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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 24, 2019 10:19:44 GMT
It will be interesting to see if this one comes true.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jun 24, 2019 12:12:35 GMT
It's just typical fear-based paranoia from these types of people.
I like the other crazy bitch about judging America. Hello?! Iran? Russia? China? Those aren't nice people in charge of those countries.
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 24, 2019 13:53:38 GMT
It would be pretty hard to sink one of the Nimitz class aircraft carriers considering that their are usually escorted by several support ships.
That being said, during an exercise in the Pacific, a single Gotland class submarine, operated by the Swedish navy, managed to bypass the entire escort fleet and take several "photographs" of the USS Ronald Reagan, effectively sinking the aircraft carrier.
This lead to the submarine being leased to the US Navy so they could develop countermeasures to counter this type of sub.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 24, 2019 15:52:15 GMT
This channel sure loves its goats.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 24, 2019 18:02:11 GMT
It would be pretty hard to sink one of the Nimitz class aircraft carriers considering that their are usually escorted by several support ships. That being said, during an exercise in the Pacific, a single Gotland class submarine, operated by the Swedish navy, managed to bypass the entire escort fleet and take several "photographs" of the USS Ronald Reagan, effectively sinking the aircraft carrier. This lead to the submarine being leased to the US Navy so they could develop countermeasures to counter this type of sub. I did a thread a while back about that. I called it "Sinking the Reagan," but I labeled that one Off-topic. Diesel-electric subs are still very useful. And they're cheap compared to a supercarrier.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 24, 2019 18:07:45 GMT
It's just typical fear-based paranoia from these types of people.
I like the other crazy bitch about judging America. Hello?! Iran? Russia? China? Those aren't nice people in charge of those countries.
Now now, Prog. Did anyone actually say they were nice people? I tend to think there are no nice people, only that some are worse than others. Was that two different women? I thought the second one was the first one but with longer hair and glasses. I'll have to watch it again when time permits.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 24, 2019 18:16:05 GMT
I'm guessing Bolton pushed for this. He'll look for any excuse to invade a country. He's already talking about regime change in Venezuela. Hell he literally siad on live TV he wanted to take out Maduro for fuck's sake.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 24, 2019 18:18:44 GMT
I'm guessing Bolton pushed for this. He'll look for any excuse to invade a country. He's already talking about regime change in Venezuela. Hell he literally siad on live TV he wanted to take out Maduro for fuck's sake. Yeah. That's why North Korea wants nukes. The North Koreans know that the US will NEVER invade a country that has nukes.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 24, 2019 18:24:31 GMT
I'm guessing Bolton pushed for this. He'll look for any excuse to invade a country. He's already talking about regime change in Venezuela. Hell he literally siad on live TV he wanted to take out Maduro for fuck's sake. Yeah. That's why North Korea wants nukes. The North Koreans know that the US will NEVER invade a country that has nukes. Even with the peace agreements between North and South Korea, Kim will definetly never give up his nuclear weapons, especially what happened to Gaddafi. He agreed to the US to give up his nukes, and well we all know what happened there. Kim certainly isn't gonna fall for that. Those nukes are probably the only thing keeping him alive at this point.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 24, 2019 18:45:23 GMT
This channel sure loves its goats. I haven't watched any of those yet, but the friend who told me about the channel said My Pet Goat was the book that George W. Bush was reading to the schoolkids in Sarasota on 9-11-01.
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Post by goz on Jun 25, 2019 2:23:48 GMT
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Post by progressiveelement on Jun 25, 2019 11:21:12 GMT
It would be pretty hard to sink one of the Nimitz class aircraft carriers considering that their are usually escorted by several support ships. That being said, during an exercise in the Pacific, a single Gotland class submarine, operated by the Swedish navy, managed to bypass the entire escort fleet and take several "photographs" of the USS Ronald Reagan, effectively sinking the aircraft carrier. This lead to the submarine being leased to the US Navy so they could develop countermeasures to counter this type of sub. I did a thread a while back about that. I called it "Sinking the Reagan," but I labeled that one Off-topic. Diesel-electric subs are still very useful. And they're cheap compared to a supercarrier. Diesel-electric subs have to recharge their batteries by surfacing to snorkel, and there they'll switch to diesels, making them extremely vulnerable.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 25, 2019 18:01:54 GMT
I did a thread a while back about that. I called it "Sinking the Reagan," but I labeled that one Off-topic. Diesel-electric subs are still very useful. And they're cheap compared to a supercarrier. Diesel-electric subs have to recharge their batteries by surfacing to snorkel, and there they'll switch to diesels, making them extremely vulnerable.
I thought some of the newer ones had closed-cycle that allows them to stay submerged for about three weeks. I really should read up on it before I talk, though. Diesel-electric submarines have their limitations, but damn, they are very quiet compared to a nuclear submarine. You don't want to make a lot of noise when you're out there stalking. My country built a quiet nuclear submarine once (USS Liscomb) but to my knowledge never built another one.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 25, 2019 18:07:41 GMT
Does anyone besides me think the US may have sunk one of its own ships on purpose (USS Maine) so that an overseas empire could be gained from it?
If so, and if the same group is still in power, I doubt they'd be above doing something like it again.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jun 25, 2019 19:22:44 GMT
Diesel-electric subs have to recharge their batteries by surfacing to snorkel, and there they'll switch to diesels, making them extremely vulnerable.
I thought some of the newer ones had closed-cycle that allows them to stay submerged for about three weeks. I really should read up on it before I talk, though. Diesel-electric submarines have their limitations, but damn, they are very quiet compared to a nuclear submarine. You don't want to make a lot of noise when you're out there stalking. My country built a quiet nuclear submarine once (USS Liscomb) but to my knowledge never built another one. You're right about the closed cycle thing. Probably the ones that are best are those in Swedish, German, Israeli, Australian, and Japanese service.
US have silent nuclear subs down to an art. Same with UK, and France. Ohio-class is reputedly near-impossible to pick up, and a Brit and a French missile sub proved how quiet they were when they collided not so long back, unaware of the others' presence. Russia uses mostly nuclear subs, but they still have Kilo-class subs, which they've modified.China's built up quite a force. It's a wonder India's aren't all declared death traps, they've had so many accidents going on.
The hype with the Swedish sub seems to forget - the Swedes aren't a Third World nation. The US likes to hype their stuff up, but they were up against one of the best of its kind - it wasn't going to be such a one-sided deal. I don't think the Swedes were playing to lose.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 25, 2019 19:37:18 GMT
I thought some of the newer ones had closed-cycle that allows them to stay submerged for about three weeks. I really should read up on it before I talk, though. Diesel-electric submarines have their limitations, but damn, they are very quiet compared to a nuclear submarine. You don't want to make a lot of noise when you're out there stalking. My country built a quiet nuclear submarine once (USS Liscomb) but to my knowledge never built another one. You're right about the closed cycle thing. Probably the ones that are best are those in Swedish, German, Israeli, Australian, and Japanese service.
US have silent nuclear subs down to an art. Same with UK, and France. Ohio-class is reputedly near-impossible to pick up, and a Brit and a French missile sub proved how quiet they were when they collided not so long back, unaware of the others' presence. Russia uses mostly nuclear subs, but they still have Kilo-class subs, which they've modified.China's built up quite a force. It's a wonder India's aren't all declared death traps, they've had so many accidents going on.
The hype with the Swedish sub seems to forget - the Swedes aren't a Third World nation. The US likes to hype their stuff up, but they were up against one of the best of its kind - it wasn't going to be such a one-sided deal. I don't think the Swedes were playing to lose.
Would you ever go down in a submarine? I'm not sure how I'd react. They might have to tranquilize me less than ten minutes after submerging.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jun 25, 2019 22:07:50 GMT
You're right about the closed cycle thing. Probably the ones that are best are those in Swedish, German, Israeli, Australian, and Japanese service.
US have silent nuclear subs down to an art. Same with UK, and France. Ohio-class is reputedly near-impossible to pick up, and a Brit and a French missile sub proved how quiet they were when they collided not so long back, unaware of the others' presence. Russia uses mostly nuclear subs, but they still have Kilo-class subs, which they've modified.China's built up quite a force. It's a wonder India's aren't all declared death traps, they've had so many accidents going on.
The hype with the Swedish sub seems to forget - the Swedes aren't a Third World nation. The US likes to hype their stuff up, but they were up against one of the best of its kind - it wasn't going to be such a one-sided deal. I don't think the Swedes were playing to lose.
Would you ever go down in a submarine? I'm not sure how I'd react. They might have to tranquilize me less than ten minutes after submerging.
I get sick on ferries.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 23:46:37 GMT
It will be interesting to see if this one comes true. I'm sure it will. After all, the videos you choose to post have such a fantastic track record when it comes to accuracy. It's practically a certainty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 0:00:35 GMT
It would be pretty hard to sink one of the Nimitz class aircraft carriers considering that their are usually escorted by several support ships. That being said, during an exercise in the Pacific, a single Gotland class submarine, operated by the Swedish navy, managed to bypass the entire escort fleet and take several "photographs" of the USS Ronald Reagan, effectively sinking the aircraft carrier. This lead to the submarine being leased to the US Navy so they could develop countermeasures to counter this type of sub. Too much is made of that kind of thing. People forget that exercises are not the same thing as actual combat; exercises are staged and managed in specific ways, in order to test and practice specific things. An example, I read a book about submarines once where during an exercise the 'enemy' subs were routinely sunk by the 'home' team ships. But any time a sub was sunk it just carried on with the mission, so that the home team ships could keep practicing against it. Subs were often sunk eight or ten times in a day, but they'd just keep right on going every time. Eventually one scored a hit and suddenly the media go nuts. "OMG ship sunk by subs! Surface ships now obsolete!" Never mind that in a real war the sub would have been dead in the first few hours. Similarly, attacking aircraft that are 'shot down' by long range missiles keep coming, so that the ships can exercise with their short range missiles. If those shoot them down they keep coming so the ships can test their decoys and EW capabilities, then their last-ditch gun defences. Then the ship will register as having been hit, so that it can do damage control exercises and casualty drills. The point is not to see if the ship can shoot down the plane or the plane can kill the ship, the point is to test and practice every possible aspect of an engagement by both sides. To get the most use out of doing the exercise. Now I'm not saying this happened with the Reagan. Maybe the Reagan actually was caught with their pants down. My point is merely the general one that military exercises are not combat, in many ways they are not intended to be similar to combat, and success in an exercise in no way can be taken to indicate success is likely in combat. Not without a great deal of additional detail, which the military don't generally like to reveal. Oh, and those air-independent subs? They're typically very limited in speed whilst operating on the AIP system. Like, limited to around 4-5 knots. If a boat that can do 5 knots wants to intercept a ship that cruises at 15 and can do 28-30+ in a pinch, the sub has to be practically in front of the ship at the start of the engagement to do it. In other words, you need a great deal of luck. Such boats are not useless; they are great defensive weapons. Ambush predators; position them at choke points where they can wait for enemy ships to come to them. And they are excellent platforms for sneaking slowly in to an enemy area to do surveillance, deliver special forces ashore, etc. But as offensive weapons, as weapons that can actually take the fight to the enemy, they pale in comparison to any nuclear powered submarine. There is a reason the major navies keep building SSNs and SSBNs.
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