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Post by poelzig on Jun 8, 2019 19:16:50 GMT
So, you are telling me you go around in a constant state of anger\outrage, over something you have absolutely no control over, and cannot prevent from happening? To satiate this anger, you would endorse and condone other crimes, just to appease your displaced and phony outrage\aggressions? Yes, it makes me angry when I hear of an adult hurting a child in any way but that doesn't mean I am in a constant state of anger - don't twist what I've said to suit your own anger issues. Plus you are using anger at the world to 'excuse' what pedophiles do: How is your reasoning behind their issues okay, but mine is 'phony and displaced'? You have compassion for children and don't want them to be harmed as they are for the most part helpless. Toast has shown countless times he is more concerned about the welfare of monsters that rape children. He is unable to grasp why or how people like yourself or myself would give a shit about kids being molested. I don't understand why he feels that way anymore than he understands why I legitimately detest people that prey on kids. I am pointing this out as I have tried to reason with him on this subject several times as you are attempting to do but to no avail.
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Post by daggoth84 on Jun 9, 2019 6:49:50 GMT
Since our justice systme isn't perfect I say chemical castration for sex offenders with the option to regrow your balls in case you were wrongfully convicted. but if you were 100% without a doubt guilty, go head and put his dick in a guillotine.
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Post by Morgana on Jun 9, 2019 10:38:06 GMT
Yes, it makes me angry when I hear of an adult hurting a child in any way but that doesn't mean I am in a constant state of anger - don't twist what I've said to suit your own anger issues. Plus you are using anger at the world to 'excuse' what pedophiles do: How is your reasoning behind their issues okay, but mine is 'phony and displaced'? I am not using anger to "excuse" pedophiles, so please don't twist the essence of my posts on this thread, I just feel it is a waste of energy getting outraged, which is where your projection and pov appears to be stemming from, over something that is abstract in terms of all those lives out there and behaviors, that have no consequence to my life. If something affects me directly, or even impacts indirectly, I deal with it then. If you can't remain neutral or balanced within yourself and want to condemn something you are not making an effort to understand and only going skin deep, then that says so much more about you. It is a base mentality.
This also says a lot about the establishment as well and how they choose to deal with things. How is castrating offenders going to stop pedophiles? This is just another quick fix and will only create more issues. And like I mentioned earlier, there are female child sex offenders as well. If males are dealt with one way, with the equality stance today, females then need be treated the same way and have their clit removed. I can just imagine the public outcry over this, largely from women, if this gets implemented.
You are the one twisting the essence of my posts, so don't preach to me about doing it. I do have sympathy - for the victims. Have you ever known a child sexual assault victim? I have, and it's the most heartwrenching thing to ever witness. She hated herself so much she couldn't refer to herself as a person but an 'it'. So no, I have no sympathy for those that cause such pain, mainly since I know they will re-offend if given half the chance.
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Post by vegalyra on Jun 9, 2019 19:34:27 GMT
What's your proposal? Are you a part of NAMBLA? Are you a moron? Personal attacks notwithstanding, I still don't see a proposal from you and I didn't see a denial. I still stand by my first inquiry. Do you suggest that pedophiles should be "caught and released?"
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jun 10, 2019 5:34:35 GMT
Yes, it is sick and scary. And statistics are (albeit difficult to quantify) that one in eight of all abused children goes on to be an abuser. It is a complex problem, and keeping them behind bars is the only way to keep them from offending again. Until they can figure out a way to chemically alter the part of the brain that rules an abuser, incarceration is the only choice. And there are women who abuse; it isn't restricted to men, so I don't see chemical castration as a complete solution. It's not just about hormones or working 'parts'. Genetics, brain chemistry, psychology and environment all play a part.rachel..., I like you a lot, but I have to say here, you are being very absurd and obtuse here. What about all those that aren't locked up? How are you going to chemically alter all those pedophiles, who you don't even know are pedophiles?
That's my point, chemical castration won't work, because it's more about what goes on in the brain than just hormonal influence. That's just part of the problem. And the ones that are known offenders should be locked up. It is the only way to prevent them from re-offending. And the ones that we don't know about will continue to ruin young lives. Pedophilia is very under-reported, especially among younger children - they don't know what to say and who to say it to. I have a close friend who's mother molested her, and let 'stepfathers' do the same. She's a very damaged person; fortunately, she did get therapy (and is still in therapy) and did not go on to repeat the cycle with her children. But her life has been a mess; the one person she should have been able to trust, betrayed her, harmed her. It's profoundly disturbing, and she trusts very few people with 'the whole story'. I'm one of those few. So I have a more personal perspective than others might. Edit: this link might explain more - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1940091/A short excerpt -
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Post by vegalyra on Jun 10, 2019 13:04:51 GMT
There is a sickness in society and it is perpetuated by narrow minds like yourself. All you said is, they don't belong in society. They ARE a part of society, even if locked up and whether you like it or not, there are going to be MORE pedophiles. They cannot be locked up FOREVER either, or chemically castrated, just because it doesn't suit your own moronic and simpleminded sensibilities.
Things will not change until the core issues that society creates are addressed and this comes down to conditioning right from the start. It is the breeder that is responsible for human society and if they can't be responsible for how they raise their children, then don't f<>king breed.
So you side with the perpetrator and not with the victim. Nice. I still don't hear any counter proposal from you. What do you suggest is the solution? By the way, gay couples can raise children as well which I'm sure you are well aware. What do you suggest they do? By the way, if I'm being narrowminded and moronic, I must be with the majority. Your view is positively extremist and borderline irresponsible. I suggest you don't have children or even associate with children because if you are okay with protecting pedophile behavior I hope you don't have any nieces or nephews or any of your own children. I guarantee you, you would change your mind about this if your relatives were affected by someone abusing them. Consider yourself blocked. Your continued belittling me of my opinions when I have not attacked you have even liked many of your posts on the general film forums shows that you have no respect for other's opinions and aren't interested in engaging in intelligent conversation.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jun 10, 2019 14:47:22 GMT
That's my point, chemical castration won't work, because it's more about what goes on in the brain than just hormonal influence. That's just part of the problem. And the ones that are known offenders should be locked up. It is the only way to prevent them from re-offending. And the ones that we don't know about will continue to ruin young lives. Pedophilia is very under-reported, especially among younger children - they don't know what to say and who to say it to. I have a close friend who's mother molested her, and let 'stepfathers' do the same. She's a very damaged person; fortunately, she did get therapy (and is still in therapy) and did not go on to repeat the cycle with her children. But her life has been a mess; the one person she should have been able to trust, betrayed her, harmed her. It's profoundly disturbing, and she trusts very few people with 'the whole story'. I'm one of those few. So I have a more personal perspective than others might. Edit: this link might explain more - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1940091/A short excerpt - It is tragic that children\people get mistreated at any phase of their life and children are easy targets, because they need as much guidance and love and acceptance that can be given. It is not a simple fix and deviant adult behaviors towards children is not just a black and white issue only. We have all been maltreated at some stage in our own childhood phase and it continues on into adult phase too, by other adults. There are consequences for any action and children need to learn this and it ALL comes down to the responsibility of parenting to do the most appropriate and proper thing by raising children.
Psychological wounds can be difficult to heal, but the reality is, we can't allow ourselves to become too precious either and as harsh as it sounds, we really have NO choice but to get over them. What other option do we have if one is too move on?
There are no absolutes and there is no way we can control others behaviour and make them change any behavior if they don't want to. There is about 7Billion people on this planet and there is no way we are going to be able to pinpoint or target everyone who has some sort of sick malady that has the capacity to destroy others lives. We lock criminals up and then they get released and then put under community supervision. They may or may not re-offend. There are also a myriad of others out there who are yet to offend. Any scientific study to pinpoint and control these criminal behaviours will prove futile.
Steven Spileberg's Minority Report dealt with psychic connection linked to criminal activity and arresting people prior to the crimes happening. The issue here though, was how can it become a crime, until it has been perpetrated? People still have an option\choice to decide which route to take and mind control either is not the answer, be it chemical or psychic.
Some people can't "move on". Sometimes people choose to end their lives, by opening a vein. Some people choose to kill themselves more slowly with drugs or alcohol. Some people choose to offend themselves; in some twisted way, they make other people hurt has much as they do. Perfect parenting would be great, but there are no absolutes and there is no way we can control others behavior and make them change any behavior if they don't want to. Perfect parenting is as impossible a goal as is treating everyone with a sick malady. BTW, if you ever have someone confide in you that they have been abused, molested or in some other way suffered a criminal offence, the least helpful thing to tell them is that they have no choice but to move on. Trust me, if they could, they would. They need help, and empathy from others in order to do that.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 10, 2019 15:12:34 GMT
Alabama. The state that does not belong in the states.
Chemical castration will not stop rapes. It will just stop births by killing the sperm. The dick would still work, as would the desire to rape.
I say we drop an air raid of chemical castration fog on Alabama.
And like I mentioned earlier in the thread, it does not mean that these offenders are still not going to act out sexually or aggressively at children, or anyone for that matter. I think we said that same thing with different words LOL
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Post by TalkGood50 on Jun 10, 2019 22:18:54 GMT
This is typical of white picket fence conservative fascism. This is cruel and unusual punishment un ethical. Psychotherapy is the best cure for a pedophile, but, this could apply to all victimless crime sexual behavior opposed by white picket fence ruling class conservative, to eliminate sexual freedom, not only pedophilia.
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 13, 2019 23:31:23 GMT
Sounds to me like a response to everybody freaking out about the new abortion laws down south, people were saying 'they're outlawing abortion so all the women in Alabama will lose their rights and they're all gonna be raped because nobody cares about them'. Yeah this sure looks like nobody cares about the victims of sexual offenders, right?
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Post by amyghost on Jun 14, 2019 16:36:01 GMT
I don't agree with some of the things I have heard Alabama has been doing lately but I think that is a good idea and they should do the same thing to rapists since the majority of them are incapable of changing and will just do it again and again if they are released as we have seen here in Australia. Not having a sexual desire deb, is not going to stop people from still committing violent crimes and even crimes of a sexual nature. Pedophiles could largely be angry at the world due to how they were treated when younger. They choose targets that are easy prey. This is born out of anger first and foremost. They are also very likely mentally ill. Not having a sexual desire deb, is not going to stop people from still committing violent crimes and even crimes of a sexual nature. Pedophiles could largely be angry at the world due to how they were treated when younger. They choose targets that are easy prey. This is born out of anger first and foremost. They are also very likely mentally ill. Castration DOES NOT and WILL NOT solve anything.
Alabamba is a backwoods hick state anyway and they are targeting the redneck\lynchmob mentality to win votes. That is very corrupt in itself.
This is an excellent point. Sex crimes far more often than not have little to do with uncontrollable sexual desire, and a great deal to do with angry and violent domination and control. Dampening or removing libido won't stop these types of perpetrators because it's not the engine that running their actions. It is no great secret that pedophiles have an extremely high recidivism rate (as do many sex offenders in general). This alone would tend to suggest mental defect of some type as opposed to criminal behavior dictated by a generally sound, but sociopathic, mind. Pedophilia displays pretty much as being a compulsive sort of behavior, not the sort of behavior apt to be checked by incarceration except insofar as incarceration keeps children out of the pedo's reach. In an already overcrowded prison system it's highly unlikely that even the repeat offender pedophile is apt to be incarcerated for life in most cases, but it's also true that the science behind chemical castration is shaky, as several studies that can be found online have shown. While I'm more than not in favor of keeping pedophiles away from being able to prey on children, I tend toward the view that jailing and drugging aren't proving particularly effective means of dealing with the problem, and that other approaches are going to have to be developed and more aggressively pursued; as much as many feel disgust and loathing toward pedophilic behaviors, there's not much evidence that adopting a lynch mob mentality in dealing with them is going to do much toward eradicating them as a societally-based issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 13:03:36 GMT
- There is medical proof the child was raped. If a random 10 year old says a man 'touched' him or her, but there isn't any proof, then no. Or the pedo has at least 3 + accusors. This is an odd criteria, because you're introducing two legal standards of guilt. You're essentially saying we can lock people up if they are proven to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but we can only use chemical castration if we're really sure they're guilty. I'd argue that if we're not really sure they're guilty, we have no business locking people up at all. Chemical castration is also no guarantee that there will be no further offences; some people will offend regardless. Some will avoid taking the drugs. Of course a reduction of reoffending may suffice where an elimination is impossible. For me, drugging a person against their will falls under cruelty and violates bodily autonomy, which I hold sacrosanct. But if it were offered as a free choice rather than coerced, I'd be much more in favour. And I don't regard 'you can only get parole if you take it' as a free choice.
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