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Post by marsatax on Jun 15, 2019 0:15:46 GMT
The BDS goal is to bring Israel down. They admit it. The goal of BDS is to end Israel’s apartheid policies and unjust treatment of the Palestinians. It should frighten anyone that Mossad is trying to take down people for exercising their right to free speech, and knowing how evil Mossad is, they will likely use violence in order to try to destroy BDS.
The goal of BDS is to end Israel’s apartheid policies
And since Israel has NO apartheid policies, BDS is basically a lie. Thank you for admitting that.
and unjust treatment of the Palestinians.
If a people like the Palestinians repeatedly tries to destroy you, your family, and your country, I do not consider it "unjust" to fight back. Unless of course Israel's "Chosenites"" are vermin who do not deserve the right of self-defense.
It should frighten anyone that Mossad is trying to take down people for exercising their right to free speech
If Mossad is trying to do that, it is doing a lousy job. Just look at the Israel-bashing at the UN.
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Post by marsatax on Jun 15, 2019 0:20:38 GMT
I doubt that he wants ALL Jews to die. But he DOES think it would have been better if 200,000 MORE Jews had been murdered in the Holocaust (so that they would not be able to escape to Palestine). And he even thinks Jesus Christ would agree with him. I wish I were an artist. I could write a caption "Arvid's View of the World", and draw Jesus with a machine gun killing children as a member of the Einsatzgruppen, or dropping Zyklon B crystals into the gas chambers. LOL.
I'll believe it when I hear it from him. He and I aren't friends, but it's the least I would want for myself.
That's fair. But I have saved some dialog the two of us had. You can ask him to confirm it:
Mars: “The 1939 British White Paper, which cut off Palestine to Jewish immigration, cost hundreds of thousands of lives and was one of history's biggest mistakes.”
Arvid: “The world would have been better off if the White Papers had come sooner.”
Mars: “Then even more Jews would have perished in the Holocaust. Do you really think that would have been better?”
Arvid: “Unquestionably, yes.”
Mars: “Well at least you are honest. Would you like me to put this little segment of dialog as my signature? I think you would be embarrassed. A good paraphrase would be: Arvid believes that a larger Genocide, with more Jews being murdered and less escaping to Palestine, would have been unquestionably better for the world.”
Arvid: “If you respected my honesty, please quote directly and paraphrase as little as possible. I would also prefer if you included a negative consequence (Ex: Arvid believes that rather than destabilizing the whole Middle East . . .).”
Mars: “Fair enough. You think Genocide is better than ‘instability’.”
On another occasion:
Mars: Would your Jesus Christ agree with you [that it would have been better if hundreds of thousands more women and children had been sent to the gas chambers]?
Yes or no?
Arvid: Given he unleashed the black death, spanish flu, Ghengis Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Attila the Hun, Mt. Vesious(sp) erupting, the Year Without a Summer, etc., yeah he would.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 15, 2019 0:26:27 GMT
I'll believe it when I hear it from him. He and I aren't friends, but it's the least I would want for myself.
That's fair. But I have saved some dialog the two of us had. You can ask him to confirm it:
Mars: “The 1939 British White Paper, which cut off Palestine to Jewish immigration, cost hundreds of thousands of lives and was one of history's biggest mistakes.”
Arvid: “The world would have been better off if the White Papers had come sooner.”
Mars: “Then even more Jews would have perished in the Holocaust. Do you really think that would have been better?”
Arvid: “Unquestionably, yes.”
Mars: “Well at least you are honest. Would you like me to put this little segment of dialog as my signature? I think you would be embarrassed. A good paraphrase would be: Arvid believes that a larger Genocide, with more Jews being murdered and less escaping to Palestine, would have been unquestionably better for the world.”
Arvid: “If you respected my honesty, please quote directly and paraphrase as little as possible. I would also prefer if you included a negative consequence (Ex: Arvid believes that rather than destabilizing the whole Middle East . . .).”
Mars: “Fair enough. You think Genocide is better than ‘instability’.”
On another occasion:
Mars: Would your Jesus Christ agree with you [that it would have been better if hundreds of thousands more women and children had been sent to the gas chambers]?
Yes or no?
Arvid: Given he unleashed the black death, spanish flu, Ghengis Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Attila the Hun, Mt. Vesious(sp) erupting, the Year Without a Summer, etc., yeah he would.
Interesting. Do you think the atomic bombs used on Japan saved more lives than they killed? I do.
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Post by marsatax on Jun 15, 2019 0:34:13 GMT
That's fair. But I have saved some dialog the two of us had. You can ask him to confirm it:
Mars: “The 1939 British White Paper, which cut off Palestine to Jewish immigration, cost hundreds of thousands of lives and was one of history's biggest mistakes.”
Arvid: “The world would have been better off if the White Papers had come sooner.”
Mars: “Then even more Jews would have perished in the Holocaust. Do you really think that would have been better?”
Arvid: “Unquestionably, yes.”
Mars: “Well at least you are honest. Would you like me to put this little segment of dialog as my signature? I think you would be embarrassed. A good paraphrase would be: Arvid believes that a larger Genocide, with more Jews being murdered and less escaping to Palestine, would have been unquestionably better for the world.”
Arvid: “If you respected my honesty, please quote directly and paraphrase as little as possible. I would also prefer if you included a negative consequence (Ex: Arvid believes that rather than destabilizing the whole Middle East . . .).”
Mars: “Fair enough. You think Genocide is better than ‘instability’.”
On another occasion:
Mars: Would your Jesus Christ agree with you [that it would have been better if hundreds of thousands more women and children had been sent to the gas chambers]?
Yes or no?
Arvid: Given he unleashed the black death, spanish flu, Ghengis Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Attila the Hun, Mt. Vesious(sp) erupting, the Year Without a Summer, etc., yeah he would.
Interesting. Do you think the atomic bombs used on Japan saved more lives than they killed? I do.
Yes, I do also. But I would NEVER wish that MORE Japanese people had perished in the bombings.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 15, 2019 0:43:59 GMT
Interesting. Do you think the atomic bombs used on Japan saved more lives than they killed? I do.
Yes, I do also. But I would NEVER wish that MORE Japanese people had perished in the bombings.
Neither would I. If more Allied paratroopers had died in Operation Market-Garden the war in Europe would have been shortened by about a year, and more lives would have been saved. By saying that, am I saying that I wish more Allied paratroopers had died? We could play games like this forever.
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Post by marsatax on Jun 15, 2019 1:02:18 GMT
Yes, I do also. But I would NEVER wish that MORE Japanese people had perished in the bombings.
Neither would I. If more Allied paratroopers had died in Operation Market-Garden the war in Europe would have been shortened by about a year, and more lives would have been saved. By saying that, am I saying that I wish more Allied paratroopers had died? We could play games like this forever.
Except that Arvid wishes that the 200,000 Jews who escaped to Palestine in the 1930s had stayed in Europe and been murdered. The number of people killed in ALL of Israel's wars is nowhere near 200,000. It's more like 80,000.
He honestly believes that Genocide is better than "instability". Which is ironic, since he is always quoting international law to me, and international law considers Genocide to be a crime, but not instability.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 15, 2019 1:25:00 GMT
Neither would I. If more Allied paratroopers had died in Operation Market-Garden the war in Europe would have been shortened by about a year, and more lives would have been saved. By saying that, am I saying that I wish more Allied paratroopers had died? We could play games like this forever.
Except that Arvid wishes that the 200,000 Jews who escaped to Palestine in the 1930s had stayed in Europe and been murdered. The number of people killed in ALL of Israel's wars is nowhere near 200,000. It's more like 80,000.
He honestly believes that Genocide is better than "instability". Which is ironic, since he is always quoting international law to me, and international law considers Genocide to be a crime, but not instability.
If I said I wished the modern state of Israel had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone? If I said I wished the United States of America had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone? The US and Israel are blights on the world, in my humble opinion. If you don't agree, that's cool. It doesn't mean I hate you.
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Post by marsatax on Jun 15, 2019 2:53:25 GMT
Except that Arvid wishes that the 200,000 Jews who escaped to Palestine in the 1930s had stayed in Europe and been murdered. The number of people killed in ALL of Israel's wars is nowhere near 200,000. It's more like 80,000.
He honestly believes that Genocide is better than "instability". Which is ironic, since he is always quoting international law to me, and international law considers Genocide to be a crime, but not instability.
If I said I wished the modern state of Israel had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone? If I said I wished the United States of America had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone? The US and Israel are blights on the world, in my humble opinion. If you don't agree, that's cool. It doesn't mean I hate you.
If I said I wished the modern state of Israel had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone?
Not necessarily. But it WOULD mean that you have contempt for the idea of self-determination.
I would also point out that Israel became independent in 1948, but if it had existed just a few years earlier, hundreds of thousands, or perhaps even millions, of lives could have been saved.
If I said I wished the United States of America had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone?
Again, not necessarily. But it would mean you oppose self-determination.
The US and Israel are blights on the world, in my humble opinion. If you don't agree, that's cool.
I DEFINITELY don't agree. America and Israel are two of the most wonderful countries in the world.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 15, 2019 3:02:17 GMT
If I said I wished the modern state of Israel had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone? If I said I wished the United States of America had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone? The US and Israel are blights on the world, in my humble opinion. If you don't agree, that's cool. It doesn't mean I hate you.
If I said I wished the modern state of Israel had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone?
Not necessarily. But it WOULD mean that you have contempt for the idea of self-determination.
I would also point out that Israel became independent in 1948, but if it had existed just a few years earlier, hundreds of thousands, or perhaps even millions, of lives could have been saved.
If I said I wished the United States of America had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone?
Again, not necessarily. But it would mean you oppose self-determination.
The US and Israel are blights on the world, in my humble opinion. If you don't agree, that's cool.
I DEFINITELY don't agree. America and Israel are two of the most wonderful countries in the world.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this, sir. If I'm not mistaken Israel declared itself sovereign in 1944 but wasn't a recognized country until 1948.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on Jun 15, 2019 3:58:31 GMT
Except that Arvid wishes that the 200,000 Jews who escaped to Palestine in the 1930s had stayed in Europe and been murdered. The number of people killed in ALL of Israel's wars is nowhere near 200,000. It's more like 80,000.
He honestly believes that Genocide is better than "instability". Which is ironic, since he is always quoting international law to me, and international law considers Genocide to be a crime, but not instability.
If I said I wished the modern state of Israel had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone? If I said I wished the United States of America had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone? The US and Israel are blights on the world, in my humble opinion. If you don't agree, that's cool. It doesn't mean I hate you. I agree with you on Isreal but not the US. Partly because I know countries like Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Soviet Union, Post Soviet Russia, and China would all have been 100 times worse, hell most have committed genocide or mass ethnic cleansing worse than anything the US has done in the last 100 years.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 15, 2019 4:13:10 GMT
If I said I wished the modern state of Israel had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone? If I said I wished the United States of America had never existed at all, would that be wishing death on anyone? The US and Israel are blights on the world, in my humble opinion. If you don't agree, that's cool. It doesn't mean I hate you. I agree with you on Isreal but not the US. Partly because I know countries like Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Soviet Union, Post Soviet Russia, and China would all have been 100 times worse, hell most have committed genocide or mass ethnic cleansing worse than anything the US has done in the last 100 years. It was a difficult lump for me to swallow. I was born here. Look up Japanese Unit 731. The US bought those guys. They bought Nazi war criminals too. They would have bought Mussolini Black Shirts if those guys had any knowledge to sell, but they didn't.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on Jun 15, 2019 4:21:39 GMT
I agree with you on Isreal but not the US. Partly because I know countries like Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Soviet Union, Post Soviet Russia, and China would all have been 100 times worse, hell most have committed genocide or mass ethnic cleansing worse than anything the US has done in the last 100 years. It was a difficult lump for me to swallow. I was born here. Look up Japanese Unit 731. The US bought those guys. They bought Nazi war criminals too. They would have bought Mussolini Black Shirts if those guys had any knowledge to sell, but they didn't. Well, the Soviets did a show trial in 1949 and then let everyone free before the 50s were over (most only serving a couple of years), meanwhile they took the data and started their own bio weapons division. Soviets also bought plenty of Nazis. And you are kidding yourself that the Russians wouldn't have bought the Black Shirts.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 15, 2019 4:30:22 GMT
It was a difficult lump for me to swallow. I was born here. Look up Japanese Unit 731. The US bought those guys. They bought Nazi war criminals too. They would have bought Mussolini Black Shirts if those guys had any knowledge to sell, but they didn't. Well, the Soviets did a show trial in 1949 and then let everyone free before the 50s were over (most only serving a couple of years), meanwhile they took the data and started their own bio weapons division. Soviets also bought plenty of Nazis. And you are kidding yourself that the Russians wouldn't have bought the Black Shirts. What do you think about waterboarding? It was done to save American lives. And Klaus Barbie did what he did to save German lives.
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Post by papamihel on Jun 15, 2019 4:34:34 GMT
The US and Israel are blights on the world, in my humble opinion. You are talking about the two countries who are doing the most for the future of humanity. For a better future.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 15, 2019 4:36:24 GMT
The US and Israel are blights on the world, in my humble opinion. You are talking about the two countries who are doing the most for the future of humanity. For a better future. Screw the future of humanity.
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Post by papamihel on Jun 15, 2019 4:41:12 GMT
You are talking about the two countries who are doing the most for the future of humanity. For a better future. Screw the future of humanity. Why?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 15, 2019 4:49:02 GMT
Screw the future of humanity. Why? It's somewhat religious and might delve into matters which are beyond your grasp and the scope of this board.
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Post by papamihel on Jun 15, 2019 5:11:56 GMT
It's somewhat religious and might delve into matters which are beyond your grasp and the scope of this board. Now I'm intrigued.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 15, 2019 5:14:22 GMT
It's somewhat religious and might delve into matters which are beyond your grasp and the scope of this board. Now I'm intrigued. The last time we talked you asked me if we were talking about prophecy, and I said yes. I expected a comeback, and I got.....nothing.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on Jun 15, 2019 5:24:53 GMT
Well, the Soviets did a show trial in 1949 and then let everyone free before the 50s were over (most only serving a couple of years), meanwhile they took the data and started their own bio weapons division. Soviets also bought plenty of Nazis. And you are kidding yourself that the Russians wouldn't have bought the Black Shirts. What do you think about waterboarding? It was done to save American lives. And Klaus Barbie did what he did to save German lives. Barring the nuclear weapon situation, I have no real use for torture beyond training our own soldiers to resist it, which means being pro waterboarding of American troops. Furthermore, we should be playing to our strengths, and torture isn't brand America.
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