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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 10, 2019 1:39:36 GMT
I said it before and it's still true today that I have not yet received any of the "spiritual gifts" some people might obtain when they "receive the Holy Spirit." Is there a gift of healing? I can't even heal a mild cough. Is there a gift of prophesy? I can't tell when it might rain next month. I'm not complaining. I have more than I deserve. I live in a spacious apartment. I have lots of delicious, nutritious food. None of that is "spiritual" exactly. It's all perfectly natural.
I prefer to believe that my part, if any, in the divine plan is to avoid those things so that I might persuade people of my thorough understanding and use of science. You might be aware, and a few board members might stop by to verify, that is not going well despite my very accurate use of science.
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Post by Zos on Jun 10, 2019 13:32:54 GMT
I got a whistle, it's well cool.
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Post by general313 on Jun 10, 2019 13:50:27 GMT
I was going to reply to the OP but changed my mind just as I read the end of the last sentence.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 10, 2019 16:03:25 GMT
I was going to reply to the OP but changed my mind just as I read the end of the last sentence. I'm certain goz is clever enough, and maybe you are too, to realize that a person with my academic ratings and accomplishments does not have to concern himself with the opinions of random people on the internet who understand very well they are not scientists themselves, yet continue in the unfounded belief they should police who is and who is not considered scientific. That said, thank you anyway for your opinions or the lack thereof. I always consider what might be confusing people and ways to make things more clear for them.
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Post by general313 on Jun 10, 2019 18:04:14 GMT
I was going to reply to the OP but changed my mind just as I read the end of the last sentence. I'm certain goz is clever enough, and maybe you are too, to realize that a person with my academic ratings and accomplishments does not have to concern himself with the opinions of random people on the internet who understand very well they are not scientists themselves, yet continue in the unfounded belief they should police who is and who is not considered scientific. That said, thank you anyway for your opinions or the lack thereof. I always consider what might be confusing people and ways to make things more clear for them. It's fine to be unconcerned with others' opinions of one's qualifications, but quite another to be unconcerned with whether one's own opinions corresponds with reality.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 10, 2019 21:44:52 GMT
I'm certain goz is clever enough, and maybe you are too, to realize that a person with my academic ratings and accomplishments does not have to concern himself with the opinions of random people on the internet who understand very well they are not scientists themselves, yet continue in the unfounded belief they should police who is and who is not considered scientific. That said, thank you anyway for your opinions or the lack thereof. I always consider what might be confusing people and ways to make things more clear for them. It's fine to be unconcerned with others' opinions of one's qualifications, but quite another to be unconcerned with whether one's own opinions corresponds with reality. I hope you're taking your own advice seeing that IMDb =/= reality. You do understand this much? There might be truth here, but it is not truth because it is here, and it does not fail to be truth even if people here reject it. I also know that "reality" is chock full of people who are busy policing who is and who is not a scientist despite their lack of any ability to do that. I'm just glad they don't have much control over actual academic environments, and that the overwhelming majority of the internet is not considered academic, including much more learned places than this. That they tend to depend on government for any advancement of their delusions is a nuisance, but I suspect enough people like me will be able to break them of that bad habit in time. I think you may comment on that bizarre political situation here if you like even though it is a "religion, faith and spirituality" board. There is much evidence to suspect that politics and religion are mixed and separated all the wrong ways lately.
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Post by goz on Jun 10, 2019 23:11:12 GMT
I was going to reply to the OP but changed my mind just as I read the end of the last sentence. I'm certain goz is clever enough, and maybe you are too, to realize that a person with my academic ratings and accomplishments does not have to concern himself with the opinions of random people on the internet who understand very well they are not scientists themselves, yet continue in the unfounded belief they should police who is and who is not considered scientific. That said, thank you anyway for your opinions or the lack thereof. I always consider what might be confusing people and ways to make things more clear for them. WTF are you singling me out for when, it is patently obvious that even a high school student studying science would realise from what you post on here, that you know stuff all about 'science'?
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Post by gadreel on Jun 10, 2019 23:25:53 GMT
I got a whistle, it's well cool. You should have hung out for your decoder ring. it's much cooler.
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Post by general313 on Jun 11, 2019 2:45:53 GMT
It's fine to be unconcerned with others' opinions of one's qualifications, but quite another to be unconcerned with whether one's own opinions corresponds with reality. I hope you're taking your own advice seeing that IMDb =/= reality. You do understand this much? There might be truth here, but it is not truth because it is here, and it does not fail to be truth even if people here reject it. I also know that "reality" is chock full of people who are busy policing who is and who is not a scientist despite their lack of any ability to do that. I'm just glad they don't have much control over actual academic environments, and that the overwhelming majority of the internet is not considered academic, including much more learned places than this. That they tend to depend on government for any advancement of their delusions is a nuisance, but I suspect enough people like me will be able to break them of that bad habit in time. I think you may comment on that bizarre political situation here if you like even though it is a "religion, faith and spirituality" board. There is much evidence to suspect that politics and religion are mixed and separated all the wrong ways lately. Speaking of grandiose Dunning-Kruger fueled fantasies do you have a revised timetable for your campaign to overturn Kitzmiller v Dover?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 11, 2019 5:39:02 GMT
I hope you're taking your own advice seeing that IMDb =/= reality. You do understand this much? There might be truth here, but it is not truth because it is here, and it does not fail to be truth even if people here reject it. I also know that "reality" is chock full of people who are busy policing who is and who is not a scientist despite their lack of any ability to do that. I'm just glad they don't have much control over actual academic environments, and that the overwhelming majority of the internet is not considered academic, including much more learned places than this. That they tend to depend on government for any advancement of their delusions is a nuisance, but I suspect enough people like me will be able to break them of that bad habit in time. I think you may comment on that bizarre political situation here if you like even though it is a "religion, faith and spirituality" board. There is much evidence to suspect that politics and religion are mixed and separated all the wrong ways lately. Speaking of grandiose Dunning-Kruger fueled fantasies do you have a revised timetable for your campaign to overturn Kitzmiller v Dover? Yes. It should be obvious we are all waiting for the "religious" Republicans to make their own move or not. They obviously made their own move on abortion in many states. Making their own move on intelligent design can be accomplished much the same way, just start teaching it and wait for someone to challenge it or not. If challenged they would have to make arguments, otherwise no need for arguments. I think their move on abortion was too soon. I don't think anything has changed that gives any hope of success. In the states that do not allow exception for rape the courts will likely shut that down early. In the states that do allow exceptions for rape, the claims of rape are likely to increase and become a problem for the courts and it will be evident the country is no different from when it found it necessary to allow abortions as much as it did. If anything the Republicans have made the country less religious, and less fearful of any god, just more fearful of stupid people in the government and military. I suspect they will not even attempt to teach intelligent design because we know they really are stupid, godless pigs with no such intention. That could very well lose the election for them, which would make it very easy to teach intelligent design without their cooperation or interference. Or they might win seeing the Democratic Party is even more stupid than they are. That might or might not delay things.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 11, 2019 5:46:35 GMT
I'm certain goz is clever enough, and maybe you are too, to realize that a person with my academic ratings and accomplishments does not have to concern himself with the opinions of random people on the internet who understand very well they are not scientists themselves, yet continue in the unfounded belief they should police who is and who is not considered scientific. That said, thank you anyway for your opinions or the lack thereof. I always consider what might be confusing people and ways to make things more clear for them. WTF are you singling me out for when, it is patently obvious that even a high school student studying science would realise from what you post on here, that you know stuff all about 'science'? What's this? Are you not the same "goz" who accused me more than once a day of failing science totally and miserably?
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Post by goz on Jun 11, 2019 5:47:52 GMT
Speaking of grandiose Dunning-Kruger fueled fantasies do you have a revised timetable for your campaign to overturn Kitzmiller v Dover? Yes. It should be obvious we are all waiting for the "religious" Republicans to make their own move or not. They obviously made their own move on abortion in many states. Making their own move on intelligent design can be accomplished much the same way, just start teaching it and wait for someone to challenge it or not. If challenged they would have to make arguments, otherwise no need for arguments. I think their move on abortion was too soon. I don't think anything has changed that gives any hope of success. In the states that do not allow exception for rape the courts will likely shut that down early. In the states that do allow exceptions for rape, the claims of rape are likely to increase and become a problem for the courts and it will be evident the country is no different from when it found it necessary to allow abortions as much as it did. If anything the Republicans have made the country less religious, and less fearful of any god, just more fearful of stupid people in the government and military. I suspect they will not even attempt to teach intelligent design because we know they really are stupid, godless pigs with no such intention. That could very well lose the election for them, which would make it very easy to teach intelligent design without their cooperation or interference. Or they might win seeing the Democratic Party is even more stupid than they are. That might or might not delay things. …with either party... pigs might fly!
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Post by goz on Jun 11, 2019 5:50:16 GMT
WTF are you singling me out for when, it is patently obvious that even a high school student studying science would realise from what you post on here, that you know stuff all about 'science'? What's this? Are you not the same "goz" who accused me more than once a day of failing science totally and miserably? Yes, and I still do and in that post enlisted the aid of pretty much ALL high schoolers studying basic science to my cause, because it is so obvious that you know shite about science.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 11, 2019 6:00:08 GMT
What's this? Are you not the same "goz" who accused me more than once a day of failing science totally and miserably? Yes, and I still do and in that post enlisted the aid of pretty much ALL high schoolers studying basic science to my cause, because it is so obvious that you know shite about science. Did you? What is disturbing about that is the fact that public education is not what it was when or where I attended. It might be true today that high school kids are so ill informed about science they would agree with an old lady who never studied it. It is sad that you (plural) won't know the truth till the TV tells you.
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Post by goz on Jun 11, 2019 7:15:33 GMT
Yes, and I still do and in that post enlisted the aid of pretty much ALL high schoolers studying basic science to my cause, because it is so obvious that you know shite about science. Did you? What is disturbing about that is the fact that public education is not what it was when or where I attended. It might be true today that high school kids are so ill informed about science they would agree with an old lady who never studied it. It is sad that you (plural) won't know the truth till the TV tells you. Yes. I did. Public education, for all its faults, at least teaches children mainstream and accepted science. It has made our society what it is, and is reliable and progressive. (unlike you) Our society, upon which we all , even you, depend is scientifically bound.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 11, 2019 8:04:21 GMT
Did you? What is disturbing about that is the fact that public education is not what it was when or where I attended. It might be true today that high school kids are so ill informed about science they would agree with an old lady who never studied it. It is sad that you (plural) won't know the truth till the TV tells you. Yes. I did. Public education, for all its faults, at least teaches children mainstream and accepted science. It has made our society what it is, and is reliable and progressive. (unlike you) Our society, upon which we all , even you, depend is scientifically bound. I am perfectly aware of what science has done and can do. I use math and science regularly. Notice on the Politics board I solved the cannonball stack problem. Our only difference is that you do not understand what science cannot do. Yes, there are things science cannot do. I've explained this enough times I shouldn't have to explain it again. If people agree they want to build a bird house, science can help. It can design a bird house for a particular kind of bird and perhaps one that controls a particular kind of insect. When people do not agree whether to build a bird house, a lawn sprinkler or a badminton court, science is no help. The issues that arise in society do so because people fail to agree what the problem is. There is no "science" to solve that. That you believe science is going to save the world is part of the problem. It isn't.
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Post by goz on Jun 11, 2019 8:17:52 GMT
Yes. I did. Public education, for all its faults, at least teaches children mainstream and accepted science. It has made our society what it is, and is reliable and progressive. (unlike you) Our society, upon which we all , even you, depend is scientifically bound. I am perfectly aware of what science has done and can do. I use math and science regularly. Notice on the Politics board I solved the cannonball stack problem. Our only difference is that you do not understand what science cannot do. Yes, there are things science cannot do. I've explained this enough times I shouldn't have to explain it again. If people agree they want to build a bird house, science can help. It can design a bird house for a particular kind of bird and perhaps one that controls a particular kind of insect. When people do not agree whether to build a bird house, a lawn sprinkler or a badminton court, science is no help. The issues that arise in society do so because people fail to agree what the problem is. There is no "science" to solve that. That you believe science is going to save the world is part of the problem. It isn't. For once, I think you have inadvertently articulated the problem between us. YOU have the mistaken belief that science is intend to solve ALL problems. I, however USE science to solve problems that are solvable WITH science which are most...NOT all. Those that are NOT should be by the use of humans with a new understanding of science, applying that to the way the world is NOW. YOU do not do this with your Creationism antique viewpoint.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 11, 2019 11:31:05 GMT
I am perfectly aware of what science has done and can do. I use math and science regularly. Notice on the Politics board I solved the cannonball stack problem. Our only difference is that you do not understand what science cannot do. Yes, there are things science cannot do. I've explained this enough times I shouldn't have to explain it again. If people agree they want to build a bird house, science can help. It can design a bird house for a particular kind of bird and perhaps one that controls a particular kind of insect. When people do not agree whether to build a bird house, a lawn sprinkler or a badminton court, science is no help. The issues that arise in society do so because people fail to agree what the problem is. There is no "science" to solve that. That you believe science is going to save the world is part of the problem. It isn't. For once, I think you have inadvertently articulated the problem between us. YOU have the mistaken belief that science is intend to solve ALL problems. I, however USE science to solve problems that are solvable WITH science which are most...NOT all. Those that are NOT should be by the use of humans with a new understanding of science, applying that to the way the world is NOW. YOU do not do this with your Creationism antique viewpoint. I highlighted the part that shows why you are not making any progress. Sure science is helpless, but "new" science isn't? That shows you really don't get it.
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Post by Isapop on Jun 11, 2019 12:58:45 GMT
a person with my academic ratings and accomplishments The fact that you are so willing in this forum to make extravagant claims that cannot be proven is evidence that you really don't understand or appreciate how science works.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 11, 2019 13:18:59 GMT
It is all spiritual, the entire journey here. However, I prefer the term holistic\wholistic.
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