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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 18, 2019 15:56:22 GMT
Why not use that as a guiding principle, minding your own business? It's so simple and universal. It sounds fair. It doesn't require any esoteric knowledge or information. It's not exactly religion, but it isn't inaccessible science either. It could move forward with universally accessible science and lots of people in agreement, no more divisiveness.
One big obstacle is the economy. I don't mean its general health, I mean its type. It is not the same economy it was when the United States was founded. Back then the family farm could mind its own business. It was far less dependent on outside resources and labor.
Of course it is still possible to do that, but few people do. So if Republicans, for example, want to lead a campaign to get people to mind their own business, the Democrats, in that case, are going to complain about how much Republicans depend on the contributions of Democrats.
Well, back to the drawing board.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 18, 2019 17:11:24 GMT
"Why not use that as a guiding principle, minding your own business? It's so simple and universal."
It really isn't that simple. If you neighbor decides to burn their own house down for some weird, inane reason, you could make an appeal to Ayn Randianism ("Well what do I care, it's not my house, let them do whatever they want to their property"), though obviously you wouldn't want the fire spreading over to your house, so it does end up becoming your concern.
"It is not the same economy it was when the United States was founded"
Well obviously, a pre-industrial, pre-capitalism, and pre-globalism economy is clearly gonna be way different from the economy today.
"It was far less dependent on outside resources and labor."
How do you figure that? The south pretty much built it's economy on importing cheap slave labor from Africa. The railroads were built from Chinese laborers. The north kept importing immigrants from Ireland to do their manual labor.
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Post by general313 on Jun 18, 2019 17:31:22 GMT
People that really want to mind their own business separate themselves from what goes on in Washington. For example, the Amish. But you're not going to find people like them posting on this forum.
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Post by rizdek on Jun 18, 2019 17:46:44 GMT
It may or may not be a good guiding principle, but it's not human nature. I think humans tend to be involved in other's business by nature. I think it's how we evolved...to be gregarious and social. We've adapted to, to some extent, depend on each other. And we're instinctively judgmental.
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Post by Isapop on Jun 18, 2019 18:09:33 GMT
Of course it is still possible to do that, but few people do. So if Republicans, for example, want to lead a campaign to get people to mind their own business, the Democrats, in that case, are going to complain about how much Republicans depend on the contributions of Democrats. Well, back to the drawing board. OK, supposing we Democrats agree to put our complaints on hold long enough to hear you out. Give us one or two Republican suggestions for the ways that people could start minding their own business.
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Post by maya55555 on Jun 18, 2019 18:23:16 GMT
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Post by thefleetsin on Jun 18, 2019 20:44:02 GMT
minding your own business?
tell that to apple as they continue to exploit the chinese.
the latest is suicide netting around the high rises the employees live in.
america was built on glorified exploitation. an exploitation deemed a business necessity if the gospels were to be perpetuated to generations of family heirs.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 18, 2019 21:11:22 GMT
"Why not use that as a guiding principle, minding your own business? It's so simple and universal." It really isn't that simple. If you neighbor decides to burn their own house down for some weird, inane reason, you could make an appeal to Ayn Randianism ("Well what do I care, it's not my house, let them do whatever they want to their property"), though obviously you wouldn't want the fire spreading over to your house, so it does end up becoming your concern. "It is not the same economy it was when the United States was founded" Well obviously, a pre-industrial, pre-capitalism, and pre-globalism economy is clearly gonna be way different from the economy today. "It was far less dependent on outside resources and labor." How do you figure that? The south pretty much built it's economy on importing cheap slave labor from Africa. The railroads were built from Chinese laborers. The north kept importing immigrants from Ireland to do their manual labor. In 1776 the economy was about 98 percent rural. Now it is about 2 percent rural, a dramatic turn around. The southern states definitely had a problem already from the outset, not so in the northern ones. You're right, your example of someone burning down his own house doesn't have much to do with anything.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 18, 2019 21:32:58 GMT
Of course it is still possible to do that, but few people do. So if Republicans, for example, want to lead a campaign to get people to mind their own business, the Democrats, in that case, are going to complain about how much Republicans depend on the contributions of Democrats. Well, back to the drawing board. OK, supposing we Democrats agree to put our complaints on hold long enough to hear you out. Give us one or two Republican suggestions for the ways that people could start minding their own business. Feed and take care of your own kids.
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Post by Isapop on Jun 18, 2019 21:46:38 GMT
OK, supposing we Democrats agree to put our complaints on hold long enough to hear you out. Give us one or two Republican suggestions for the ways that people could start minding their own business. Feed and take care of your own kids. Brilliant! I was a fool to doubt you!
What WILL they think of next?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 2:44:11 GMT
Of course it is still possible to do that, but few people do. So if Republicans, for example, want to lead a campaign to get people to mind their own business, the Democrats, in that case, are going to complain about how much Republicans depend on the contributions of Democrats. Well, back to the drawing board. OK, supposing we Democrats agree to put our complaints on hold long enough to hear you out. Give us one or two Republican suggestions for the ways that people could start minding their own business. By making life easier and more lucrative for rich people, of course. It's what all republican suggestions boil down to.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 19, 2019 3:01:59 GMT
OK, supposing we Democrats agree to put our complaints on hold long enough to hear you out. Give us one or two Republican suggestions for the ways that people could start minding their own business. By making life easier and more lucrative for rich people, of course. It's what all republican suggestions boil down to. I think I was about 12 when I found out about "Trickle Down" economics and even then I thought it was kinda silly. I was thinking "Wait, there's actually grown adults that believe that?" 
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 19, 2019 3:05:01 GMT
OK, supposing we Democrats agree to put our complaints on hold long enough to hear you out. Give us one or two Republican suggestions for the ways that people could start minding their own business. Feed and take care of your own kids. Well things like a livable minimum wage, universal healthcare, free college, and rent control would make it easier to do that. But you're probably against those too. Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And then eat your boot when you can't afford food.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 19, 2019 4:21:02 GMT
Feed and take care of your own kids. Well things like a livable minimum wage, universal healthcare, free college, and rent control would make it easier to do that. But you're probably against those too. Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And then eat your boot when you can't afford food. I would like to believe that I am not your enemy and that I would not compel you to do anything or suffer anything against your well studied beliefs. I suppose most people would like to believe that about themselves already -- so the point of the thread.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 19, 2019 4:40:39 GMT
Why not use that as a guiding principle, minding your own business? It's so simple and universal. It sounds fair. It doesn't require any esoteric knowledge or information. It's not exactly religion, but it isn't inaccessible science either. It could move forward with universally accessible science and lots of people in agreement, no more divisiveness. LGBT folk have been saying this since ... forever. 
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 19, 2019 4:43:08 GMT
It is not the same economy it was when the United States was founded. Back then the family farm could mind its own business. It was far less dependent on outside resources and labor. Oh, you mean back during slavery and when it was ok to steal Natives' land?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 19, 2019 4:54:35 GMT
It is not the same economy it was when the United States was founded. Back then the family farm could mind its own business. It was far less dependent on outside resources and labor. Oh, you mean back during slavery and when it was ok to steal Natives' land? I mean back when there was so much land no one missed it. I did not mean to pardon those instances of putting natives out of their subsistence. In comparison today the middle class is expected to hand over its hard earned spot in the crazy scheme. I realize there is little land left now for newcomers in the United States. Isn't it weird how people from countries with more open land want to flee from them here?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 19, 2019 4:59:28 GMT
Why not use that as a guiding principle, minding your own business? It's so simple and universal. It sounds fair. It doesn't require any esoteric knowledge or information. It's not exactly religion, but it isn't inaccessible science either. It could move forward with universally accessible science and lots of people in agreement, no more divisiveness. LGBT folk have been saying this since ... forever. And saying that they are good parents, don't forget. I suppose some heterosexual parents are worse parents, but I still like the basic plan that favors biological ones. Call me old fashioned.
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Post by Isapop on Jun 19, 2019 10:30:55 GMT
LGBT folk have been saying this since ... forever. And saying that they are good parents, don't forget. I suppose some heterosexual parents are worse parents, but I still like the basic plan that favors biological ones. Call me old fashioned. And the old fashioned basic plan is in no danger of being replaced. But remarks like yours here feed the bigoted notion that welcoming others to also take part poses a threat.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 19, 2019 10:38:03 GMT
And saying that they are good parents, don't forget. I suppose some heterosexual parents are worse parents, but I still like the basic plan that favors biological ones. Call me old fashioned. And the old fashioned basic plan is in no danger of being replaced. But remarks like yours here feed the bigoted notion that welcoming others to also take part poses a threat. What do you want me to do, bake you a cake? 1. I'm not a baker. 2. Asking people with whom you obviously have strong differences to prepare your food is not plan I would use.
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