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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 24, 2019 4:06:36 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 24, 2019 4:09:11 GMT
what are they saying? i cant hear it
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 24, 2019 4:12:22 GMT
what are they saying? i cant hear it Jean: I’m afraid one day I’m going to hurt someone.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 24, 2019 4:14:06 GMT
what are they saying? i cant hear it Jean: I’m afraid one day I’m going to hurt someone. cool, thanks
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 24, 2019 13:18:46 GMT
what are they saying? i cant hear it Jean: I’m afraid one day I’m going to hurt someone. Jean: I’m afraid one day I’m going to kill someone. Fixed.
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Post by dazz on Jun 24, 2019 21:30:56 GMT
Nope that was foreshadowing Apocalypses death seeing as she kills him at the end of that movie, you need to stop trying to reech so hard to make out these movies are more thought out than they are, they really aren't.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 25, 2019 1:54:29 GMT
Nope that was foreshadowing Apocalypses death seeing as she kills him at the end of that movie, you need to stop trying to reech so hard to make out these movies are more thought out than they are, they really aren't. Did you watch the whole video? Because she has a vision of her killing innocent people. This looks like Apocalypse to you? 
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Post by dazz on Jun 25, 2019 1:59:36 GMT
From what I saw she see's a vision of the world being destroyed, a flash of Apocalypse and then that picture, which BTW looks more like Apocalypse than Mystique.
Like I said your just reaching to try and make these things connect, they don't.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 25, 2019 2:14:27 GMT
From what I saw she see's a vision of the world being destroyed, a flash of Apocalypse and then that picture, which BTW looks more like Apocalypse than Mystique. Like I said your just reaching to try and make these things connect, they don't. Not saying that is Mystique, but it sure isn’t Apocalypse. It’s a random dude that’s burnt to a crust not played by Oscar Isaac. It’s a vision of the world being destroy by fire and you think it alludes to Jean killing Apocalypse? Dude, everyone was saying this was Dark Phoenix foreshadowing it came out three years ago.
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Post by dazz on Jun 25, 2019 3:55:18 GMT
From what I saw she see's a vision of the world being destroyed, a flash of Apocalypse and then that picture, which BTW looks more like Apocalypse than Mystique. Like I said your just reaching to try and make these things connect, they don't. Not saying that is Mystique, but it sure isn’t Apocalypse. It’s a random dude that’s burnt to a crust not played by Oscar Isaac. It’s a vision of the world being destroy by fire and you think it alludes to Jean killing Apocalypse? Dude, everyone was saying this was Dark Phoenix foreshadowing it came out three years ago. No I said it looks more like Apocalypse than it does Mystique, I think the fact that how the world is being destroyed if you change the filter resembles how Magneto is destroying things later in the movie, coupled with her vision of Apocalypse in the vision, that her fears the entire movie is how her powers could be dangerous and then to save the day she has to unleash said powers, and she does the thing she is afraid off as in hurt/kill someone but it turns out to be the big bad that the scene isn't foreshadowing another movie but the ending of that movie itself.
You know considering apparently Jean already has killed someone in that timeline, that Xavier doesn't register her fear with knowing concern but more sympathy and desire to ease her mind, I highly doubt that scene was foreshadowing anything, you are simply reaching for any excuse to give this film to make it not seem like such a flop/disaster on Kinbergs part.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 25, 2019 4:33:54 GMT
Not saying that is Mystique, but it sure isn’t Apocalypse. It’s a random dude that’s burnt to a crust not played by Oscar Isaac. It’s a vision of the world being destroy by fire and you think it alludes to Jean killing Apocalypse? Dude, everyone was saying this was Dark Phoenix foreshadowing it came out three years ago. No I said it looks more like Apocalypse than it does Mystique, I think the fact that how the world is being destroyed if you change the filter resembles how Magneto is destroying things later in the movie, coupled with her vision of Apocalypse in the vision, that her fears the entire movie is how her powers could be dangerous and then to save the day she has to unleash said powers, and she does the thing she is afraid off as in hurt/kill someone but it turns out to be the big bad that the scene isn't foreshadowing another movie but the ending of that movie itself.
You know considering apparently Jean already has killed someone in that timeline, that Xavier doesn't register her fear with knowing concern but more sympathy and desire to ease her mind, I highly doubt that scene was foreshadowing anything, you are simply reaching for any excuse to give this film to make it not seem like such a flop/disaster on Kinbergs part.
Too late. It's an unmitigated disaster. The 'X-Men: Dark Phoenix' Box Office Disaster Can Be Explained By 'Divergent'dazz my be British but, that doesn't mean he isn't right. Hee hee hee...
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Post by dazz on Jun 25, 2019 4:59:41 GMT
hehehe 
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 25, 2019 7:02:36 GMT
Not saying that is Mystique, but it sure isn’t Apocalypse. It’s a random dude that’s burnt to a crust not played by Oscar Isaac. It’s a vision of the world being destroy by fire and you think it alludes to Jean killing Apocalypse? Dude, everyone was saying this was Dark Phoenix foreshadowing it came out three years ago. No I said it looks more like Apocalypse than it does Mystique, I think the fact that how the world is being destroyed if you change the filter resembles how Magneto is destroying things later in the movie, coupled with her vision of Apocalypse in the vision, that her fears the entire movie is how her powers could be dangerous and then to save the day she has to unleash said powers, and she does the thing she is afraid off as in hurt/kill someone but it turns out to be the big bad that the scene isn't foreshadowing another movie but the ending of that movie itself.
You know considering apparently Jean already has killed someone in that timeline, that Xavier doesn't register her fear with knowing concern but more sympathy and desire to ease her mind, I highly doubt that scene was foreshadowing anything, you are simply reaching for any excuse to give this film to make it not seem like such a flop/disaster on Kinbergs part. Are you trolling? She literally says that she fears the “ dark power inside me and it’s growing” and you are saying it has nothing to do with Dark Phoenix? Literally all the movie sites were calling this Dark Phoenix foreshadowing. It’s even brought up in interviews with the filmmakers 3 years ago who acknowledge it. www.empireonline.com/movies/features/x-men-apocalypse-bryan-singer-simon-kinberg/This is like saying post-credit scene wasn’t teasing at X-23. Also, it looks nothing like Magneto’s destruction because isn’t flying in the sky. Its filtered that why to show the Earth being engulfed in fire.
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Post by dazz on Jun 25, 2019 15:03:14 GMT
No I said it looks more like Apocalypse than it does Mystique, I think the fact that how the world is being destroyed if you change the filter resembles how Magneto is destroying things later in the movie, coupled with her vision of Apocalypse in the vision, that her fears the entire movie is how her powers could be dangerous and then to save the day she has to unleash said powers, and she does the thing she is afraid off as in hurt/kill someone but it turns out to be the big bad that the scene isn't foreshadowing another movie but the ending of that movie itself.
You know considering apparently Jean already has killed someone in that timeline, that Xavier doesn't register her fear with knowing concern but more sympathy and desire to ease her mind, I highly doubt that scene was foreshadowing anything, you are simply reaching for any excuse to give this film to make it not seem like such a flop/disaster on Kinbergs part. Are you trolling? She literally says that she fears the “ dark power inside me and it’s growing” and you are saying it has nothing to do with Dark Phoenix? Literally all the movie sites were calling this Dark Phoenix foreshadowing. It’s even brought up in interviews with the filmmakers 3 years ago who acknowledge it. www.empireonline.com/movies/features/x-men-apocalypse-bryan-singer-simon-kinberg/This is like saying post-credit scene wasn’t teasing at X-23. Also, it looks nothing like Magneto’s destruction because isn’t flying in the sky. Its filtered that why to show the Earth being engulfed in fire. To me it comes across more like it was foreshadowing the Phoenix which we see later in the film, and peoples thinking from what I recall simply was well they have started on the Phoenix path so the next movie will deal with that right? just like in X2 ends with Jean saving everyone and the Phoenix being seen in Alkali Lake, that Jean feared the darkness or whatever is ambiguous enough.
Which BTW pick a bloody side already, this is what I am getting at you are so desperately trying to add some merit to this movie and Kinberg, either this movie wasn't actually meant to be or is a Dark Phoenix movie or it was and is, any complaint anyone has to this film, Kinberg or the lameness of them doing a do over you try countering it by saying oh no it wasn't that it was Fox making them do this, this was meant to be a smaller movie not a blockbuster...despite the original $170m budget oh and having to cut multiple major scenes of a blockbuster nature because one looked too much like a major scene from Civil War, a $1+ B grossing movie, another looked too much like the climax of Captain Marvel another $1B+ grossing movie, that this wasn't meant to be a Dark Phoenix they didn't even originally call it that it was called Supernova...despite Kinberg himself stating that was just the codename they used in the scripting phase and it was always going to be a Dark Phoenix story, the various the Phoenix is part of Jean, it isn't part of Jean, now the darkness is part of her no it wasn't it was the "solar flare" flip flopping, oh they foreshadows this with this scene which actually does more to foreshadow the climax of that movie and shows that they hadn't thought this plot through at that point or how because they repeat something from the opening from another movie somehow makes it more thought out and clever or something...?
Only consistent thing is you making excuses for this film fucking up a bunch of shit and Kinberg being a dozy bastard, if you like the film that's fantastic find joy in whatever you can, but don't keep making excuses for the bloody thing, there are loads of films I love despite themselves for one reason or another, one thing I say unlike you is I phrase what I like about them as my taste, you keep phrasing everything as fact, when no it's opinion, and many of your "facts" aren't even opinion but bs like the this film not being intended to be a blockbuster, not meaning to be a Dark Phoenix story and so on, and the fact you flip flop the arguments depending on the criticism shows you are just trying to make excuses for it imo.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 25, 2019 15:47:33 GMT
Are you trolling? She literally says that she fears the “ dark power inside me and it’s growing” and you are saying it has nothing to do with Dark Phoenix? Literally all the movie sites were calling this Dark Phoenix foreshadowing. It’s even brought up in interviews with the filmmakers 3 years ago who acknowledge it. www.empireonline.com/movies/features/x-men-apocalypse-bryan-singer-simon-kinberg/This is like saying post-credit scene wasn’t teasing at X-23. Also, it looks nothing like Magneto’s destruction because isn’t flying in the sky. Its filtered that why to show the Earth being engulfed in fire. To me it comes across more like it was foreshadowing the Phoenix which we see later in the film, and peoples thinking from what I recall simply was well they have started on the Phoenix path so the next movie will deal with that right? just like in X2 ends with Jean saving everyone and the Phoenix being seen in Alkali Lake, that Jean feared the darkness or whatever is ambiguous enough.
Which BTW pick a bloody side already, this is what I am getting at you are so desperately trying to add some merit to this movie and Kinberg, either this movie wasn't actually meant to be or is a Dark Phoenix movie or it was and is, any complaint anyone has to this film, Kinberg or the lameness of them doing a do over you try countering it by saying oh no it wasn't that it was Fox making them do this, this was meant to be a smaller movie not a blockbuster...despite the original $170m budget oh and having to cut multiple major scenes of a blockbuster nature because one looked too much like a major scene from Civil War, a $1+ B grossing movie, another looked too much like the climax of Captain Marvel another $1B+ grossing movie, that this wasn't meant to be a Dark Phoenix they didn't even originally call it that it was called Supernova...despite Kinberg himself stating that was just the codename they used in the scripting phase and it was always going to be a Dark Phoenix story, the various the Phoenix is part of Jean, it isn't part of Jean, now the darkness is part of her no it wasn't it was the "solar flare" flip flopping, oh they foreshadows this with this scene which actually does more to foreshadow the climax of that movie and shows that they hadn't thought this plot through at that point or how because they repeat something from the opening from another movie somehow makes it more thought out and clever or something...?
Only consistent thing is you making excuses for this film fucking up a bunch of shit and Kinberg being a dozy bastard, if you like the film that's fantastic find joy in whatever you can, but don't keep making excuses for the bloody thing, there are loads of films I love despite themselves for one reason or another, one thing I say unlike you is I phrase what I like about them as my taste, you keep phrasing everything as fact, when no it's opinion, and many of your "facts" aren't even opinion but bs like the this film not being intended to be a blockbuster, not meaning to be a Dark Phoenix story and so on, and the fact you flip flop the arguments depending on the criticism shows you are just trying to make excuses for it imo. , what are you doing? "We never free a mind once it's reached a certain age. It's dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go." Hee hee hee... My take on all of this is live and let die. Seriously, if you want to believe this movie is more than the heaping pile of trash that it is, you can churn out "think pieces" on it until your hands fall off for all I care. Fox purposefully hired an inexperienced director because they knew they could bully him into making whatever movie they wanted. They let him thinks he was making a quiet, psychologically complex, character study when in reality they wanted a four-quadrant blockbuster. That is why the budget was set at $170 M and not something like $70 M. It sounds like West was utterly spineless in the process, complaining intermittently when the studio decided to go against his vision but, quickly agreeing to extensive reshoots and story modifications. He either had no vision for this film or was too gutless to fight for its proper execution.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 25, 2019 16:40:49 GMT
To me it comes across more like it was foreshadowing the Phoenix which we see later in the film, and peoples thinking from what I recall simply was well they have started on the Phoenix path so the next movie will deal with that right? just like in X2 ends with Jean saving everyone and the Phoenix being seen in Alkali Lake, that Jean feared the darkness or whatever is ambiguous enough.
Which BTW pick a bloody side already, this is what I am getting at you are so desperately trying to add some merit to this movie and Kinberg, either this movie wasn't actually meant to be or is a Dark Phoenix movie or it was and is, any complaint anyone has to this film, Kinberg or the lameness of them doing a do over you try countering it by saying oh no it wasn't that it was Fox making them do this, this was meant to be a smaller movie not a blockbuster...despite the original $170m budget oh and having to cut multiple major scenes of a blockbuster nature because one looked too much like a major scene from Civil War, a $1+ B grossing movie, another looked too much like the climax of Captain Marvel another $1B+ grossing movie, that this wasn't meant to be a Dark Phoenix they didn't even originally call it that it was called Supernova...despite Kinberg himself stating that was just the codename they used in the scripting phase and it was always going to be a Dark Phoenix story, the various the Phoenix is part of Jean, it isn't part of Jean, now the darkness is part of her no it wasn't it was the "solar flare" flip flopping, oh they foreshadows this with this scene which actually does more to foreshadow the climax of that movie and shows that they hadn't thought this plot through at that point or how because they repeat something from the opening from another movie somehow makes it more thought out and clever or something...?
Only consistent thing is you making excuses for this film fucking up a bunch of shit and Kinberg being a dozy bastard, if you like the film that's fantastic find joy in whatever you can, but don't keep making excuses for the bloody thing, there are loads of films I love despite themselves for one reason or another, one thing I say unlike you is I phrase what I like about them as my taste, you keep phrasing everything as fact, when no it's opinion, and many of your "facts" aren't even opinion but bs like the this film not being intended to be a blockbuster, not meaning to be a Dark Phoenix story and so on, and the fact you flip flop the arguments depending on the criticism shows you are just trying to make excuses for it imo. , what are you doing? "We never free a mind once it's reached a certain age. It's dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go." Hee hee hee... My take on all of this is live and let die. Seriously, if you want to believe this movie is more than the heaping pile of trash that it is, you can churn out "think pieces" on it until your hands fall off for all I care. Fox purposefully hired an inexperienced director because they knew they could bully him into making whatever movie they wanted. They let him thinks he was making a quiet, psychologically complex, character study when in reality they wanted a four-quadrant blockbuster. That is why the budget was set at $170 M and not something like $70 M. It sounds like West was utterly spineless in the process, complaining intermittently when the studio decided to go against his vision but, quickly agreeing to extensive reshoots and story modifications. He either had no vision for this film or was too gutless to fight for its proper execution. That's putting it mildly. He directed jackshit beforehand.
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Post by dazz on Jun 25, 2019 17:07:42 GMT
dazz , what are you doing? "We never free a mind once it's reached a certain age. It's dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go." Hee hee hee... My take on all of this is live and let die. Seriously, if you want to believe this movie is more than the heaping pile of trash that it is, you can churn out "think pieces" on it until your hands fall off for all I care. Fox purposefully hired an inexperienced director because they knew they could bully him into making whatever movie they wanted. They let him thinks he was making a quiet, psychologically complex, character study when in reality they wanted a four-quadrant blockbuster. That is why the budget was set at $170 M and not something like $70 M. It sounds like West was utterly spineless in the process, complaining intermittently when the studio decided to go against his vision but, quickly agreeing to extensive reshoots and story modifications. He either had no vision for this film or was too gutless to fight for its proper execution. That's putting it mildly. He directed jackshit beforehand. Or worse if you believe certain rumours that he was the one who ghost directed the reshoots of Fan4stic, so which sounds worse, the guy who directed nothing but gets handed a $170m movie or the numb nuts who did the reshoots of the utter bomb Fan4stic which is where many people say the movie really falls apart from.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 26, 2019 2:58:19 GMT
To me it comes across more like it was foreshadowing the Phoenix which we see later in the film, and peoples thinking from what I recall simply was well they have started on the Phoenix path so the next movie will deal with that right? just like in X2 ends with Jean saving everyone and the Phoenix being seen in Alkali Lake, that Jean feared the darkness or whatever is ambiguous enough. But what is up with this rant below? I watched the movie twice and my opinion on it has changed a bit. Went from mediocre to okay, still hesitant on calling it good though. The pacing greatly improved like I heard people say after they rewatched it. However, the alien stuff is really underdeveloped and ideas could have been executed a lot better. Dude, I made a thread about Kinberg accepting the blame for the film not connecting with enough audiences and that said that a more experienced director should have handled the film. I admitted he was partly at fault. I'm kinda surprised that he taking the blame. But good on him for stepping up. Yeah, he does say that just because there have been production issues doesn’t mean that a good movie can’t come out of it. It’s like what Vassaggo a more experienced and talent writer/director would have coped better. lol I never said this. Which was revealed after I said that. That’s actually not true according to Deadline Hollywood. deadline.com/2019/06/dark-phoenix-bombs-at-the-box-office-reasons-why-1202629749/And why do you have a beef with me reporting news on this movie? Lol you’re acting like I lied about it when I was just simply wrong. I don’t read every single interview. The name “Phoenix” is just a nickname for Jean in the film universe in both timelines. Kinberg and Hutch were actually talking of Dark Phoenix in post-production of Apocalypse. When did I say it was clever? Never. So you’re just making a strawman. People make analysis on films all the time. When did I say that people should like this movie?
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Post by dazz on Jun 26, 2019 4:05:58 GMT
Yeah ok I got bored by this yesterday, for anything I was wrong on I apologise, for having a difference opinion to you nah fuck that it's my opinion I am entitled to it, you to btw...the opinion thing I mean not the fuck that/you thing, but either way this topic wont go nowhere interesting, so again I apologise for anything I said which is wrong, and stand by everything I said which isn't, you and I may disagree which is which but whatever have a nice night.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 26, 2019 4:10:41 GMT
Yeah ok I got bored by this yesterday, for anything I was wrong on I apologise, for having a difference opinion to you nah fuck that it's my opinion I am entitled to it, you to btw...the opinion thing I mean not the fuck that/you thing, but either way this topic wont go nowhere interesting, so again I apologise for anything I said which is wrong, and stand by everything I said which isn't, you and I may disagree which is which but whatever have a nice night. Nicely done. 
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