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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 23:31:00 GMT
... that isn't 'sin'?
Are all 'shameful' things sin?
Are all things 'abomination' sin?
Are all things god merely disapproves of sin?
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Post by goz on Jun 17, 2019 23:52:33 GMT
...independent non-compliant women?
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Post by progressiveelement on Jun 18, 2019 0:03:04 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 18, 2019 0:07:24 GMT
What things does God find shameful, abominable, or disapproving that isn't already tied to a sin?
It's not like there's that may of them.
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Post by goz on Jun 18, 2019 0:09:39 GMT
What things does God find shameful, abominable, or disapproving that isn't already tied to a sin? It's not like there's that may of them.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 18, 2019 0:10:28 GMT
What things does God find shameful, abominable, or disapproving that isn't already tied to a sin? It's not like there's that may of them. Like who?
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Post by goz on Jun 18, 2019 0:13:17 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 18, 2019 0:15:02 GMT
She was independent for following a snake? Did God like Adam more? 
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Post by goz on Jun 18, 2019 0:18:51 GMT
She was independent for following a snake? Did God like Adam more? Well, You Christians can't have it both ways. God either tempted her knowing her response and then blamed her, OR she was an independent woman with a mind of her own and then God blamed her for the sins of all mankind. Let's face it, she couldn't and still now women can't win in terms of the male/ female power play.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 18, 2019 0:20:51 GMT
She was independent for following a snake? Did God like Adam more? Well, You Christians can't have it both ways. God either tempted her knowing her response and then blamed her, OR she was an independent woman with a mind of her own and then God blamed her for the sins of all mankind. Let's face it, she couldn't and still now women can't win in terms of the male/ female power play. Bwahahahahaha! Yep, those are the only options! 
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Post by goz on Jun 18, 2019 0:25:56 GMT
Well, You Christians can't have it both ways. God either tempted her knowing her response and then blamed her, OR she was an independent woman with a mind of her own and then God blamed her for the sins of all mankind. Let's face it, she couldn't and still now women can't win in terms of the male/ female power play. Bwahahahahaha! Yep, those are the only options! Hypothetically, what other choices do you think that the allegorical and mythical Eve had, that youare supposed to believe in? She was basically screwed over, much like 'Mary'!
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Post by gadreel on Jun 18, 2019 1:46:56 GMT
Bwahahahahaha! Yep, those are the only options! Hypothetically, what other choices do you think that the allegorical and mythical Eve had, that youare supposed to believe in? She was basically screwed over, much like 'Mary'! You are aware of course that the tempter in the garden is generally considered to be Satan not God right?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 18, 2019 1:52:51 GMT
Hypothetically, what other choices do you think that the allegorical and mythical Eve had, that youare supposed to believe in? She was basically screwed over, much like 'Mary'! You are aware of course that the tempter in the garden is generally considered to be Satan not God right? Theophobiacs routinely think 1. Satan is just doing God's will. 2. Everything is preordained. 3. God allowed it so that means he wanted it.
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Post by gadreel on Jun 18, 2019 2:00:07 GMT
You are aware of course that the tempter in the garden is generally considered to be Satan not God right? Theophobiacs routinely think 1. Satan is just doing God's will. 2. Everything is preordained. 3. God allowed it so that means he wanted it. And they may be right, but the point is that the tempter is Satan, not God, and no matter what you think God's role was in the temptation (bearing in mind that there is also an argument that God IS Satan) the fact is the story implicates Satan and there is a good reason for that.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 18, 2019 2:02:29 GMT
Theophobiacs routinely think 1. Satan is just doing God's will. 2. Everything is preordained. 3. God allowed it so that means he wanted it. And they may be right, but the point is that the tempter is Satan, not God, and no matter what you think God's role was in the temptation (bearing in mind that there is also an argument that God IS Satan) the fact is the story implicates Satan and there is a good reason for that. Everything is God's fault. Any statement that leads to that main point is up for grabs.
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Post by gadreel on Jun 18, 2019 2:07:58 GMT
And they may be right, but the point is that the tempter is Satan, not God, and no matter what you think God's role was in the temptation (bearing in mind that there is also an argument that God IS Satan) the fact is the story implicates Satan and there is a good reason for that. Everything is God's fault. Any statement that leads to that main point is up for grabs. Well God IS the source of everything so at the end of the day it was all caused by God, if God is also Omniscient and out of time then he knew it was going to go that way. It's hard to relieve the creator of blame if you hold it to be omniscient.
I am simply pointing out that the narrative is that it was not God in the garden, and (although it is actually not mentioned) generally it is thought to be Satan that tempts Eve, there must be a reason that it was written that way, and it also means that Eve was not the one at fault.
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Post by goz on Jun 18, 2019 2:17:13 GMT
Hypothetically, what other choices do you think that the allegorical and mythical Eve had, that youare supposed to believe in? She was basically screwed over, much like 'Mary'! You are aware of course that the tempter in the garden is generally considered to be Satan not God right? With respect you are totally missing the point. God either knew about the whole deal and created it, allowed it, or what else? ...gave her freedom of choice...or what is it that you Christians call it...free will? The whole point about free will is that BOTH THEN and now, one needs a knowledge base upon which to make a decision. This was absent and otherwise it cannot be considered 'free will'.
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Post by gadreel on Jun 18, 2019 2:29:47 GMT
You are aware of course that the tempter in the garden is generally considered to be Satan not God right? With respect you are totally missing the point. God either knew about the whole deal and created it, allowed it, or what else? ...gave her freedom of choice...or what is it that you Christians call it...free will? The whole point about free will is that BOTH THEN and now, one needs a knowledge base upon which to make a decision. This was absent and otherwise it cannot be considered 'free will'. What knowledge exactly did she not have? God told her not to eat of the tree, she therefore knew it was wrong, this is why the snake was forced to tempt her. As predicted you have gone down the God knew so he planned it route, but you should really read what I have written to cool regarding that, there is a reason in the story that the serpent tempted eve. So no. it was not god that tempted Eve, and she had all the knowledge she needed.
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Post by goz on Jun 18, 2019 3:07:37 GMT
With respect you are totally missing the point. God either knew about the whole deal and created it, allowed it, or what else? ...gave her freedom of choice...or what is it that you Christians call it...free will? The whole point about free will is that BOTH THEN and now, one needs a knowledge base upon which to make a decision. This was absent and otherwise it cannot be considered 'free will'. What knowledge exactly did she not have? God told her not to eat of the tree, she therefore knew it was wrong, this is why the snake was forced to tempt her. As predicted you have gone down the God knew so he planned it route, but you should really read what I have written to cool regarding that, there is a reason in the story that the serpent tempted eve. So no. it was not god that tempted Eve, and she had all the knowledge she needed. Sweetpea! IF you are the first woman in the word, how could you possibly have ALL knowledge that you need to know about the duplicity of men, either Satan or God or even the fucking snake and how the system is designed to screw you over?
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 18, 2019 9:03:00 GMT
Dinosaurs. Had them all killed during the flood. Every other species made it...
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