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Post by Isapop on Jun 20, 2019 13:04:38 GMT
School teacher out of a job because his religious beliefs stop him from addressing trans students by their chosen first names. (The school let him get away with using their last names for a while, but then said, "No more of that.") So, the teacher is suing because the school failed to accommodate his religious beliefs. www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/50624-lawsuit-schools-transgender-policy-violated-teachers-religious-beliefsI side with the school on this one. If the teacher can't do his job without also signaling that he is stigmatizing some students, he needs to go. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 20, 2019 13:10:34 GMT
As long as the name change was legally recognized, the teacher should’ve abided.
Otherwise a teacher should be obligated to call students by their given name.
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Post by Isapop on Jun 20, 2019 13:31:28 GMT
As long as the name change was legally recognized, the teacher should’ve abided. Otherwise a teacher should be obligated to call students by their given name. Legal status of the name is irrelevant in this dispute.
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Post by thefleetsin on Jun 20, 2019 15:00:40 GMT
which symbol are we dying for this time
if spiritual stupidity
could be bottled and sold
at a pharmacy
perhaps you too might see
that
there's no more power in the letter t
then
there would be
if you took fifteen or so sadducee
and mentioned to them
it's past time for you
to get
several real jobs.
as then
my friend
you'd be on the off ramp
from their freeway of
play pretend.
and
they'd be
desperately seeking solace from
the same old recycled spin.
sjw 06/20/19 inspired at this very moment in time by a tisket a tasket what's up with the shriveled body parts in the glass encased basket.
from the 'blasphemy series' of poems
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 15:28:03 GMT
What a prick... shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 15:30:36 GMT
As long as the name change was legally recognized, the teacher should’ve abided. Otherwise a teacher should be obligated to call students by their given name. Don't be a twat. You should call people with the name they self-identify as. Not what you or a law deems appropriate. Other people's gender identity is none of your business. |
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Post by shadrack on Jun 20, 2019 15:57:13 GMT
As long as the name change was legally recognized, the teacher should’ve abided. Otherwise a teacher should be obligated to call students by their given name. Right, so no Bobby or Libby. In class the teacher should be OBLIGATED to refer to them at all times as Robert and Elizabeth. In fact, why stop there? The teacher should be obligated to use middle names too. No exceptions. 
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 20, 2019 15:58:15 GMT
As long as the name change was legally recognized, the teacher should’ve abided. Otherwise a teacher should be obligated to call students by their given name. Legal status of the name is irrelevant in this dispute. Doesnthe dispute have anything to do with what I said? However I have no reason to think that a teacher should be obligated to call kids what they want to be called which it seems is what the dispute boils down to. They should fire him when the parents take the child’s identity seriously as seriously as the teacher takes his beliefs. It sounds like the proncipal just doesn’t like it. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 20, 2019 16:04:56 GMT
As long as the name change was legally recognized, the teacher should’ve abided. Otherwise a teacher should be obligated to call students by their given name. Right, so no Bobby or Libby. In class the teacher should be OBLIGATED to refer to them at all times as Robert and Elizabeth. In fact, why stop there? The teacher should be obligated to use middle names too. No exceptions. He shouldn’t be calling them officially by nicknames unless the kid is ok with it and he doesn’t mind. I think the teacher came up with a decent compromise. This example is akin to the teacher getting fired for not calling the kid by their nickname which is silly. If the child’s gender identity is that important then the first thing to be done is a name change. Why wouldn’t a parent change their name? This may not change the religious dudes view, but the firing would have better foundation. And to be clear that may be the case here which is why I typed what I typed. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 20, 2019 16:16:02 GMT
As long as the name change was legally recognized, the teacher should’ve abided. Otherwise a teacher should be obligated to call students by their given name. Don't be a twat. You should call people with the name they self-identify as. Not what you or a law deems appropriate. Other people's gender identity is none of your business. so if a kid wanted to be called Butty McButtface we should comply or lose our job? Sounds fair. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 16:21:31 GMT
Don't be a twat. You should call people with the name they self-identify as. Not what you or a law deems appropriate. Other people's gender identity is none of your business. so if a kid wanted to be called Butty McButtface we should comply or lose our job? Sounds fair. If your eye offends you... Again, not your business to assign people names. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 20, 2019 16:47:20 GMT
so if a kid wanted to be called Butty McButtface we should comply or lose our job? Sounds fair. If your eye offends you... Again, not your business to assign people names. its not the governments businessto force people acknowledge unofficial names and yet here we are. |
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Post by Isapop on Jun 20, 2019 16:50:47 GMT
Legal status of the name is irrelevant in this dispute. However I have no reason to think that a teacher should be obligated to call kids what they want to be called which it seems is what the dispute boils down to. No. The new names were accepted by the school board and replaced their given names on the school board's data base.Not so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 16:56:36 GMT
If your eye offends you... Again, not your business to assign people names. its not the governments businessto force people acknowledge unofficial names and yet here we are. What the fuck is an 'official' name? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 20, 2019 17:01:44 GMT
its not the governments businessto force people acknowledge unofficial names and yet here we are. What the fuck is an 'official' name? Legal name is the official name. I didn’t realize that would confuse so my apologies. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 20, 2019 17:08:18 GMT
However I have no reason to think that a teacher should be obligated to call kids what they want to be called which it seems is what the dispute boils down to. No. The new names were accepted by the school board and replaced their given names on the school board's data base.Not so far. So maybe the database oversteps the law. Would that kid be able to get government ID on the basis of his name in a database? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 17:16:07 GMT
"If ever a man should ask you for your business or your name... tell him to go and fuck himself, and tell his friends to do the same"
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Post by Isapop on Jun 20, 2019 17:34:39 GMT
No. The new names were accepted by the school board and replaced their given names on the school board's data base.Not so far. So maybe the database oversteps the law. Would that kid be able to get government ID on the basis of his name in a database? If the database violates the law we can be confident his lawyers would point that out in their complaint. But they don't. And whether or not the kid could get an ID is (again) irrelevant to the dispute.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 20, 2019 18:49:38 GMT
So maybe the database oversteps the law. Would that kid be able to get government ID on the basis of his name in a database? If the database violates the law we can be confident his lawyers would point that out in their complaint. But they don't. And whether or not the kid could get an ID is (again) irrelevant to the dispute.
I didn’t say it violate the law except in regards to what trumps religious freedom. The child literally takes no risks whatsoever asking to be called whatever they wish to be called while the teacher is required to forsake his religious beliefs on something as slight as school guideline and in the basis of harming no one and without any effect on teaching. |
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Post by Isapop on Jun 20, 2019 22:47:36 GMT
If the database violates the law we can be confident his lawyers would point that out in their complaint. But they don't. And whether or not the kid could get an ID is (again) irrelevant to the dispute.
I didn’t say it violate the law except in regards to what trumps religious freedom. You said "oversteps the law", which is the same as "violates the law". Or could you possibly have meant "override", which means "to take precedence over"? Whatever it is you're talking about makes no difference. His lawyers have no issues with the school board database. No harm? You're talking about the authority figure in a classroom telling a transgender teen - almost by definition, psychologically vulnerable and needing support - that he rejects that teen's claimed identity as an affront to God. And in front of the rest of the students. And you don't see any harm. Good God, all the empathy you have would easily fit into a gnat's navel, with room left over.
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