Degradation of the highest love.

goz

The truth of the Catholic church never gets "outdated", only disliked by those who don't want to hear it. anyone who opposes the truth of God, especially in serious sin matters(like they promote it etc), are the immoral ones since opposing God's moral truth is sin and sin is disordered and opposes what's truly good. NOTE: I realize all people are sinners and all but you don't want to push things too far

also, we are not saying homosexuals are evil or nothing like that as God still loves them. but... like I was saying, it's a cross for them to bear. but most will ignore that and keep on rebelling and even though some will acknowledge the truth of God and try to live by His standards and not their own disordered feelings. I realize this won't be easy for them but it's possible to do through God's grace. but since we all have free will people can completely ignore this (although that would be unwise) as God won't force someone to follow His commandments as He wants us to freely choose to do it, which is basically a act of love towards Him on our part and following His standards leads to ones happiness in the long run.

with that said (which I basically mention a bit below in my reply to You_Got_A_Stew_Goin_Baby )... it's still possible some homosexuals might not be in a state of mortal sin (because they might not know any better etc (only God knows the state of ones soul)) even though objectively it's serious sin subject matter and they really need to avoid that stuff simply because there is a possibility they could end up in hell.

also, people just don't want to use any self-control/restraint when it comes to sex as that would help with unwanted pregnancies and disease. I realize that's more difficult, especially since many don't regularly pray etc, so people tend to take the easy/more appealing way instead.

but since you don't even believe in God it's going to be that much more difficult for you to see this stuff since you will rely more on feelings (which can be disordered as some stuff that appears appealing to us is not actually good) than God's revealed truth.

p.s. I think your probably right in that they are born that way (as in being homosexuals) but, like I was saying above, it's a cross for them to bear. I realize that's not easy for them and all but it can be done through God's grace.


You_Got_A_Stew_Goin_Baby

Yeah, stealing is clearly wrong. obviously no one will question that basic thing.

but ill add this... not all stealing is serious sin and only serious sin can land one in hell. because in the Catholic church there is venial sin(mild sin) and mortal sin(serious sin). only mortal sin can send one to hell if one fails to repent before death here on earth (which is typically done through the Sacrament of Confession). basically, like CCC #1855 says(which is linked to below)... venial sin wounds ones relationship with God, where as mortal sin destroys it.

but even when it comes to mortal sin there are three things required for it to cross that line and it can be difficult to tell whether someone has truly crossed that line or not...

CCC #1857 (i.e. www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a8.htm (i.e. #1854-1864) ) says... "For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."

but with that said... just because something is venial sin does not mean we should not try to avoid doing that thing in general as all sin we do here on earth is either paid for in this life, through suffering/penance/prayer etc, or in the next in Purgatory before eventually reaching Heaven. NOTE: I am just assuming one is not in a state of mortal sin when they die as those that are, hell awaits them forever.