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Post by ck100 on Jun 1, 2019 5:06:09 GMT
Any fans of "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock"? How has it held up after 35 years?
While not a great film nor one of the finest films Star Trek has to offer, Search for Spock has proven itself to be a subdued but effective Star Trek outing. It remains an important part of the Motion Picture trilogy (II, III and IV) for Star Trek and I think would be ranked in the upper half if you ranked all the Star Trek films.
Some consider it to be an underrated film and perhaps the best of the odd-numbered Trek films which are usually considered inferior to the even-numbered Trek films (a trend that stopped with films like Nemesis and Trek '09).
Despite having a simplistic plot, the film largely works due to factors like Leonard Nimoy's directing, cast camaraderie and performances (Shatner being effective during his big dramatic moment for his son), James Horner's score, themes of friendship and sacrifice, and memorable sequences like the terrific "Stealing The Enterprise" scene (with Horner's score at its best) and the memorable destruction of the Enterprise (which had diminishing returns when done in films like Generations and Star Trek Beyond).
Christopher Lloyd is fine as as the villain Kruge even if he doesn't come to the heights of Ricardo Montalban or Christopher Plummer, but he's better than Malcolm MacDowell and F. Murray Abraham.
I like how the film ends nicely with Spock remembering Kirk's first name just as a new day rises on Vulcan scored to the Star Trek theme with "And the adventure continues......."
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Post by wmcclain on Jun 1, 2019 11:17:22 GMT
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jun 1, 2019 11:29:10 GMT
Does Spock's return lessen the impact of his death in Wrath of Khan?
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Post by alpha128 on Jun 1, 2019 12:55:22 GMT
Does Spock's return lessen the impact of his death in Wrath of Khan? I don't think it does. As for Star Trek III, while not as good as II, IV, and VI, it is better than I and V. There are several classic moments. And II, III, and IV together make an effective trilogy.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jun 1, 2019 12:56:45 GMT
Does Spock's return lessen the impact of his death in Wrath of Khan? II, III, and IV together make an effective trilogy. Absolutely.
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Post by wmcclain on Jun 1, 2019 13:04:41 GMT
Oddly enough, the trilogy was unplanned. Paramount would release one film, go to sleep for year and then think about doing another.
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Post by ck100 on Jun 1, 2019 18:00:04 GMT
"I had to kill Bob Morton because he made a mistake......"  |
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 1, 2019 18:38:39 GMT
" Overconfident" Captain Styles...  " Was Really In For A Shock" ...When the Transwarp Drive on USS Excelsior broke down, due to Scotty's sabotage! I guess he 'forgot' that JAMES T. KIRK " doesn't like to loose", and " doesn't believe in the 'No Win Scenario'". |
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Post by ck100 on Jun 1, 2019 19:08:25 GMT
" Overconfident" Captain Styles... " Was Really In For A Shock" ...When the Transwarp Drive on USS Excelsior broke down, due to Scotty's sabotage! I guess he 'forgot' that JAMES T. KIRK " doesn't like to loose", and " doesn't believe in the 'No Win Scenario'". How did they get those numbers for integrity, cunning and strength?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 19:19:28 GMT
Probably my 5th favorite Star Trek film. It was strange to see them kill of Kirk's son so soon. I thought the actor who played him to be quite good. I think Shatner's best performance, too. The Klingon commander was actually a very good adversary, just not as good as Khan.
James Horner delivers another excellent score.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 1, 2019 19:51:45 GMT
How did they get those numbers for integrity, cunning and strength? I really don't know. When Decipher created ST CCG back in the Mid-1990s... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Customizable_Card_Game...they came up with some good, and bad/questionable ideas. But, most of those stats were originally based on the 1-9 scale. Those numbers are not to far off from what I would have picked... But a 6 For "Cunning"?... It should have been rated lower. Kirk ALWAYS has a plan, and not just some half-assed one. "Stealing The Enterprise"? Anyone could try that. Styles should have known that chasing down the Enterprise (Captained by Kirk) with a much faster ship would not have been so simple. It was fun, to see him fail. Sadly, we never really found out why the Transwarp Drive Project was a failure... But with Styles at the helm, it was probably due to a lack solutions, based of his lack of imagination. It's no wonder, that he didn't stay Captain of the Excelsior, and that we never saw him again, and it was good to see that Sulu replaced him as Captain.
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Post by ck100 on Jun 1, 2019 20:37:49 GMT
Probably my 5th favorite Star Trek film. It was strange to see them kill of Kirk's son so soon. I thought the actor who played him to be quite good. I think Shatner's best performance, too. The Klingon commander was actually a very good adversary, just not as good as Khan.
James Horner delivers another excellent score.
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Post by ck100 on Jun 1, 2019 20:58:42 GMT
"I do not deserve to live."  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 23:12:21 GMT
Probably my 5th favorite Star Trek film. It was strange to see them kill of Kirk's son so soon. I thought the actor who played him to be quite good. I think Shatner's best performance, too. The Klingon commander was actually a very good adversary, just not as good as Khan.
James Horner delivers another excellent score.
What are the top four? Wrath of Khan - I don't think that will ever change, it is such a well made film The Motion Picture (director's cut) - I know I am way in the minority with that First Contact - thanks in large part to Patrick Stewart's exceptional performance
Star Trek 2009 - an exciting well made film, great fresh cast
Star Trek III
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 23:22:36 GMT
Does Spock's return lessen the impact of his death in Wrath of Khan? Yes it does. Any time a character returns from death it does nothing but cheapen death and cheapen the character. How do you ever take a character death seriously when you know that it's never going to be permanent for any character that matters. Meyer knew this and fought against the idea of having the "Remember..." mind meld moment in ST II, but was ultimately overruled.
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Post by teleadm on Jun 2, 2019 0:33:53 GMT
35 years goes too fast apparently!  |
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Post by azzajones on Jun 3, 2019 7:49:10 GMT
Holds up pretty well, except for one big plot hole in the film: why they steal the Enterprise and head to Genesis - in the film they didn't Spock body had come back to life so they had no reason to go to Genesis, yet they did - what they needed to do at that point in the film was to take McCoy to Vulcan.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jun 3, 2019 12:47:05 GMT
Holds up pretty well, except for one big plot hole in the film: why they steal the Enterprise and head to Genesis - in the film they didn't Spock body had come back to life so they had no reason to go to Genesis, yet they did - what they needed to do at that point in the film was to take McCoy to Vulcan. They went to Genesis to get Spock's Body.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 3, 2019 18:15:02 GMT
I saw this movie at the theater as a kid... While I don't remember much about the Theater experience... I do remember coming out of the theater and remembering this specific moment in the film. The Enterprise was always as big of a character as anyone else in the franchise... And it was shocking to me that this took place. Kirk sort of said in the film, what I was feeling and thought... "My God Bones, What Have 'They' Done?"
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