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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 16, 2019 22:37:12 GMT
I am not the religious Catholic one that believes in a miracle holy mother and a supernatural child. Yes, I wonder who is projecting their own delusion. There were hundreds of witnesses to the Resurrection of said Supernatural Child, that were even willing to go to their deaths claiming it, rather than live denying it. Pretty strong stuff for a delusion, if you ask me.
Yeah, because the witnesses were deluded as well. Brainwashed, ignorant fools. Believing in a so-called holy scripture, that is centuries and centuries old is absurd. Use your brains and get real with the current world.
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Post by maya55555 on Jun 16, 2019 22:40:54 GMT
Toasted Cheese
Yeah, OK. A current world where you have fake news and are manipulated by a government fed by black ops.
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Post by clusium on Jun 16, 2019 22:54:18 GMT
There were hundreds of witnesses to the Resurrection of said Supernatural Child, that were even willing to go to their deaths claiming it, rather than live denying it. Pretty strong stuff for a delusion, if you ask me.
Yeah, because the witnesses were deluded as well. Brainwashed, ignorant fools. Believing in a so-called holy scripture, that is centuries and centuries old is absurd. Use your brains and get real with the current world.  all you like. It still does not negate the fact that these people all saw Our Lord Alive 3 days after His Crucifixion and Death, and endured severe tortured and death proclaiming it. Sacred Scripture is centuries & centuries old. Oooooohhhhhhh!!!!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!! Julius Ceaser lived before the Lord Jesus and His disciples, Cheesy. Therefore, your point was worthless.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 16, 2019 23:03:04 GMT
Yeah, because the witnesses were deluded as well. Brainwashed, ignorant fools. Believing in a so-called holy scripture, that is centuries and centuries old is absurd. Use your brains and get real with the current world. all you like. It still does not negate the fact that these people all saw Our Lord Alive 3 days after His Crucifixion and Death, and endured severe tortured and death proclaiming it. Sacred Scripture is centuries & centuries old. Oooooohhhhhhh!!!!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!! Julius Ceaser lived before the Lord Jesus and His disciples, Cheesy. Therefore, your point was worthless. You really are a silly woman.
You have never had a valid point regarding any deluded truths regarding holy scripture, we are discussing the supernatural aspects of the NT, not ancient Rome, and would all these witnesses please step forward to give their valid account........ 
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Post by clusium on Jun 16, 2019 23:19:25 GMT
all you like. It still does not negate the fact that these people all saw Our Lord Alive 3 days after His Crucifixion and Death, and endured severe tortured and death proclaiming it. Sacred Scripture is centuries & centuries old. Oooooohhhhhhh!!!!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!! Julius Ceaser lived before the Lord Jesus and His disciples, Cheesy. Therefore, your point was worthless. You really are a silly woman.
You have never had a valid point regarding any deluded truths regarding holy scripture, we are discussing the supernatural aspects of the NT, not ancient Rome, and would all these witnesses please step forward to give their valid account........ They did. They were: Stoned, Stabbed with a sword, Crucified, Beheaded by a sword, Boiled in hot oil, Thrown from the top of the temple & beaten with a club, Shot with a bow & arrow, Killed with an axe, Etc.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 17, 2019 1:23:48 GMT
You really are a silly woman.
You have never had a valid point regarding any deluded truths regarding holy scripture, we are discussing the supernatural aspects of the NT, not ancient Rome, and would all these witnesses please step forward to give their valid account........ They did. They were: Stoned, Stabbed with a sword, Crucified, Beheaded by a sword, Boiled in hot oil, Thrown from the top of the temple & beaten with a club, Shot with a bow & arrow, Killed with an axe, Etc. Many humans throughout the ages were treated inhumanly by their fellow man and still are, so what is your point?
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Post by clusium on Jun 17, 2019 3:32:07 GMT
They did. They were: Stoned, Stabbed with a sword, Crucified, Beheaded by a sword, Boiled in hot oil, Thrown from the top of the temple & beaten with a club, Shot with a bow & arrow, Killed with an axe, Etc. Many humans throughout the ages were treated inhumanly by their fellow man and still are, so what is your point? These people were killed for giving testimony that they saw the Risen Jesus, and that He Is Lord. They could have been spared all of this, by backtracking on their witness.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 17, 2019 4:13:25 GMT
Many humans throughout the ages were treated inhumanly by their fellow man and still are, so what is your point? These people were killed for giving testimony that they saw the Risen Jesus, and that He Is Lord. They could have been spared all of this, by backtracking on their witness. Even then, there was low tolerance levels for superstitious religious claptrap. Mentally ill then, mentally ill now...😒
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Post by clusium on Jun 17, 2019 4:39:27 GMT
These people were killed for giving testimony that they saw the Risen Jesus, and that He Is Lord. They could have been spared all of this, by backtracking on their witness. Even then, there was low tolerance levels for superstitious religious claptrap. Mentally ill then, mentally ill now...😒 Or, the Lord Had Risen from the Dead, and they would not lie about what they had witnessed.
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Post by dirtypillows on Jun 17, 2019 4:41:55 GMT
Does this have anything to do with "The Devils"? That was a weird, intense, extremely unpleasant movie. I don't like Ken Russell movies, from what I have seen.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 17, 2019 23:34:54 GMT
Does this have anything to do with "The Devils"? That was a weird, intense, extremely unpleasant movie. I don't like Ken Russell movies, from what I have seen. Ken Russell was a genuine artist, in spite of what many claim to be his excesses. That was his auteur's trademark. The Devils is perhaps his most controversial and disturbing film and was excised of a controversial sequence, The Rape Of Christ, due to the controlling and narrow-minded, puritanical and pious attitudes. I think the clip may have found its way onto you-tube. The film is perhaps one of his best and it is a tough watch, but he gets right to the heart and soul of the absolute hypocrisy, corruption and frenzied lunacy of the church and religion. Redgrave and Reed are both at the top of their game as well.
I would love a blu-ray box set of all his 70's and early 80's films. I feel Crimes Of Passion - 84', was his last best film. It was a bit too out-of-the-box and lurid for many though. Many of his films are still very potent today. In the late 80's, I didn't care much for Gothic - 86' at all, but did enjoy both Salome's Last Dance - 88' and Lair Of The White Worm - 88', which is a hoot. Whore - 91' was a bit flat and even silly I found. I never knew how to place or feel Theresa Russell as an actress either. Is she a bad actress, that gets feigned as being good, or a good actress that just appears bad???
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