioning trap for when it gets there. Nothing made sense in the strategy of the episode. People who "don't get" why people complain about it are just making fools of themselves.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 30, 2019 17:34:16 GMT
There are a lot of things to complain about and ridicule here. But most notably, the Bran storyline. He goes on a 6 season odyssey for what? What did he learn? What did he accomplish? What did he become? He was basically the same person after his 6 season quest that he was before. Just a little older. He did nothing in seasons 7 or 8 that would justify going up north to begin with. What a waste. I agree. Bran was a waste. What was he doing when he went all blank eyed and left everybody around him to die? Bran becoming King was the worst possible ending there could have been, in my opinion. The whole 2nd half of the finale properly trashed the series. It made the whole thing into such a nonsense I feel ashamed of it. I felt insulted by S6 but this goes way further. That fat fuck who came up with it is a complete moron.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 30, 2019 17:36:32 GMT
I never get why people ask what Bran was doing. They showed very clearly what he was doing. He was tracking the NK and hanging around as bait. Bait is meant to attract the prey. If you want to catch the bear, you don't set up the bait in such a fashion that is has to kill all your friends before it gets to it and you have a functioning trap for when it gets there. Nothing made sense in the strategy of the episode. People who "don't get" why people complain about it are just making fools of themselves. it was a battle. It wouldn’t matter where they place Bran since the zombies would just keep killing everyone until NK got there. You honestly think Winterfell was a serious deterrent? They were stalling to get NK there. If they had stuck Bran outside the front door it would not have changed casualties and endangered Bran more.
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Post by movieliker on May 30, 2019 17:36:48 GMT
I agree. Bran was a waste. What was he doing when he went all blank eyed and left everybody around him to die? Bran becoming King was the worst possible ending there could have been, in my opinion. I never get why people ask what Bran was doing. They showed very clearly what he was doing. He was tracking the NK and hanging around as bait. Everything they knew about the NK came from Bran. He is the reason the plan worked at all. I don’t know if that would make him a good king but that is a separate issue from saying he’s not a good king because he’s a crippled warg. None of them would be good leaders imo but you can’t end the show like that either. If it was so clear, why did nobody get it?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 30, 2019 17:47:31 GMT
I never get why people ask what Bran was doing. They showed very clearly what he was doing. He was tracking the NK and hanging around as bait. Everything they knew about the NK came from Bran. He is the reason the plan worked at all. I don’t know if that would make him a good king but that is a separate issue from saying he’s not a good king because he’s a crippled warg. None of them would be good leaders imo but you can’t end the show like that either. If it was so clear, why did nobody get it? [Because they were making popcorn? Stop speaking for everyone. You’re nit good at it.
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Post by movieliker on May 30, 2019 17:48:42 GMT
If it was so clear, why did nobody get it? [Because they were making popcorn? Stop speaking for everyone. You’re nit good at it. No Cool, this is a common complaint.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 30, 2019 18:13:58 GMT
[Because they were making popcorn? Stop speaking for everyone. You’re nit good at it. No Cool, this is a common complaint. The common complaint is based on people not following the story. I sure am glad I do.
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