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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 15:49:56 GMT
I'll try to make this as brief as possible...
I have a friend from whom I bought some comics. I did not clearly list exactly how many comics I took, but I grabbed approximately 80 to a 100, of one title. He saw the batch.
90% of those books fell in the dollar category which literally means that they were worth 1 dollar. If you've ever been to a comic convention you would know that they are often filled with tables of what are known in the industry as dollar books. These are books the retailer got stuck with too many of and couldn't sell, so now they're selling them on the cheap to get rid of them. Some are good, some are crap, some are in poor condition, by fart they're worth next to nothing.
As I said 90% of the books were of the dollar book variety. The other 10% were worth a little more, but nothing over 5 dollars apiece. In any case all of them were cheap comics that he had tons of, in some cases even 3 copies each. None were in top mint condition.
After grabbing the bunch I wanted, I separated the ones that were worth more than a dollar and showed them to him. I told him those were the ones that might be worth more and that he should look through them. He said $100 for the whole lot.
About an hour later, that same day, I asked again if he was alright with the deal. I wanted to be sure. He said (and this I can quote) "Don't worry, I've already made my profit from this lot". He buys comics in lots of hundreds and thousands and then sells them for more. He does this on the side. Apparently he had already sold so many comics from this lot that he was fine making this deal with me.
before I left I was going to pay him via credit card. (For those who don't know, you can pay people via an app on your cel phone. You can even actually swipe the card! Cool, huh?) He was too lazy to find the swipy thing and said just pay me when you can.
Later that week (3 or so days later), I called and made an appointment with him to come over to his place and pay him. I had the money in cash. We were supposed to meet that day at 5:30pm. At about 3pm he texts me back saying he cant met then. He's decided to do something else. I text back saying "but we had an appointment". He responds by saying "I changed the terms".
The next day I try to make another appointment to meet. Again he'd rather do something else.
In the meantime I had bills that needed paying. So I used the money. I'm not rolling in the dough. I figured I'd get him from my next pay check the following week.
Before my next paycheck he texts me that he wants his money. I text him that now he's going to have to wait. I'll pay him during the week. He texts back "give me back my comics. They're worth five times what you paid for them". So clearly he's suddenly getting upset. I'm like what? I thought this was a friendly deal between friends.
I still plan on paying him in full tomorrow. But after that I think we might not be friends anymore. I feel like this will happen again and I don't need the aggravation.
Accepting, that my facts and figures are correct, what do you guys think? lenlen.., it depends on how much you value this friendship and from what you have described, you did the honest and noble thing by pointing out what was worth more than a buck. Since he wasn't too interested in the money at that time—otherwise he would have found the app—what you could do is when you get around to paying him, just spin bit of reverse psychology on him, but not in a malicious way.
Just give him a Sorry buddy!....and tell him that you apologize for the delay in payment and that you didn't get the chance to catch up with him when originally arranged and perhaps give him a little extra for the inconvenience, say like 10% @ $110.00. That way you would see his response or reaction and see if he is genuine in his friendship. Don't make it about him being nonchalant and glib with the other transactions. If he starts going on then about it still being a good deal, he then wasn't being honest with his statement about already making enough money when you brought the value of the comics to his attention in the first place and his generosity wasn't without condition. Good luck pal!  I'll think about it. Thanks for the response.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 15:58:03 GMT
So you try to pay him 3 times and he blows you off. Then he asks for the cash, you tell him he's going to have to wait a few days, and he calls off the deal? The only way I'd give him the comics back is if I had used them as toilet paper first. Also, what did he mean when he texted you saying, "I've changed the terms"? Was he having second thoughts about the deal then and was upping the price? When he texted that it was in response to me texting "but we had an appointment". We were supposed to meet that night. SO I think he meant he changed the terms of us meeting that night.
But, damn, now that you mention it, he might have meant the whole deal. Something to think about...
If so, A) it was unclear that's what he meant, and B) that makes the whole thing even worse, because you don't change the terms of a deal AFTER you've made it. Especially not a friendly deal with a buddy. HE decided on the price point. Not me. I'm abiding by the deal HE made. I'm not accepting him changing the deal AFTERWARDS.
If that's his argument he can kiss my booty patooty. I wouldn't treat a buddy that way, and I certainly don't expect to BE treated that way.
But thanks for the response and the food for thought.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 16:15:12 GMT
I have a friend from whom I bought some comics. what do you guys think? Objectively, you should not have spent the money. I know you said you needed it for bills or whatever, but had you given it to him sooner, you wouldn't have had it then anyway. Like you said, a deal is a deal. You had the comics and the money, and per the deal, one of those was his. You kept the comics and spent his money. Subjectively, y'all are friends. Buddies, you said. He didn't need to be a dick about it. What kind of friend do you have to make an appointment to see, anyway? There's a reason "never do business with friends or family" is a well-known adage. And that's why I put that in there. I wanted to let ya'll know that I am not 100% without culpability here. I did spend the money once he showed no urgency about getting the money.
But in my defense, by that point I had already tried to pay him three times, in a timely manner. And the delay has only amounted to another week worth of time. The whole deal isn't even a month old yet.
I'm starting to think that he thinks he gave me gold in that lot and now regrets the deal. If he'd spoken to me man to man about it I might have even entertained the notion of giving him more money. But the way he's handling it now is just very sucky.
Bottom line is you don't screw over a buddy for what amounts to what, a few more bucks? I wouldn't do it. I really wouldn't. If I had accidentally given up gold I'd suck it up, especially if I had been shown the books in question. That would be "on me", my mistake.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 16:27:11 GMT
I have a friend from whom I bought some comics. Arrange a meeting then try to find out what caused him to change his mind. Remind him in a friendly way that you made a deal with him and had given him every chance to up the price. If he insists on the higher price give him back the comics. That's what I would do anyway. But then how would you treat the friendship afterwards?
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Post by Ass_E9 on May 29, 2019 18:54:54 GMT
If he's a good friend in other regards, just never again engage in a financial transaction with him.
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Post by Morgana on May 29, 2019 19:44:49 GMT
Arrange a meeting then try to find out what caused him to change his mind. Remind him in a friendly way that you made a deal with him and had given him every chance to up the price. If he insists on the higher price give him back the comics. That's what I would do anyway. But then how would you treat the friendship afterwards? You act as you would have acted with him if none of this had taken place and then let his behaviour decide how to go forward.
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Post by Red Horizon on May 29, 2019 20:05:51 GMT
Just don't do any more transactions with him in the future. After this deal is settled, if he still wants to be friends with you, wait till he calls you. Don't make the first move.
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Post by politicidal on May 29, 2019 20:45:50 GMT
I wouldn't want to be friends with an Indian giver like him. Is there any paperwork? Receipt, promissory notes? If not, I would tell him, "A deal's a deal. I offered to pay you twice and you delayed. Now I am going to pay you when I get the money." Thanks for the response. "A deals a deal" is exactly how I feel about this. I think I gave him every opportunity to A) give me a higher price, and B) get paid sooner. In any case, this should still be dealt with in a friendly way since we're buddies. But I guess money does strange things to people.
God's got nothing on that almighty George Washington. $$$$
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 29, 2019 23:26:15 GMT
So you try to pay him 3 times and he blows you off. Then he asks for the cash, you tell him he's going to have to wait a few days, and he calls off the deal? The only way I'd give him the comics back is if I had used them as toilet paper first. Also, what did he mean when he texted you saying, "I've changed the terms"? Was he having second thoughts about the deal then and was upping the price? When he texted that it was in response to me texting "but we had an appointment". We were supposed to meet that night. SO I think he meant he changed the terms of us meeting that night.
But, damn, now that you mention it, he might have meant the whole deal. Something to think about...
If so, A) it was unclear that's what he meant, and B) that makes the whole thing even worse, because you don't change the terms of a deal AFTER you've made it. Especially not a friendly deal with a buddy. HE decided on the price point. Not me. I'm abiding by the deal HE made. I'm not accepting him changing the deal AFTERWARDS.
If that's his argument he can kiss my booty patooty. I wouldn't treat a buddy that way, and I certainly don't expect to BE treated that way.
But thanks for the response and the food for thought.
Well, I also did think of the same thing when he texted " I've changed my terms".
If he is reneging on the deal amount, I'd just give him the comics back.
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Post by Marv on May 29, 2019 23:32:20 GMT
I’d probably give him the comics back but I’d wipe my boogers in the valuable ones and block his phone number. A person like this doesn’t seem like the person I’d want to be friends with...but I obviously have limited information regarding this person.
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Post by poelzig on May 30, 2019 0:32:37 GMT
Objectively, you should not have spent the money. I know you said you needed it for bills or whatever, but had you given it to him sooner, you wouldn't have had it then anyway. Like you said, a deal is a deal. You had the comics and the money, and per the deal, one of those was his. You kept the comics and spent his money. Subjectively, y'all are friends. Buddies, you said. He didn't need to be a dick about it. What kind of friend do you have to make an appointment to see, anyway? There's a reason "never do business with friends or family" is a well-known adage. And that's why I put that in there. I wanted to let ya'll know that I am not 100% without culpability here. I did spend the money once he showed no urgency about getting the money.
But in my defense, by that point I had already tried to pay him three times, in a timely manner. And the delay has only amounted to another week worth of time. The whole deal isn't even a month old yet.
I'm starting to think that he thinks he gave me gold in that lot and now regrets the deal. If he'd spoken to me man to man about it I might have even entertained the notion of giving him more money. But the way he's handling it now is just very sucky.
Bottom line is you don't screw over a buddy for what amounts to what, a few more bucks? I wouldn't do it. I really wouldn't. If I had accidentally given up gold I'd suck it up, especially if I had been shown the books in question. That would be "on me", my mistake.
Since you have replied to every other post in this thread except mine I'm beginning to wonder if you're as innocent in all this as you claim. I asked relevant questions that you don't seem to want to answer whereas everyone else pats you on the back and tells you you're a swell guy. Being intelligent I wonder why you don't want to answer my questions. Since you didn't I have to play Devils Advocate and look at this as if I only had one biased version of this transaction. Which in fact is what we do have. You snatched up 100 comics that it now seems you researched before hand. You then admit to trying to bum rush this unsuspecting guy three times into finishing the transaction. Meanwhile he has looked up the titles and knows you are trying to rip him off. He wants his comics back and since you never paid the poor guy and now can't pay him you SHOULD just give the guy his comics back. The fact you have made it very clear you are keeping the comics no matter what trumps your repeated attempts to come off as the "good guy" in this debacle. If, as you repeatedly insist, you ever were this guys friend you will give him his comics back. If you keep them then you never were his friend and you're kind of a bad person. Also whats with all the assholes saying they would shit on the comics or wipe boogers on them or equally pathetic childish nonsense? Is that how white folks handle things when they don't get their way or is just a millennial thing?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 30, 2019 1:23:10 GMT
And that's why I put that in there. I wanted to let ya'll know that I am not 100% without culpability here. I did spend the money once he showed no urgency about getting the money.
But in my defense, by that point I had already tried to pay him three times, in a timely manner. And the delay has only amounted to another week worth of time. The whole deal isn't even a month old yet.
I'm starting to think that he thinks he gave me gold in that lot and now regrets the deal. If he'd spoken to me man to man about it I might have even entertained the notion of giving him more money. But the way he's handling it now is just very sucky.
Bottom line is you don't screw over a buddy for what amounts to what, a few more bucks? I wouldn't do it. I really wouldn't. If I had accidentally given up gold I'd suck it up, especially if I had been shown the books in question. That would be "on me", my mistake.
Since you have replied to every other post in this thread except mine I'm beginning to wonder if you're as innocent in all this as you claim. I asked relevant questions that you don't seem to want to answer whereas everyone else pats you on the back and tells you you're a swell guy. Being intelligent I wonder why you don't want to answer my questions. Since you didn't I have to play Devils Advocate and look at this as if I only had one biased version of this transaction. Which in fact is what we do have. You snatched up 100 comics that it now seems you researched before hand. You then admit to trying to bum rush this unsuspecting guy three times into finishing the transaction. Meanwhile he has looked up the titles and knows you are trying to rip him off. He wants his comics back and since you never paid the poor guy and now can't pay him you SHOULD just give the guy his comics back. The fact you have made it very clear you are keeping the comics no matter what trumps your repeated attempts to come off as the "good guy" in this debacle. If, as you repeatedly insist, you ever were this guys friend you will give him his comics back. If you keep them then you never were his friend and you're kind of a bad person. Also whats with all the assholes saying they would shit on the comics or wipe boogers on them or equally pathetic childish nonsense? Is that how white folks handle things when they don't get their way or is just a millennial thing? You completely lost my value in your pointed and salient advocacy when you turned it racial in the end. Stop being so indignant and jeuvenile yourself. No wonder you got ignored. Sheesh!
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Post by poelzig on May 30, 2019 2:07:42 GMT
Since you have replied to every other post in this thread except mine I'm beginning to wonder if you're as innocent in all this as you claim. I asked relevant questions that you don't seem to want to answer whereas everyone else pats you on the back and tells you you're a swell guy. Being intelligent I wonder why you don't want to answer my questions. Since you didn't I have to play Devils Advocate and look at this as if I only had one biased version of this transaction. Which in fact is what we do have. You snatched up 100 comics that it now seems you researched before hand. You then admit to trying to bum rush this unsuspecting guy three times into finishing the transaction. Meanwhile he has looked up the titles and knows you are trying to rip him off. He wants his comics back and since you never paid the poor guy and now can't pay him you SHOULD just give the guy his comics back. The fact you have made it very clear you are keeping the comics no matter what trumps your repeated attempts to come off as the "good guy" in this debacle. If, as you repeatedly insist, you ever were this guys friend you will give him his comics back. If you keep them then you never were his friend and you're kind of a bad person. Also whats with all the assholes saying they would shit on the comics or wipe boogers on them or equally pathetic childish nonsense? Is that how white folks handle things when they don't get their way or is just a millennial thing? You completely lost my value in your pointed and salient advocacy when you turned it racial in the end. Stop being so indignant and jeuvenile yourself. No wonder you got ignored. Sheesh! How is asking a question racial? I'm neither a white person nor a millennial. The only way I can discover the machinations of those groups is by asking questions. Should I assume since you rushed to defend the booger wipers and the poop smearers that type of behavior is the way white folks handle things when they don't get their way? I'm seriously asking you.
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Post by Admin on May 30, 2019 4:23:20 GMT
Objectively, you should not have spent the money. I know you said you needed it for bills or whatever, but had you given it to him sooner, you wouldn't have had it then anyway. Like you said, a deal is a deal. You had the comics and the money, and per the deal, one of those was his. You kept the comics and spent his money. Subjectively, y'all are friends. Buddies, you said. He didn't need to be a dick about it. What kind of friend do you have to make an appointment to see, anyway? There's a reason "never do business with friends or family" is a well-known adage. And that's why I put that in there. I wanted to let ya'll know that I am not 100% without culpability here. I did spend the money once he showed no urgency about getting the money.
But in my defense, by that point I had already tried to pay him three times, in a timely manner. And the delay has only amounted to another week worth of time. The whole deal isn't even a month old yet.
I'm starting to think that he thinks he gave me gold in that lot and now regrets the deal. If he'd spoken to me man to man about it I might have even entertained the notion of giving him more money. But the way he's handling it now is just very sucky.
Bottom line is you don't screw over a buddy for what amounts to what, a few more bucks? I wouldn't do it. I really wouldn't. If I had accidentally given up gold I'd suck it up, especially if I had been shown the books in question. That would be "on me", my mistake.
Perhaps sometimes in situations like this one, you just need to ask yourself: What would Judge Judy do?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 30, 2019 8:30:46 GMT
You completely lost my value in your pointed and salient advocacy when you turned it racial in the end. Stop being so indignant and jeuvenile yourself. No wonder you got ignored. Sheesh! How is asking a question racial? I'm neither a white person nor a millennial. The only way I can discover the machinations of those groups is by asking questions. Should I assume since you rushed to defend the booger wipers and the poop smearers that type of behavior is the way white folks handle things when they don't get their way? I'm seriously asking you. I am seriously telling you the question was racial slanted. You have no idea of the race\ethnicity or lenlenlen or his friend he was transacting with. What the frick has being white got to do with it? And you bring it up again here. Keep your own racism in check.
Perhaps lenlenlen1 just overlooked your post, or perhaps he doesn't really like you, only he can answer that. You often undermine yourself with your ugly attitude of feeling entitled and are also inflexible and rigid in your mindset, and like already mentioned, often come across as indignant.
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Post by kuatorises on May 30, 2019 14:36:25 GMT
Did he actually change the price that you two agreed on? I'm not picking up on that. From your original comment, it appears he's inconveniencing you with the constant rescheduling, but I'm not seeing if he actually upped the price?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 30, 2019 16:51:53 GMT
When he texted that it was in response to me texting "but we had an appointment". We were supposed to meet that night. SO I think he meant he changed the terms of us meeting that night.
But, damn, now that you mention it, he might have meant the whole deal. Something to think about...
If so, A) it was unclear that's what he meant, and B) that makes the whole thing even worse, because you don't change the terms of a deal AFTER you've made it. Especially not a friendly deal with a buddy. HE decided on the price point. Not me. I'm abiding by the deal HE made. I'm not accepting him changing the deal AFTERWARDS.
If that's his argument he can kiss my booty patooty. I wouldn't treat a buddy that way, and I certainly don't expect to BE treated that way.
But thanks for the response and the food for thought.
Well, I also did think of the same thing when he texted " I've changed my terms".
If he is reneging on the deal amount, I'd just give him the comics back.
And perhaps that is what he meant, but he still should have been cool about it since we're friends. We could have handled this like the buddies we are. It didn't have to get ugly where he's no all like "give me my books back" like a 12 year old who's decided he wants his baby toys all to himself. He's a grown man and so am I (so its funny that we're talking about comics! LOL!) He could have called me and had a normal conversation.
Also, I'm still of the mind that you don't renege on a deal, especially when its with a friend. I wouldn't do it.
But it's food for thought...
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 30, 2019 16:54:21 GMT
And that's why I put that in there. I wanted to let ya'll know that I am not 100% without culpability here. I did spend the money once he showed no urgency about getting the money.
But in my defense, by that point I had already tried to pay him three times, in a timely manner. And the delay has only amounted to another week worth of time. The whole deal isn't even a month old yet.
I'm starting to think that he thinks he gave me gold in that lot and now regrets the deal. If he'd spoken to me man to man about it I might have even entertained the notion of giving him more money. But the way he's handling it now is just very sucky.
Bottom line is you don't screw over a buddy for what amounts to what, a few more bucks? I wouldn't do it. I really wouldn't. If I had accidentally given up gold I'd suck it up, especially if I had been shown the books in question. That would be "on me", my mistake.
Perhaps sometimes in situations like this one, you just need to ask yourself: What would Judge Judy do? NOPE! I've seen that bitch go the wrong on decisions plenty of times just because she didn't like someone! With my luck I'd end up owing the guy my house!
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Post by nausea on May 30, 2019 16:55:26 GMT
They are goign to be shunned
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 30, 2019 17:10:03 GMT
He finally noticed you had slipped Hulk 181 into the pile. You should have got him drunker before you ran your con. His "I changed the terms" comment is a tip off that he's on to you. What title did you buy? You left out info like was this a spontaneous purchase or did you go to his business or house or whatever specifically to buy the comics? Was he drinking or distracted or something? Its odd that he went from unconcerned to wanting his money or comics immediately. Maybe some of the issues recently increased in value and he noticed once he saw what you bought. Also theres always the possibility he's trying to scam you by asking you to pay more than what y'all agreed on. I didn't know you were a comic collector. I have a nice collection. I remember going to comic cons as a kid when those $5 or less boxes you mentioned would have golden age stuff in them in solid condition. Or finding treasures at flea markets or used book stores. Ah. The good old days when there was no internet and adults thought selling 12 cent comics for 50 cents was a can't lose transaction. I'm NOT avoiding you, I just missed your post earlier. Chill out. It's all good.
Here are your answers...
Title: The old 70's Marvel Conan the Barbarian. 90% of which is garbage in terms of how much money you can make by selling it. The expensive ones are issues 1 - 25. None of which I bought from him. I started in the 30's upward. At that point they start being real cheap.
Spontaneous purchase at his home from long boxes in his garage.
He was NOT drinking or distracted. I specifically brought his attention to the books that MIGHT be worth more. He held them in his hands. If he had been either drinking or distracted I would have come back some other time. I really did try to make the transaction as above board as I could.
Why does he SUDDENLY want his books back? I imagine two reasons: 1) as you suggest some of those books might be going for a little more now so he fells cheated. But if so he only has HIMSELF to mad at for not taking the ten minutes to look the stack I gave him. Remember, I asked him TWICE that day if he was okay. I was at his home for hours that day. He had more than ample opportunity to say "y'know what, let me look through those to make sure I didn't miss something." I would have been totally okay with that. 2) He's bi-polar. I'm not going to get into why but I'm seriously starting to believe that's possible.
As for cons filled with dollar boxes? Yeah, its still a thing. And whenever I decide that theres some old series I suddenly want to buy I attack those. This time he had them at his home and I thought "Why not give the money to a pal instead of a retailer?".
I should'a known better.
So, Poe, we okay now, you and me? 
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