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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 13, 2019 23:41:12 GMT
People tend to fear what is inevitable, so what is the point of fearing it? Death is perceived as the exact opposite of birth, as though it is an end to the beginning. What if death is really the beginning and birth is the end?
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Post by heeeeey on Jun 13, 2019 23:44:05 GMT
I believe that's how it is.
Being born here is actually death, and death is actually birth...except that we won't need diapers.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 13, 2019 23:48:52 GMT
I think it's the fear of the unknown. I'm trying to get over my fear of death but it's not easy. I believe it's about understanding one's place in the universe and accepting the inevitable. Easier said than done though lol. Even then, why fear the unknown, because what is it that is unknown? If death is perceived as the unknown, and death is inevitable, then the unknown is going to be revealed regardless. Or to some, not revealed, because they see death as the end.
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Post by Sulla on Jun 14, 2019 3:07:05 GMT
Back in the day I used to read Carlos Castaneda. I didn't believe much of what he claimed, but it was entertaining reading. He was allegedly taught to view death as an advisor.
I don't believe these are Castaneda's original ideas nor are they from a Yaqui mentor as he claimed. He got his PhD in anthropology and was suspected of hoodwinking his UCLA professors. I think it's likely he got these ideas from Eastern philosophies.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jun 14, 2019 3:43:33 GMT
I'm not looking forward to it and I hope I'm around a bit longer, but I don't really fear it.
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Post by Harmless elf on Jun 14, 2019 3:47:48 GMT
I don't think death should be feared but if death is like sleep and time goes by like nothing billions of years could go by and we could find ourselves brought back in some sort of hellish existence.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 14, 2019 7:15:31 GMT
Harmless elfThose who reject God will be in a 'hellish existence' (i.e. hell) when they pass from this life into the next and it's forever. so that's why people need to get their life right with God in this life so one is not on the wrong side when they pass from this life into the next.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 15, 2019 7:09:16 GMT
Harmless elf Those who reject God will be in a 'hellish existence' (i.e. hell) when they pass from this life into the next and it's forever. so that's why people need to get their life right with God in this life so one is not on the wrong side when they pass from this life into the next. Pass from this life into the next one, until the ultimate realization is attained about our true and genuine state of being. The hellish existence is actually right before our very eyes, along with a heavenly one. They exist only as one collective whole. That is the power of the Godforce of the universe, not some punishing and vengeful hateful Godthing like you believe in.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 15, 2019 7:10:42 GMT
I'm not looking forward to it and I hope I'm around a bit longer, but I don't really fear it. I think the biggest dilemma we ALL face surrounding death, is when it is going to happen and how.
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Post by Raimo47 on Jun 15, 2019 10:43:50 GMT
Harmless elf Those who reject God will be in a 'hellish existence' (i.e. hell) when they pass from this life into the next and it's forever. so that's why people need to get their life right with God in this life so one is not on the wrong side when they pass from this life into the next. Pass from this life into the next one, until the ultimate realization is attained about our true and genuine state of being. The hellish existence is actually right before our very eyes, along with a heavenly one. They exist only as one collective whole. That is the power of the Godforce of the universe, not some punishing and vengeful hateful Godthing like you believe in. To me that sounds much worse than Hell. I'd much rather be in hell for eternity than exist as an insentient part of a collective whole.
Fortunately, there is zero evidence for either option, so there is no need to fear them.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 15, 2019 12:14:24 GMT
Pass from this life into the next one, until the ultimate realization is attained about our true and genuine state of being. The hellish existence is actually right before our very eyes, along with a heavenly one. They exist only as one collective whole. That is the power of the Godforce of the universe, not some punishing and vengeful hateful Godthing like you believe in. To me that sounds much worse than Hell. I'd much rather be in hell for eternity than exist as an insentient part of a collective whole.
Fortunately, there is zero evidence for either option, so there is no need to fear them.
Well, you better get used to it and over it, because it is all part—there are no parts—of the same whole and you are insentient part of it whether you like it or not. Head or Tails, one is still left with the same change, which is the whole coin.
Take away the perception of heaven or hell and what is one left with?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 15, 2019 12:34:51 GMT
No, its to be welcomed like an old friend you have not seen in years.
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Post by Raimo47 on Jun 15, 2019 14:14:21 GMT
To me that sounds much worse than Hell. I'd much rather be in hell for eternity than exist as an insentient part of a collective whole.
Fortunately, there is zero evidence for either option, so there is no need to fear them.
Well, you better get used to it and over it, because it is all part—there are no parts—of the same whole and you are insentient part of it whether you like it or not. Head or Tails, one is still left with the same change, which is the whole coin.
Take away the perception of heaven or hell and what is one left with?
There is zero evidence to support your theory. It is merely a religious belief.
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Post by someguy on Jun 15, 2019 15:02:20 GMT
I WISH I didn’t fear death, but I do, and the fear will grow as I get closer to it. I just hope my fear of death makes me value my life more.
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Post by Nora on Jun 15, 2019 17:30:15 GMT
I think it's the fear of the unknown. I'm trying to get over my fear of death but it's not easy. I believe it's about understanding one's place in the universe and accepting the inevitable. Easier said than done though lol. yep same here. I didn’t fear death till about 35 years of age but now I really struggle with it and think I have to do some serious work to overcome this fear just so I can focus more on living than dying. How are you working on getting over it if you don’t mind me asking? I meditate... |
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Post by Nora on Jun 15, 2019 17:30:49 GMT
People tend to fear what is inevitable, so what is the point of fearing it? Death is perceived as the exact opposite of birth, as though it is an end to the beginning. What if death is really the beginning and birth is the end? We don’t know do we  . And it’s the not knowing that stresses me out |
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Post by mszanadu on Jun 15, 2019 18:48:18 GMT
IMPO - Also in my past experience in dealing
with death of family members or friends
these 2 stories always gave me
the most comfort to not ever be afraid of it
because for me it always meant
I was never truly alone in this world
or in the universe either  .
The story of the caterpillar and butterfly
AND
Thanks so much Toasted Cheese for this subject post  .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 19:22:07 GMT
it's to be reviled.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jun 15, 2019 19:47:47 GMT
I confronted my own mortality 30 years ago at age 35; I was diagnosed with stage 2 cancer, and had watched several loved ones die of it. So I don't fear death, just a long, suffering dying process. Death, in my view, is just ceasing to exist. No different from not being born yet.
I've had 30 more years of life because of the advances in medical science, so I can't complain.
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Post by telegonus on Jun 15, 2019 19:56:18 GMT
I find it difficult to not be afraid of death. As to life, it's even at its best a mixed blessing as I see it. It's never all good, and sometimes it's awful, and always changing in one way or another. I think we're programmed to fear death. We cling to life because it's often very good and always the only thing we know. The alternative, death, nothingness, so far as we can tell, feels like a void, but then it may not be. Maybe life is a prelude to something better. Or something worse  Ah, there's the rub... |
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Ah, there's the rub...