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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 5, 2019 15:14:06 GMT
Well for one movie at least. From what I've seen of Apocalypse, it's not very good. Outside of McAvoy and Fassbender, the new cast was never very well received. Egh, I liked Evan Peters’ quicksilver better than the MCU one. They're both lousy. MCU Quicksilver didn't do a hell of a lot before getting killed off, gives you the impression they only wanted Wanda but felt obligated to use Pietro. Fox Quicksilver has no personality and is insanely overpowered. They shoehorned him into DOFP for one action sequence (which was a blast), then decided not to use him for the remainder of the film because they realized he could do it all by himself a this power level. Then they gave us a rehash of that scene in Apocalypse (which was a tired concept already on its second appearance) where they play the destruction of the mansion for laughs. So yeah I think Marvel and Fox both failed to use the character properly and I don't know how they bring him back in the MCU while retaining continuity, so RIP Quicksilver.
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 5, 2019 15:35:46 GMT
Well for one movie at least. From what I've seen of Apocalypse, it's not very good. Outside of McAvoy and Fassbender, the new cast was never very well received. Egh, I liked Evan Peters’ quicksilver better than the MCU one. I did too, but I never really got the impression anyone outside of McAvoy and Fassbender resonated with audiences. To be honest, I might even think of Fassbender more now when I think of Magneto.
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Post by DarkManX on Jun 5, 2019 15:36:32 GMT
DOFP was just an excuse to have another Wolverine-Magento: Stryker film. Singer killed off nearly all of the First Class mutants so he could shove Wolverine, Magneto, and Stryker into every scene of the movie whether they needed to be or not.
I'm not going to pay money to see Wolverine-Magneto: Stryker Part 27: This Time Dark Phoenix Makes a Cameo.
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 5, 2019 16:21:03 GMT
There's little doubt in my mind that it's getting bad reviews, I admit it doesn't look like anything special, but I've just about had it with this bizarre faction of fans and try to pretend this entire series was panned. Most of the series is rated fresh: X1, X2, First Class, Days of Future Past, The Wolverine, and Logan are all well received. Somewhere around the release of DOFP, which funny enough is one of the highest rated ones, this group of fans started rolling their eyes at this series as if it was bad all along. Even before we knew Apocalypse was bad, people dismissed it fresh off the heels of one of the highest rated in the series. It became cool and fashionable to hate these movies. Fact is, most of them have good reviews. I never try to argue the public sentiment, only my personal opinion. X2 for example is highly regarded whereas I don't think it's anything special. One of the better X-films for sure, but I rewatched it within the last few years and couldn't remember why I thought it was as great as I did. I'm fully aware most people enjoyed DOFP because it's consistently mentioned as one of the better ones (including in this thread), but it didn't work for me at all. I enjoyed First Class, Logan and Deadpool. The Wolverine was forgettable but not terrible. The issue with the X-films is that for every decent entry into the catalog, there are two or three truly awful films. That explains why over time, the general audience may have turned on the franchise as a whole as you're suggesting here. I don't have many kind words for the franchise myself, but I'm not a hater. Shit man, I'm going to see Dark Phoenix this Friday. I want these movies to be good. It's incredibly rare that they accomplish what I want them too, though. I actually think this is were healthy chunk of the dislike for the franchise comes from. I know that a lot of diehard X-Men fans are upset with the series simply because they don't mimic the comics close enough. Now I'm not telling you you have to like the movies or anything, I just don't think that line of thinking is particularly fair. I've done it myself though at times. There's even been a few instances where movie did something I didn't expect and ended up liking it.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 5, 2019 16:25:11 GMT
Now it's at 21%. I don't hate the X-Men franchise but most of the films are mediocre. A couple are less than mediocre (X-3, Apocalypse) and some are better (Logan, Deadpool 1 and 2 if they even count). The rest are just average and forgettable with a bunch of wasted characters and repetitive story lines.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 5, 2019 16:29:11 GMT
I never try to argue the public sentiment, only my personal opinion. X2 for example is highly regarded whereas I don't think it's anything special. One of the better X-films for sure, but I rewatched it within the last few years and couldn't remember why I thought it was as great as I did. I'm fully aware most people enjoyed DOFP because it's consistently mentioned as one of the better ones (including in this thread), but it didn't work for me at all. I enjoyed First Class, Logan and Deadpool. The Wolverine was forgettable but not terrible. The issue with the X-films is that for every decent entry into the catalog, there are two or three truly awful films. That explains why over time, the general audience may have turned on the franchise as a whole as you're suggesting here. I don't have many kind words for the franchise myself, but I'm not a hater. Shit man, I'm going to see Dark Phoenix this Friday. I want these movies to be good. It's incredibly rare that they accomplish what I want them too, though. I actually think this is were healthy chunk of the dislike for the franchise comes from. I know that a lot of diehard X-Men fans are upset with the series simply because they don't mimic the comics close enough. Now I'm not telling you you have to like the movies or anything, I just don't think that line of thinking is particularly fair. I've done it myself though at times. I actually think it's the opposite. As a comic fan, I was never a huge X-Men fan. They had some good storylines but overall I wasn't as interested in them as I was in other titles. The characters clearly don't resonate with me the way they do for hardcore X-Men fans. I'm just a comic fan in general, that's why I keep going to see these movies despite being disappointed more often than not. As much as I don't like what Fox has done with them for the most part, I'm hoping the MCU version of the X-Men still has a distinct voice as a sub-franchise. I'd hate to see them act like the Avengers, even though I prefer those characters. The X-Men are a different type of group with a different dynamic, it should feel that way in the films.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 5, 2019 16:45:24 GMT
I have not been a fan of most of them so this is not a shocking development.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Jun 5, 2019 17:27:41 GMT
Never knew there was that many non-fans of this franchise. It’s a franchise where I enjoy most of the movies even if some are more flawed than others. I’m mostly disappointed with the reactions to this in that regard.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 5, 2019 18:37:35 GMT
Never knew there was that many non-fans of this franchise. It’s a franchise where I enjoy most of the movies even if some are more flawed than others. I’m mostly disappointed with the reactions to this in that regard. It definitely doesn't get enough credit for helping revitalize the super hero movie after Batman and Robin, Steel, and The Phantom.
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Post by ck100 on Jun 5, 2019 19:18:23 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 5, 2019 19:25:20 GMT
I'm gonna take a guess and say it tries to be "epic" and just ended up being being a bloated mess. That's why I like "Logan", it really isn't a an epic "save the univserse" type plot or anything, it's just a straight forward road trip. Hell it's basically just "Rain Man" with super powers.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 5, 2019 19:28:44 GMT
This breaks my heart. Was really hoping it'd be good and end the series on a high note. Though I'll probably still enjoy it to some extent. I even liked The Last Stand and Apocalypse (Origins was a steaming pile of garbage, however).
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 5, 2019 19:34:45 GMT
Best thing about X-men were Jackman, Stewart, and McKellan (and Brian Cox, an effective human villain).
Everything else is disposable.
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Post by Archelaus on Jun 5, 2019 22:53:23 GMT
I knew this movie was going to get mixed reviews, but I didn't expect a strongly negative reception. I wasn't going to see this movie anyway in theaters, but I'll rent it.
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Post by THawk on Jun 5, 2019 23:04:44 GMT
I completely disagree with the reviews, it was a good movie in every way shape and form. Maybe it didn't work that well as an ending to the franchise, but it dared to go for a different tone and delivered some fantastic performances. Critics are totally wrong on this one.
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 6, 2019 13:27:24 GMT
To be fair that trailer looked heinous. I thought it was bland more than anything else. Not good, not bad, just there. Completely uninteresting.
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 6, 2019 13:28:26 GMT
Never knew there was that many non-fans of this franchise. It’s a franchise where I enjoy most of the movies even if some are more flawed than others. I’m mostly disappointed with the reactions to this in that regard. That's because it wasn't always there, at least at this level.
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 6, 2019 13:29:45 GMT
I actually think this is were healthy chunk of the dislike for the franchise comes from. I know that a lot of diehard X-Men fans are upset with the series simply because they don't mimic the comics close enough. Now I'm not telling you you have to like the movies or anything, I just don't think that line of thinking is particularly fair. I've done it myself though at times. I actually think it's the opposite. As a comic fan, I was never a huge X-Men fan. They had some good storylines but overall I wasn't as interested in them as I was in other titles. The characters clearly don't resonate with me the way they do for hardcore X-Men fans. I'm just a comic fan in general, that's why I keep going to see these movies despite being disappointed more often than not. As much as I don't like what Fox has done with them for the most part, I'm hoping the MCU version of the X-Men still has a distinct voice as a sub-franchise. I'd hate to see them act like the Avengers, even though I prefer those characters. The X-Men are a different type of group with a different dynamic, it should feel that way in the films. I think you're the exception, not the rule.Most of the complaints about these movies were how singer deviated from the characters comic book counterparts
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Post by jamesbamesy on Jun 6, 2019 13:42:50 GMT
Never knew there was that many non-fans of this franchise. It’s a franchise where I enjoy most of the movies even if some are more flawed than others. I’m mostly disappointed with the reactions to this in that regard. That's because it wasn't always there, at least at this level. I dunno, it was a big enough franchise, movies or otherwise. |
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 6, 2019 13:52:17 GMT
That's because it wasn't always there, at least at this level. I dunno, it was a big enough franchise, movies or otherwise. I know it was.My point was that it only became fashionable to criticize this much in the last few years.
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