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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 22, 2019 4:47:24 GMT
So evidence inexplicably and perhaps conveniently goes missing, and the then 18yr old claims of sexual harassment—according to this article—against Spacey, let Spacey feel him up for about 3 minutes. WTF! If I didn't want someone to sexually molest me in this manner, I wouldn't give them 3 seconds even if I was drunk.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 22, 2019 5:39:52 GMT
This kid better hope hell doesn't exist. Lost phone. Yeah right. Time to dismiss this phoney lawsuit. The legal drinking age in the US is 21 I believe, so what was he doing in a bar drinking to begin with? Stupid law anyway, when 18 is technically adult. Sitting there letting another dude fondle your dork for 3mins and then make claims a couple of years later about feeling harassed also reeks of bogus and phony agendas. I wonder, were the messages and any imagery on his phone exploiting the incident and that is why it has mysteriously vanished? The police obviously felt there was enough evidence to warrant an arrest and charge if they had seen the phone's content, or is this just more part of the bulls<>t games people play?
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Post by Nora on Jun 22, 2019 8:36:30 GMT
Yeah the whole case seems pretty messed up from what Ive read up on it, normally a good lawyer should be able to get it over and done with pretty quickly but in the 2019 witch hunt era of guilty till proven innocent who knows anymore...
i can tell you i am Super happy I dont work as an attorney anymore.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jun 22, 2019 19:21:40 GMT
No-one is innocent. If someone is accusing you of something you didn't do, perceive it as karma.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 23, 2019 0:16:50 GMT
No-one is innocent. If someone is accusing you of something you didn't do, perceive it as karma. Are you a parrot Stammy?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 23, 2019 0:21:21 GMT
Yeah the whole case seems pretty messed up from what Ive read up on it, normally a good lawyer should be able to get it over and done with pretty quickly but in the 2019 witch hunt era of guilty till proven innocent who knows anymore... i can tell you i am Super happy I dont work as an attorney anymore. I would say it is more likely than not Nora, that Spacey DID fondle this young man, but this is where it gets murky, because technically he was an adult and where does the line cross into consensual sexual groping, to non-consensual sexual assault, especially if like stated in the article, that it went on for 3 minutes. As I have already mentioned, I wouldn't allow anyone to touch my dork for any longer than 3 seconds if I didn't want them too. 3 minutes seems like he must have at least had some consent and interest in what Spacey allegedly did to him. Sounds like a cry wolf scenario to me.
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Post by Nora on Jun 23, 2019 1:28:03 GMT
Yeah the whole case seems pretty messed up from what Ive read up on it, normally a good lawyer should be able to get it over and done with pretty quickly but in the 2019 witch hunt era of guilty till proven innocent who knows anymore... i can tell you i am Super happy I dont work as an attorney anymore. I would say it is more likely than not Nora, that Spacey DID fondle this young man, but this is where it gets murky, because technically he was an adult and where does the line cross into consensual sexual groping, to non-consensual sexual assault, especially if like stated in the article, that it went on for 3 minutes. As I have already mentioned, I wouldn't allow anyone to touch my dork for any longer than 3 seconds if I didn't want them too. 3 minutes seems like he must have at least had some consent and interest in what Spacey allegedly did to him. Sounds like a cry wolf scenario to me. oh yeah i totally believe he did/could have fondle him. but exactly as you say, the guy let it go on for 3 minutes (!) on a public open space where he knew people (!) and to me that says it all about how much “against his will” it really was/or could have been. what a bs case... |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 23, 2019 1:33:30 GMT
I would say it is more likely than not Nora, that Spacey DID fondle this young man, but this is where it gets murky, because technically he was an adult and where does the line cross into consensual sexual groping, to non-consensual sexual assault, especially if like stated in the article, that it went on for 3 minutes. As I have already mentioned, I wouldn't allow anyone to touch my dork for any longer than 3 seconds if I didn't want them too. 3 minutes seems like he must have at least had some consent and interest in what Spacey allegedly did to him. Sounds like a cry wolf scenario to me. oh yeah i totally beilieve he did/could have fondle him. but exacrlt as you say, the guy let it go on for 3 minutes (!) on a public open space wherw he knew people (!) and to me that says it all about how much “against his will” it really was/or could have been. what a bs case... The complaint was made by a t.v personality apparently, speaking on behalf of her son who was an adult. She apparently even claimed that he is straight. Why isn't she letting her kid speak for himself? The evidence seems bogus and misappropriated and it is just being channeled through the court system, because of who was I would say. The police wouldn't want a t.v. personality giving them a bad rap. What an embarrassment for all.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 24, 2019 3:18:19 GMT
NoraYeah, but can thank the democrats (or as Judge Jeanine Pirro calls them 'demonrats') for that stuff as they are the ones who act that way, pretty much. hell, I am willing to bet most of those false abuse claims are probably from the liberal type of person. basically the democrats are more concerned with maintaining their power than doing what's right nowadays. Trump makes progress and they resist by default as they are more concerned with trying to block any good he does than actually doing something beneficial for the country for once. basically they would rather see the country suffer than work with Trump to get something done that's beneficial for society for once as, God forbid, Trump gets any credit (a bit of sarcasm here). lol ; but it's not surprising as they have pretty much went off the rails as they go further left towards insanity. but that stuff aside... it makes me wonder how someone could make a blatantly false claim (or a greatly exaggerated one) against someone as your quite shady to do that to someone as it could destroy their lives (so any serious claim damn sure better be true otherwise the one making the claim is the villain, not the victim). some people have no standards towards others. That's not surprising as that just does not seem like a profession the common person would look positively on. although I imagine those corrupt lawyers probably love it making tons of $ not caring who they convict as long as they win and make stacks of $. or those who will prosecute someone for petty crap etc. I can't stand those types of people who sue for petty stuff. so I guess while lawyers generally are so-so, they are sort of necessary sadly just to keep a balance in things so people don't push things too far as it seems like some people would not care what happens to another person if they can profit from it etc. so in this regard, those shady types, are forced to care otherwise they could get sued. but then again it seems like say those big drug companies... they will release a drug, make stacks of $, then if a handful of people die, they probably don't really care that much. because even if they get sued, it's probably not enough to make them care to where they made far more $ than they lost. just some thoughts 
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Post by Nora on Jun 24, 2019 17:19:13 GMT
mslo79on the trump thing: both (far enough) sides say the exact same thing about the opposition so.. to me those statements about the other party only focused on credit versus advancement is just... noise. on the lawyers thing: well there is a range of people doing this profession like anywhere else, bad ones, good ones and something in between. its just that this profession allows a much bigger space for ego and money talking over integrity and honor. so... but my point was that these days lawyers probably struggle a bit more in court in some cases - more than before because the court of public opinion is So Strong and Quick and the proppsed social changes are So intense. Good example is that LAWYERS are publicly leaving Weinstein et co. Lawyers! Tho people who went to law school fully aware their mission is to aid due process and justice even for those who have done potentially evil things. And now more and more a lawyers leaves their client not to be tainted. Wow.
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Post by hi224 on Jun 24, 2019 18:00:30 GMT
So evidence inexplicably and perhaps conveniently goes missing, and the then 18yr old claims of sexuahl harassment—according to this article—against Spacey, let Spacey feel him up for about 3 minutes. WTF! If I didn't want someone to sexually molest me in this manner, I wouldn't give them 3 seconds even if I was drunk.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 24, 2019 23:40:14 GMT
NoraI see your point as each side tries to make the other one look bad as that's been standard practice for each side in general, so I agree with you here. but lately I think the left is going too far left and it shows. but for me... the way I tend to mostly judge politics is which side is more inline with God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) and in this regard it's pretty safe to say conservatives are. with that said, I don't know whether you believe in God or not, but I just thought I would mention this. so those who believe in God, and takes it a bit more seriously, can see the left is getting more and more anti-Christian as time passes, especially as the more radical left takes over the democrat party etc as not all that long ago they were still half way decent. but as they have moved further left, that further divides the parties as a result and basically less gets done because of it. this is not good for the common citizen. but I guess we just have to sit back and hopefully it plays itself out and things return to a resemblance of normal/order. Good point.  I can see how someone might start off as a decent lawyer for the good etc, but as time passes they might start to blur that line (and become a little shady), or outright become corrupt and switch over to the dark side where it's all about $/ego etc and the hell with doing what's right, just as long as they can legally get away with it they don't care whether what they are doing is right or not, just as long as it's legal. Yeah, good point. I see what you mean and all... but I think anyone with a decent conscience would have a hard time defending someone who they either knew was guilty of a serious crime or thought there is a good chance they are not innocent. but I guess the main thing is as they don't end up getting a evil person set free who was basically guilty or in the reverse, which I think is even worse, getting a innocent person convicted. because I imagine there are probably a fair amount of cases where it's kind of a blurred line on who's in the right and in this regard I can see both sides plausibly claiming their side is innocent or the other guilty etc. but with that said, like you basically said, I can imagine how public opinion is pushing some away from taking cases as they don't want the pressure etc. there is probably is a bunch of ways one could look at all of this stuff but I think we got the gist of it
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Post by Nora on Jun 24, 2019 23:45:56 GMT
mslo79 blurred lines are much less common than you would perhaps think in law. In my 12 years of practice I can’t recall a single case like that. I can’t event remember more than 2 innocent clients. In 12 years... that should tell you something. Family law may have more blurred lines but then again I never practiced that.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 24, 2019 23:53:02 GMT
Nora I see your point as each side tries to make the other one look bad as that's been standard practice for each side in general, so I agree with you here. but lately I think the left is going too far left and it shows. but for me... the way I tend to mostly judge politics is which side is more inline with God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) and in this regard it's pretty safe to say conservatives are. with that said, I don't know whether you believe in God or not, but I just thought I would mention this.so those who believe in God, and takes it a bit more seriously, can see the left is getting more and more anti-Christian as time passes, especially as the more radical left takes over the democrat party etc as not all that long ago they were still half way decent. but as they have moved further left, that further divides the parties as a result and basically less gets done because of it. this is not good for the common citizen. but I guess we just have to sit back and hopefully it plays itself out and things return to a resemblance of normal/order........... Well don't mention it, because it makes you look like a lost cause. God\Religion needs to be kept out of politics. There are also many left wingers who are Christian, just as there are many right wingers who are non-Christian.
When you spout off deriding the left and then throw God into the mix, as though that makes the right appear like saints, that is just loony tunes and doesn't give your own political stance and pov's much credence. It is crazy talk and that is why politics need to be secular and common sense and solid logic is needed for reasoning. Not that it is always used though, regardless of ones personal beliefs, or which side of the fence they sit.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 25, 2019 0:06:43 GMT
mslo79 blurred lines are much less common than you would perhaps think in law. In my 12 years of practice I can’t recall a single case like that. I can’t event remember more than 2 innocent clients. In 12 years... that should tell you something. Family law may have more blurred lines but than again I never practiced that. Justice is an untamed beast Nora and it doesn't really exist. Law is largely about mind games and who can bring forth the best argument for their client. In God we trust, but the devil rears its head more often than not. There is never any ideal solution and with the justice system, it can appear more about what one can get away with and priding themselves on this fact, and that goes for both lawyers and their clients.
It exists to justify the positions of those that can be just as ethically and morally corrupt and yet is supposed to work in the best interests of all. With this Spacey incident, it is just more bulls<>t and lawyers will get overpaid and fiscally fat and judges think they are superior and have the best interests of all at heart. Heck! People all over the world are getting it on with each other and feeling each other up. This appears to be a victimless crime, made out to be something that it isn't.
The phone incident and the sharing of information of what was going on at the time doesn't make him a traumatized sexual assault victim, unless he was powerless and couldn't and didn't have the means in which to escape his perpetrator, especially if there were others around he could have called out to for help and especially if it went on for 3 minutes. His mother is the one who appears to have made him out to be a victim and it appears that this should NEVER have seen the dark of a courtroom.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 26, 2019 6:02:52 GMT
Toasted CheeseOnly for the godless types. it's always a good thing to base your moral choices and the like around God and in that regard it's pretty easy to make a case that conservatives are the overall better of the two political parties. basically the further someone is away from God the more those who are inline with God will seem like 'a lost cause' etc. but at the end of the day... God's moral truth is objective morality. but the godless left makes the mistake of thinking morality is subjective and once someone does that, it's a matter of time before their moral standards get lower and lower and that's pretty much what's happening on the left as they go further left toward insanity. But that's not really possible since many use Christianity as their moral foundation and, naturally, that will effect their political views on things. Well all people are sinners, so neither side is 'perfect'. but it's pretty easy to see, for those who can see, that conservatives tend to be more inline with God than liberals overall (especially the modern left which is pretty much anti-Christian nowadays). but the biggest issue that pretty much confirms this is the abortion issue as once someone fails to get that issue right (that abortion is basic life issue, not a "choice") they tend to be backwards in many other moral areas. Good luck on getting the radical left to use common sense or reasoning for that matter as they tend to side with lies over truth more often than not, especially in the mainstream media etc.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 27, 2019 0:53:37 GMT
Toasted Cheese Only for the godless types. it's always a good thing to base your moral choices and the like around God and in that regard it's pretty easy to make a case that conservatives are the overall better of the two political parties. basically the further someone is away from God the more those who are inline with God will seem like 'a lost cause' etc. but at the end of the day... God's moral truth is objective morality. but the godless left makes the mistake of thinking morality is subjective and once someone does that, it's a matter of time before their moral standards get lower and lower and that's pretty much what's happening on the left as they go further left toward insanity.But that's not really possible since many use Christianity as their moral foundation and, naturally, that will effect their political views on things.Well all people are sinners, so neither side is 'perfect'. but it's pretty easy to see, for those who can see, that conservatives tend to be more inline with God than liberals overall (especially the modern left which is pretty much anti-Christian nowadays). but t he biggest issue that pretty much confirms this is the abortion issue as once someone fails to get that issue right (that abortion is basic life issue, not a "choice") they tend to be backwards in many other moral areas. Good luck on getting the radical left to use common sense or reasoning for that matter as they tend to side with lies over truth more often than not, especially in the mainstream media etc. What exactly is a Godless type? You do realize that one doesn't have to be Christian to be a kind, loving and decent person?
Morality is subjective Bozo!  And if any party acts Godless, it is the right, who then hide behind the image of Christ, as though they are following his word.
Most common sense principles that society is founded on would exist with or without a belief of a fairytale God. This is just about appropriate and social ways in which to behave and treat each other.
Well, the right certainly don't. Putting precedence over an unborn fetus, that they don't give a s<>t about once it is born, just shows how phony their care and concern is to begin with. What are you doing to care for all those unwanted babies, if it bothers you so much?
Who's truth are you talking about? Ones that are also masked in deceit and self-serving agendas? For someone who is supposedly aligned with Christ and God, why do you carry on like you are dead inside, with no joy to behold others? I'd say there is something terribly wrong with your belief system, if this is how you convey yourself.
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Post by Nora on Jul 6, 2019 5:45:44 GMT
civil charges dropped by the accuser. win for spacey.  |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 6, 2019 6:48:20 GMT
civil charges dropped by the accuser. win for spacey. I was only aware of criminal charges, so being civil, it must mean there was an agenda because apparently it was only filed 6 days ago. Also, a settlement arrangement may have been met which isn't being disclosed. I hope not, because that is then proof of some sort of guilt from Spacey's part. Why is this damn thing even criminal anyway, as already discussed, it is obvious it is a load of hokum.
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Post by Nora on Jul 18, 2019 2:36:13 GMT
civil charges dropped by the accuser. win for spacey. I was only aware of criminal charges, so being civil, it must mean there was an agenda because apparently it was only filed 6 days ago. Also, a settlement arrangement may have been met which isn't being disclosed. I hope not, because that is then proof of some sort of guilt from Spacey's part. Why is this damn thing even criminal anyway, as already discussed, it is obvious it is a load of hokum. “Prosecutors drop indecent assault charge against Kevin Spacey” !! yay !! maybe justice is not dead! |
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