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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 30, 2019 14:29:57 GMT
Was simply explained away by some bullshit dialogue? What, too hard to incorporate it into the story? Did they just make this shit up as they went along?
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 30, 2019 14:33:38 GMT
Banner went from Age of Ultron into space, had some fun with Thor including being locked in as Hulk for months on end, returned only to face Thanos & freeze up.
I don't think there's much interesting Banner exposition I'd be entertained with in Age of Ultron's emotional send off, Ragnarok's partying, or hold on wait Thanos & every single Avenger we need more Banner psychology first.
If it's in a side comic sure, but Banner ceased being interesting on screen since forever.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 30, 2019 16:25:00 GMT
That bugged me. As well as the cg for Professor Hulk. It seemed off.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jun 30, 2019 18:36:40 GMT
Was simply explained away by some bullshit dialogue? What, too hard to incorporate it into the story? Did they just make this shit up as they went along? Yes, like all other MCU and DC films they make this up as they go along.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 20:06:08 GMT
It was one of the most bizarre twists in all of Endgame.
They make stuff up accordingly. In some ways, the MCU does plan the long game in ways WWE wishes they could, but then you have certain somebodies who ruin angles by getting by violating the wellness policy or almost hurting Randy Orton in the ring. The MCU can plan ahead way better, but even they do shit on the fly.
Case in point, I think Thanos as the big bad of the entire arc wasn't Joss Whedon's intention when he threw him in at the end of The Avengers. It's not a criticism but a statement of obviousness that of course they make shit up as they go along.
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Post by poutinep on Jun 30, 2019 20:12:49 GMT
"simply explained away by some bullshit dialogue?"
jesus did you even watch Age of Ultron, Thor: Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame?
Banner had a whole arc for this.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jul 1, 2019 13:12:57 GMT
Was simply explained away by some bullshit dialogue? What, too hard to incorporate it into the story? Did they just make this shit up as they went along? All fiction stories are made up.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 1, 2019 13:36:36 GMT
I have a feeling something got cut in the editing room somewhere. Hulk seems to have a story developed that just never got shown to the audience.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 1, 2019 13:56:48 GMT
As good as the Russo's have been for the MCU, the completely and utterly screwed up the Hulk. They did him dirty those last two movies.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 1, 2019 18:37:46 GMT
As good as the Russo's have been for the MCU, the completely and utterly screwed up the Hulk. They did him dirty those last two movies. I think they screwed a lot of the more powerful characters. They made Wanda look powerful but they completely removed her mind manipulation powers (and her accent). Vision they mostly just pushed to the sidelines both in CW and IW, and really nerfed him in IW. They made Thor look powerful in IW but they also made him dependent on a weapon again and removed most of the development he recieved as a character. And we all know what happened to him in Endgame. Then there's Hulk, who didn't show up in IW and was completely useless in Endgame. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 19:18:46 GMT
As good as the Russo's have been for the MCU, the completely and utterly screwed up the Hulk. They did him dirty those last two movies. I think they screwed a lot of the more powerful characters. They made Wanda look powerful but they completely removed her mind manipulation powers (and her accent). Vision they mostly just pushed to the sidelines both in CW and IW, and really nerfed him in IW. They made Thor look powerful in IW but they also made him dependent on a weapon again and removed most of the development he recieved as a character. And we all know what happened to him in Endgame. Then there's Hulk, who didn't show up in IW and was completely useless in Endgame. I liked Wanda's accent being gone. I thought it was tacky on arrival, I wish it'd happened sooner. Hulk on the other hand...I understand why they did what they did. Given the direction they took, it probably couldn't go any other way. He did snap back the missing half of all life, but I would have traded it all and let someone else do it so I can see OG angry Hulk smash one last time.
Watched The Avengers last night for fun. Every second Hulk was onscreen, my brain is repeating back to me this is what's missing from Endgame.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 1, 2019 19:56:48 GMT
I think they screwed a lot of the more powerful characters. They made Wanda look powerful but they completely removed her mind manipulation powers (and her accent). Vision they mostly just pushed to the sidelines both in CW and IW, and really nerfed him in IW. They made Thor look powerful in IW but they also made him dependent on a weapon again and removed most of the development he recieved as a character. And we all know what happened to him in Endgame. Then there's Hulk, who didn't show up in IW and was completely useless in Endgame. I liked Wanda's accent being gone. I thought it was tacky on arrival, I wish it'd happened sooner. Hulk on the other hand...I understand why they did what they did. Given the direction they took, it probably couldn't go any other way. He did snap back the missing half of all life, but I would have traded it all and let someone else do it so I can see OG angry Hulk smash one last time.
Watched The Avengers last night for fun. Every second Hulk was onscreen, my brain is repeating back to me this is what's missing from Endgame.
I understand the direction they went both with Hulk and Thor, I just wish they handled it better and with more respect. Like, ok, I get that they wanted Professor Hulk. So explain it properly and give him some badass scenes instead of just being a wall flower. Ok, I get they wanted a fat Thor. But at least give him a chance to redeem himself somewhere in the movie instead of being just a useless joke throughout.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 22:22:02 GMT
I liked Wanda's accent being gone. I thought it was tacky on arrival, I wish it'd happened sooner. Hulk on the other hand...I understand why they did what they did. Given the direction they took, it probably couldn't go any other way. He did snap back the missing half of all life, but I would have traded it all and let someone else do it so I can see OG angry Hulk smash one last time.
Watched The Avengers last night for fun. Every second Hulk was onscreen, my brain is repeating back to me this is what's missing from Endgame.
I understand the direction they went both with Hulk and Thor, I just wish they handled it better and with more respect. Like, ok, I get that they wanted Professor Hulk. So explain it properly and give him some badass scenes instead of just being a wall flower. Ok, I get they wanted a fat Thor. But at least give him a chance to redeem himself somewhere in the movie instead of being just a useless joke throughout. The scene with Thor and his mama was rather nice. That's the thing that throws me about some of the decisions in Endgame. Even the stuff I don't like is well defended, padded with the insurance of being so integral or making so much sense that they don't come across as superfluous.
When Thor was suiting up for the final battle, I was disappointed. I thought he'd be thin and rocking again, but he was still fat beneath his new armor and his beard turned into a braid. A not unattractive braid, but I thought the lightning was going to make him dapper and Godly again.
Hulk totally threw me. I don't even remember his explanation for how he accomplished merging the two. I thought maybe the snap killed Banner but not Hulk, I thought Thanos punched Hulk so hard that the two egos fused within the body...When I saw him in the diner, all I could think was what the fuck is this? I got used to it, but then leaving the theater, I thought what the fuck was that?
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Post by politicidal on Jul 2, 2019 15:35:46 GMT
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2019 15:51:21 GMT
The original Idea that was actually shot was to have Hulk and Banner Make up during the battle of Wakanda in Infinity War. They came together and formed Professor Hulk then. So much so they had to rework the CGI for when they went after Thanos in the beginning of Endgame and put Banner back in the Hulk Buster Armor. Instead of it being Professor Hulk.
The problem was having this huge cathartic and upbeat moment in the middle of the battle right before the Snap was too jarring. So they scrapped it. Reworked Banner/Hulkbuster cgi and moved the Professor Hulk transformation off screen during the 5 years. During that 5 years others things changed drastically Ronin probably being the biggest so it fit the story/pace better.
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