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Post by Cinemachinery on Apr 10, 2017 17:11:15 GMT
www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/08/varieties-atheism"Can theists and atheists live together in any sort of mutual respect? That is far more than an academic debating point. Throughout history, theocrats have punished dissidents who reject the state religion. In the 20th century, atheist regimes subjected religion to bloody repression, and a few, like North Korea, still do. And in recent years, especially in the Islamic world, thee has been a resurgence in the persecution of those who reject the prevailing form of religion, or all religion. The rise in religious oppression is one of the factors that galvanized "new atheists" like the late Christopher Hitchens, who thought "religion poisons everything" .... but there is another form of cerebral atheism. John Gray ... is a strong advocate of the view that theism and atheism can coexist in freedom and a sort of amity."
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Apr 10, 2017 17:20:24 GMT
www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/08/varieties-atheism"Can theists and atheists live together in any sort of mutual respect? That is far more than an academic debating point. Throughout history, theocrats have punished dissidents who reject the state religion. In the 20th century, atheist regimes subjected religion to bloody repression, and a few, like North Korea, still do. And in recent years, especially in the Islamic world, thee has been a resurgence in the persecution of those who reject the prevailing form of religion, or all religion. The rise in religious oppression is one of the factors that galvanized "new atheists" like the late Christopher Hitchens, who thought "religion poisons everything" .... but there is another form of cerebral atheism. John Gray ... is a strong advocate of the view that theism and atheism can coexist in freedom and a sort of amity." That's fine for atheists and theists, but what about the anti-theist globalist trash?
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Apr 10, 2017 17:21:05 GMT
www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/08/varieties-atheism"Can theists and atheists live together in any sort of mutual respect? That is far more than an academic debating point. Throughout history, theocrats have punished dissidents who reject the state religion. In the 20th century, atheist regimes subjected religion to bloody repression, and a few, like North Korea, still do. And in recent years, especially in the Islamic world, thee has been a resurgence in the persecution of those who reject the prevailing form of religion, or all religion. The rise in religious oppression is one of the factors that galvanized "new atheists" like the late Christopher Hitchens, who thought "religion poisons everything" .... but there is another form of cerebral atheism. John Gray ... is a strong advocate of the view that theism and atheism can coexist in freedom and a sort of amity." That's fine for atheists and theists, but what about the anti-theist globalist trash? Not to mention the queer sodomite vermin.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Apr 10, 2017 17:27:40 GMT
www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/08/varieties-atheism"Can theists and atheists live together in any sort of mutual respect? That is far more than an academic debating point. Throughout history, theocrats have punished dissidents who reject the state religion. In the 20th century, atheist regimes subjected religion to bloody repression, and a few, like North Korea, still do. And in recent years, especially in the Islamic world, thee has been a resurgence in the persecution of those who reject the prevailing form of religion, or all religion. The rise in religious oppression is one of the factors that galvanized "new atheists" like the late Christopher Hitchens, who thought "religion poisons everything" .... but there is another form of cerebral atheism. John Gray ... is a strong advocate of the view that theism and atheism can coexist in freedom and a sort of amity." That's fine for atheists and theists, but what about the anti-theist globalist trash? Admittedly the Economist does not, perhaps, write with an eye on that level of "readership".
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Apr 10, 2017 17:30:08 GMT
That's fine for atheists and theists, but what about the anti-theist globalist trash? Admittedly the Economist does not, perhaps, write with an eye on that level of "readership". Just admit it, they're not sophisticated and intellectual enough to have a YouTube channel hosted by somebody as intelligent and rational as Alex Jones.
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Post by thefleetsin on Apr 10, 2017 22:42:59 GMT
please.
theists have had thousands of years to promote their fairy tales and what does the world have to show for it? propaganda artwork and architectural nuisances are not worth the bother in the long run.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 11, 2017 4:58:51 GMT
Drugs
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 14:30:22 GMT
What may be the more relevant question... can one sect of theists and another sect of theists live together in any sort of mutual respect?
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 11, 2017 14:32:14 GMT
What may be the more relevant question... can one sect of theists and another sect of theists live together in any sort of mutual respect? Very common in India. Shaivites and Vaishnavites live in mutual respect all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 14:37:19 GMT
What may be the more relevant question... can one sect of theists and another sect of theists live together in any sort of mutual respect? Very common in India. Shaivites and Vaishnavites live in mutual respect all the time. First of all, both are Hindu Second, both are Hindu
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 11, 2017 14:40:46 GMT
Very common in India. Shaivites and Vaishnavites live in mutual respect all the time. First of all, both are Hindu Second, both are Hindu So? Many Hindus are theists. You asked if one sect of theists can live with another sect of theists. Both are sects of theists.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 14:47:30 GMT
First of all, both are Hindu Second, both are Hindu So? Many Hindus are theists. You asked if one sect of theists can live with another sect of theists. Both are sects of theists. You missed my point, and missed my point... and I made no mention of 'living with another' Theist was the original word so I utilized it in lieu of 'religion' copying almost exactly the original quote... I was hoping most would forgive the distinction and not bog down in semantics. Both are Hindu, the same religion. Both are Hindu, less likely to be offended, radicalized, and violent. THIRD, they are the exception. Catholics, Baptists, JW are constantly at odds on this board alone.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 11, 2017 14:51:24 GMT
I haven't met an atheist in real life that I haven;t gotten along with except for the one dude who made fun of my family praying at a Cracker Barrel. I'm adorable so it's impossible to dislike me in person...My wife even moreso...& her parents even moreso (My mother's insane though 3 aout of 4 ain't bad!). We're awesome!
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 11, 2017 14:56:56 GMT
So? Many Hindus are theists. You asked if one sect of theists can live with another sect of theists. Both are sects of theists. You missed my point, and missed my point... and I made no mention of 'living with another' Theist was the original word so I utilized it in lieu of 'religion' copying almost exactly the original quote... I was hoping most would forgive the distinction and not bog down in semantics. Both are Hindu, the same religion. Both are Hindu, less likely to be offended, radicalized, and violent. THIRD, they are the exception. Catholics, Baptists, JW are constantly at odds on this board alone. I missed your point because you presented it poorly. Sect is not interchangeable term for religions unless one explicitly makes the distinction. And you did intend for something like Catholics-protestant divide as you mentioned in 3rd point. If you wanted to ask can people of one theistic religion live in mutual respect with people of another theistic religion then you could have said so. In that case, yes, Hindus live in mutual respect with Zoroastrians all the time in India. While there was some divide with Sikhs from 1960-1984 period, that is also over for most part. Hindus attend Sikh temples all the time and Sikhs follow many Hindu customs.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Apr 11, 2017 14:57:57 GMT
www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/08/varieties-atheism"Can theists and atheists live together in any sort of mutual respect? That is far more than an academic debating point. Throughout history, theocrats have punished dissidents who reject the state religion. In the 20th century, atheist regimes subjected religion to bloody repression, and a few, like North Korea, still do. And in recent years, especially in the Islamic world, thee has been a resurgence in the persecution of those who reject the prevailing form of religion, or all religion. The rise in religious oppression is one of the factors that galvanized "new atheists" like the late Christopher Hitchens, who thought "religion poisons everything" .... but there is another form of cerebral atheism. John Gray ... is a strong advocate of the view that theism and atheism can coexist in freedom and a sort of amity." I'm reminded of a quote, from Hitchens, at this point: "“Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.” ( God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything)
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 11, 2017 14:59:46 GMT
Hitchens is a great example of the notion of perception is reality.
The truth is that perception is not factual and it's a good possibility that religious people being nice was just that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 14:59:48 GMT
You missed my point, and missed my point... and I made no mention of 'living with another' Theist was the original word so I utilized it in lieu of 'religion' copying almost exactly the original quote... I was hoping most would forgive the distinction and not bog down in semantics. Both are Hindu, the same religion. Both are Hindu, less likely to be offended, radicalized, and violent. THIRD, they are the exception. Catholics, Baptists, JW are constantly at odds on this board alone. I missed your point because you presented it poorly. 'k... you have a nice day
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 11, 2017 15:01:53 GMT
I missed your point because you presented it poorly. 'k... you have a nice day
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 11, 2017 15:12:26 GMT
www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/08/varieties-atheism"Can theists and atheists live together in any sort of mutual respect? That is far more than an academic debating point. Throughout history, theocrats have punished dissidents who reject the state religion. In the 20th century, atheist regimes subjected religion to bloody repression, and a few, like North Korea, still do. And in recent years, especially in the Islamic world, thee has been a resurgence in the persecution of those who reject the prevailing form of religion, or all religion. The rise in religious oppression is one of the factors that galvanized "new atheists" like the late Christopher Hitchens, who thought "religion poisons everything" .... but there is another form of cerebral atheism. John Gray ... is a strong advocate of the view that theism and atheism can coexist in freedom and a sort of amity."
This is what I'm talking about. You see, this is the problem. Theists expect to be given automatic respect, when for any other idea, respect has to be earned. And the only reason theists think they get a pass, is because they've controlled the world for much of it's history and aren't used to being questioned. They ask for respect, not because they can justify their beliefs, but because they don't want to. They just want to have them. If you believed anything else on that basis, you'd be laughed at, and rightfully so, and I see no reason that the rules should be different for religion so much so that it be given respect it clearly hasn't earned.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 11, 2017 15:51:35 GMT
www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/08/varieties-atheism"Can theists and atheists live together in any sort of mutual respect? That is far more than an academic debating point. Throughout history, theocrats have punished dissidents who reject the state religion. In the 20th century, atheist regimes subjected religion to bloody repression, and a few, like North Korea, still do. And in recent years, especially in the Islamic world, thee has been a resurgence in the persecution of those who reject the prevailing form of religion, or all religion. The rise in religious oppression is one of the factors that galvanized "new atheists" like the late Christopher Hitchens, who thought "religion poisons everything" .... but there is another form of cerebral atheism. John Gray ... is a strong advocate of the view that theism and atheism can coexist in freedom and a sort of amity." Regarding your topic. It can be handy to read U.S. Religious Landscape Study by Pew forum. Many theists and atheists already live with mutual respect for each other. The trend has been increasing in last few decades. One can hope that the trend will continue in the future too. If you do like I can come up with responses of certain questions that indicate why there are many theists who already live in mutual respect with atheists and vice versa. On message boards such as these, usually unrepresentative people of any group show up frequently. But with increased multiculturalism and better access to education there is a great chance that relationships between theists and atheists will continue to improve.
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